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Replying To BigJoe14: "One of the biggest problems I find with Kerry is the amount of ex Kerry players working in the media! You have all three O'Se's, Tomas, Daragh and Mark, Pat Spillane, Bomber Liston has a column, Mike Quirke does bits for Newstalk, Colm Cooper on RTE, Paul Galvin in the Irish Times, Dara O'Cinneade does media work, Aidan O'Mahony voices his opinion a bit, its a fairly long list and it cannot be helpful for Fitzmaurice who was teammates of most of these fellas, and is good friends and a brother in-law to some of them. You had all three O'Se's basically picking the team for him this week telling him to start Donaghy etc, if they have so much knowledge of what needs to be done why don't they put themselves forward for the job next time it comes up? I can guarantee you not one of them will. It just cannot be healthy to have so many of your own county men writing big articles about your own county every week in national newspapers!" The Healy Raes influence Eamonn Fitzmaurice's team selection too. Toney (Meath) - Posts: 298 - 23/07/2018 15:01:13 2125249 Link
Replying To BigJoe14: "One of the biggest problems I find with Kerry is the amount of ex Kerry players working in the media! You have all three O'Se's, Tomas, Daragh and Mark, Pat Spillane, Bomber Liston has a column, Mike Quirke does bits for Newstalk, Colm Cooper on RTE, Paul Galvin in the Irish Times, Dara O'Cinneade does media work, Aidan O'Mahony voices his opinion a bit, its a fairly long list and it cannot be helpful for Fitzmaurice who was teammates of most of these fellas, and is good friends and a brother in-law to some of them. You had all three O'Se's basically picking the team for him this week telling him to start Donaghy etc, if they have so much knowledge of what needs to be done why don't they put themselves forward for the job next time it comes up? I can guarantee you not one of them will. It just cannot be healthy to have so many of your own county men writing big articles about your own county every week in national newspapers!" Kerry people are naturally articulate and engaging and with a flair for the written and spoken word, both in Irish and English. Combine that with our brilliant history and tradition in Gaelic games and you can understand why media outlets want Kerry contributors. I'm sure I've insulted all the rest of you now with that statement but the truth hurts ;D TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/07/2018 15:04:14 2125253 Link
Replying To footballfirst: "Can't let that go unchallenged. Off the top of my head....... O'Connell with a text book tackle in the first half to win the ball cleanly (kind of tackle we coach the kids to make). Free in and point to O'Se Free for off the ball tackle giving Kerry a close in free. There was nothing in it - he did give Monaghan a similar one in the 2nd half so we can call this quits 2 Kerry lads collide on the sideline and Monaghan come away with he ball. Ref blows up play rightly to check if they are okay but then inexpicably throws the ball in. Kerry win it and work it down for a point The well documented handling on the ground by Walsh that was incorrectly blown for a free. Goal came directly from this. That's 3 referring mistakes that led directly to 5 points and I haven't even mentioned him bottling out of the Donaghy decision which was a red or nothing. Yellow is a cop out. Can you find me 5 points in the other direction ?" Get up the yard, Deegan may has well have pulled on a Monaghan jersey yesterday. In fairness to the Monaghan fans around me they knew well a lot of the free's he gave them were for nothing. If Donaghy's was a red card then I give up. Plus minutes later a Monaghan player does something identical and wasn't booked at all. It's also about time some of the Kerry management come out and have a pop at referees over their treatment of Donaghy. The guy can't buy a free for love nor money! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/07/2018 15:16:42 2125259 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Get up the yard, Deegan may has well have pulled on a Monaghan jersey yesterday. In fairness to the Monaghan fans around me they knew well a lot of the free's he gave them were for nothing. If Donaghy's was a red card then I give up. Plus minutes later a Monaghan player does something identical and wasn't booked at all. It's also about time some of the Kerry management come out and have a pop at referees over their treatment of Donaghy. The guy can't buy a free for love nor money!" Don't know what game you were watching but it must have been through Green and gold glasses. Ref was decent but got a call each badly wrong on both sides! BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 23/07/2018 15:42:25 2125277 Link
Replying To BigJohn.6_8: "Don't know what game you were watching but it must have been through Green and gold glasses. Ref was decent but got a call each badly wrong on both sides!" Your actually having a laugh, the consensus on the SG panel was that most of the tight calls went against us. The Monaghan lads around me felt the same, We got very few favours from the ref which infairness we wouldn't expect away from home. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 23/07/2018 15:51:41 2125283 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Get up the yard, Deegan may has well have pulled on a Monaghan jersey yesterday. In fairness to the Monaghan fans around me they knew well a lot of the free's he gave them were for nothing. If Donaghy's was a red card then I give up. Plus minutes later a Monaghan player does something identical and wasn't booked at all. It's also about time some of the Kerry management come out and have a pop at referees over their treatment of Donaghy. The guy can't buy a free for love nor money!" i see you haven't found the 5 point swing that i asked for. I gave you 3 incidents that weren't just bad decisions - they were incorrect decisions and they mattered. Donaghy wasn't sent off so its a moot point. He could have been though - we've all seen people sent off for a lot less and no the Monaghan incident wasn't remotely comparable never mind identical (as you called it). As regards the treatment of Donaghy i think its fair to say he comes out on the right side more often than not. He gives as good as he gets and he did win frees yesterday. Finally i wouldn't pay a blind bit of notice of the Sunday game coverage. Its woeful. Brolly talks shte and won't let anyone else get a word in. They gave the keeper MOTM and put up a picture of McManus. It was amatuer hour last night footballfirst (Dublin)* - Posts: 48 - 23/07/2018 16:18:19 2125295 Link
The critical decision against Walshe that led to Kerrys goal was a wrong call and I didn't hear Tomas O'Se bleating about that. blueblood (Monaghan) - Posts: 73 - 23/07/2018 16:19:02 2125296 Link
Replying To westkerry: "Your actually having a laugh, the consensus on the SG panel was that most of the tight calls went against us. The Monaghan lads around me felt the same, We got very few favours from the ref which infairness we wouldn't expect away from home." The panel 50% composed of a Kerryman and one composed of a publicity seeking Derryman. Hardly objective.... PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 23/07/2018 17:03:07 2125310 Link
Replying To footballfirst: "i see you haven't found the 5 point swing that i asked for. I gave you 3 incidents that weren't just bad decisions - they were incorrect decisions and they mattered. Donaghy wasn't sent off so its a moot point. He could have been though - we've all seen people sent off for a lot less and no the Monaghan incident wasn't remotely comparable never mind identical (as you called it). As regards the treatment of Donaghy i think its fair to say he comes out on the right side more often than not. He gives as good as he gets and he did win frees yesterday. Finally i wouldn't pay a blind bit of notice of the Sunday game coverage. Its woeful. Brolly talks shte and won't let anyone else get a word in. They gave the keeper MOTM and put up a picture of McManus. It was amatuer hour last night" Most opposing fans in my experience dislike Donaghy and I think this effects the analysis of incidents involving him. If you think he gets a fair shake then your mistasken big guys like him rarely get frees that other smaller players would get. You asked for 5 points, I'll give you a few. 1 Donaghy fouled final minutes of the game his man basically has both his arms wrapped around him. No free given. 2 Shanahan had a free given against him for fouling McManus of the ball, never a free no holding at all. Ciaran Whelan was basically laughs at it after. 3 Brian O Beaglaoich free givern against him on the endline after a missed opportunity for apparant push in the back? Free given infront of posts, No push what so ever. 5 Murphy for over carrying, if it was by god it's marginal and you see lads like Kev Mac get away with it frequently. 5 The constant introduction of additional football's to slow the game, At some points there was 3 balls amazingly finding there way onto the field. Decisions go for and against you but if you won't let other people's points go unchallenged as you eloquently put it then do it with a bit of balance. westkerry (Kerry)* - Posts: 1250 - 23/07/2018 17:15:16 2125317 Link
Replying To PearseBro: "The panel 50% composed of a Kerryman and one composed of a publicity seeking Derryman. Hardly objective...." The live panel, A Meath man, A Mayo man and a Dub. Watch it again. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 23/07/2018 17:16:11 2125318 Link
I hate to see such pressure on young shoulders but Clifford hasn't let it affect him. He is an amazing talent galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 23/07/2018 17:58:08 2125340 Link
Cliffords goal should have been disallowed as Kieran Donaghy was lying in the square before the ball left Cliffords boot. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 23/07/2018 18:25:30 2125350 Link
Replying To shaggylegend: "Cliffords goal should have been disallowed as Kieran Donaghy was lying in the square before the ball left Cliffords boot." Hahaha He probably was since he was being fouled constantly. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 23/07/2018 18:44:38 2125357 Link
Although Kerry got out of jail yesterday, I dont think that Monaghan can have any complaints about the way Kerry stuck to their task and never give up. The ref made some poor calls yesterday, probably erring on the home town crowd. It wasn't all bad decisions against Kerry though, he made a few daft ones and a critical one at the end that led to the Kerry goal. But this is not Kerry's fault. They will not stop in mid stride and ask the ref if they are over carrying the ball, fouling their men etc. That is the ref's job. Ditto Monaghan. Monaghan have still their destiny in their own hands. I am not sure if they can go and win in Galway, but 2 weeks should sort out their heads so they will have no hangover from Clones yesterday. Asume that Kerry will hockey Kildare. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 23/07/2018 18:56:51 2125363 Link
At the end of the day Monaghan had that game won but couldn't put Kerry away, Kerry won the second half by 4 points, not bad going for a young team playing away from home in a cauldron like Clones, Monaghan are an experienced team with some great players but they just don't have that x factor needed to win the big games, Kerry would do much better against the Dubs in a semi final and I think the Dubs would much rather play Monaghan in the open spaces at home in Croker, Kerry are never beaten till the final whistle, ask any Mayo man. Great game and thank God the super 8's have come to life, big drama ahead in Salthill and Ballybofey. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 23/07/2018 19:50:28 2125373 Link
Replying To westkerry: "Most opposing fans in my experience dislike Donaghy and I think this effects the analysis of incidents involving him. If you think he gets a fair shake then your mistasken big guys like him rarely get frees that other smaller players would get. You asked for 5 points, I'll give you a few. 1 Donaghy fouled final minutes of the game his man basically has both his arms wrapped around him. No free given. 2 Shanahan had a free given against him for fouling McManus of the ball, never a free no holding at all. Ciaran Whelan was basically laughs at it after. 3 Brian O Beaglaoich free givern against him on the endline after a missed opportunity for apparant push in the back? Free given infront of posts, No push what so ever. 5 Murphy for over carrying, if it was by god it's marginal and you see lads like Kev Mac get away with it frequently. 5 The constant introduction of additional football's to slow the game, At some points there was 3 balls amazingly finding there way onto the field. Decisions go for and against you but if you won't let other people's points go unchallenged as you eloquently put it then do it with a bit of balance." With respect I replied to the original to provide that very balance. This could go on all evening so i'll leave it after this 1. Don't agree - both were at it all day. 2. Already gave you that. It balanced out a similar phantom foul given to kerry in the first half 3. Don't remember so i'll concede it 4. Harsh but i thought he did over carry. For what its worth I'd love to see a crack down on it. Its even worse in hurling 5. Don't think you can blame the ref for that. It happened at that end throughout the match. The umpires didn't bother trying to help either footballfirst (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 23/07/2018 19:50:50 2125374 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Kerry once again undone by a referee. Brolly in relation to Clifford: 'We saw what was happening to him off the ball... O Rourke: 'Most of the decisions all day went against Kerry.... Brolly: 'Tomás O Sé wanted to make Deegan man-of-the-match.... Senan O Connell agreeing with O Rourke's comment above said 'Monaghan bullied Kerry.. Donaghy was obviously fouled while somehow managing to get his right hand to the ball; had Clifford not scored would Deegan have given a penalty??" When did o'rourke say that kerry got all the decisions?you're listening to brolly and obviously didn't listen to the interview! What he said was that the ref gave a free to kerry leading up to the goal which shouldn't have been a free and he was correct! achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 23/07/2018 20:12:42 2125387 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "At the end of the day Monaghan had that game won but couldn't put Kerry away, Kerry won the second half by 4 points, not bad going for a young team playing away from home in a cauldron like Clones, Monaghan are an experienced team with some great players but they just don't have that x factor needed to win the big games, Kerry would do much better against the Dubs in a semi final and I think the Dubs would much rather play Monaghan in the open spaces at home in Croker, Kerry are never beaten till the final whistle, ask any Mayo man. Great game and thank God the super 8's have come to life, big drama ahead in Salthill and Ballybofey." You are presuming Dublin will top the group, if you were being mischievous, you could put in a dismal performance against the Rossies take a tanking and finish second. I'm sure that won't happen as it's not our way, but with games on a Saturday and the others on a Sunday the potential for gerrymandering your semi opponent is certainly there! ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 23/07/2018 20:19:00 2125390 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "You are presuming Dublin will top the group, if you were being mischievous, you could put in a dismal performance against the Rossies take a tanking and finish second. I'm sure that won't happen as it's not our way, but with games on a Saturday and the others on a Sunday the potential for gerrymandering your semi opponent is certainly there! ;)" Dublin can't not top the group. If they lose they'll have 4 points If tyrone win they'll have 4 but Dublin win head to head If donegal win they'll have 4 but Dublin win head to head Roscommon can only get to 2 points footballfirst (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 23/07/2018 20:38:04 2125400 Link
This will not be popular but it was certainly young Clifford that was doing most of the off the ball stuff. Right from before the throw-in he went straight to it. It took 30 minutes but eventually Deegan took the easy decision to hand out 2 yellows. Look at duffys jersey it was torn to shreds! he did dish out his fair share but was not the prime instigator. There were a lot of other poor calls against Monaghan too, oconnells clean tackle on obrien (point from free), peter crowleys clean lift off the ground and of course the widespread holding of monaghan players' jerseys on second half kickouts. We are no angels hey, but there were 2 teams in it yesterday Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1058 - 23/07/2018 20:45:56 2125404 Link