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We can take plenty of positives from the Dublin defeat.
- The young lads got a taste of what it takes in a big championship game in Croke Park
- When we had possession we looked dangerous going forward but we just couldn't get enough possession.
- Dublin are the first team to beat our kick outs so we at least we have anther day to work on it
- We didn't pick up any injuries or suspensions
- Most of our young players didn't play to their potential and I expect them all to be better this week.
I think Declan Bonner can learn plenty from the Dubs game. I think he should have given Cian Mulligan the start and give Stephen Mc Brearty more game time. I like Anthony Thompson but what have we to gain from bringing him on as a sub? Ciaran Gillespie is on the bench, give him game time. Give Niall O' Donnell 20 mins at No.11 and put Murphy in on the square for that time. O' Donnell has great accuracy in the kick pass.
Roscommon will be hurting and there will be serious doubt in their minds. We need to start well and keep the home crowd silenced. If we do then I think we can win.
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "Roscommon are a Div 1 team, they were promoted before the championship started and so are Div 1 as are Cavan." They both played in division 2 this year, so I don't think it's fair to say that Tyrone have been beating division 1 teams. The point was a fairly obvious one that sides playing in division 1 have been playing at a higher standard than those who played in division 2.
But, if you want to split hairs, we'll be happy to finish our Super 8 campaign by beating a division 2 team! ;)
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 16/07/2018 21:52:06
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if roscommon win, then tyrone have a handy match in ballybofey with effectively a dead rubber being played
mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 17/07/2018 00:27:42
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Roscommon need to put on a performance against Donegal if anything to restore pride after what many papers thought was an embarrassing showing against Tyrone.
Time to show they can handle the big stage .
Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 17/07/2018 07:14:38
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "If you think for one minute that Donegal would ever roll over for Tyrone in Ballybofey, dead rubber or not, the you really haven't been getting out much these last 10 years." We'll get the Dublin game over us first and see where that takes us, but as regards Donegal rolling over for us? Catch yourself on! There's no team Donegal want more to beat than us, hurting big time from last few years, and if it meant they dumped us out of the Championship, it would be better than winning the All-Ireland for them. Time enough for all that, let's worry about the Dubs first
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 17/07/2018 09:41:03
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Replying To mayotyroneman: "if roscommon win, then tyrone have a handy match in ballybofey with effectively a dead rubber being played" I disagree. If Donegal are out going into the last game Tyrone might rest players. It's been spoken about on other threads about the need to conserve energy for the potentially bigger games ahead. Plus we have a proud record in Ballybofey to protect. We wouldn't want to lose all three Super 8's games that's for sure, particularly against Tyrone.
It's all conjecture anyway until this weekend's results are known. I hope we can beat Roscommon and that Dublin do us a favour. If it sets up a showdown with Tyrone in Ballybofey for a place in the AI semi final it will be huge. I'd go so far as to say it'll be the biggest match ever to have been played in Ballybofey! I'm not allowing myself to think that far ahead though. There's a job in the Hyde to take care of first.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 17/07/2018 09:54:30
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Donegal by 5.
Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 17/07/2018 15:31:57
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I disagree. If Donegal are out going into the last game Tyrone might rest players. It's been spoken about on other threads about the need to conserve energy for the potentially bigger games ahead. Plus we have a proud record in Ballybofey to protect. We wouldn't want to lose all three Super 8's games that's for sure, particularly against Tyrone.
It's all conjecture anyway until this weekend's results are known. I hope we can beat Roscommon and that Dublin do us a favour. If it sets up a showdown with Tyrone in Ballybofey for a place in the AI semi final it will be huge. I'd go so far as to say it'll be the biggest match ever to have been played in Ballybofey! I'm not allowing myself to think that far ahead though. There's a job in the Hyde to take care of first." One other thing Lockjaw if results go our way this weekend and we set up that showdown with Tyrone, there is one other thing in Tyrone's favour, a draw in Ballybofey would do them, we could retain our unbeaten record in Mac Cumhail park but still get knocked out of the All Ireland series.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 17/07/2018 22:13:24
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Donegal should win this although Roscommon will be looking for a response on home soil, they were very disappointing v Tyrone, I didn't expect them to win that match but I didn't expect them to get destroyed either, some of their basics were atrocious. Donegal find themselves in the strange and indeed unfair position of not just needing a result in Roscommon but needing a Dublin win too or essentially their goose is cooked, the provincial champions, outside of Dublin, have really got a raw deal with their first two games being "away", no point relying on your last game at home if your already an afterthought of 2018, certainly a motion for change at Congress is required......
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 17/07/2018 22:59:39
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "One other thing Lockjaw if results go our way this weekend and we set up that showdown with Tyrone, there is one other thing in Tyrone's favour, a draw in Ballybofey would do them, we could retain our unbeaten record in Mac Cumhail park but still get knocked out of the All Ireland series." We cant even control the results of this weekend, we shouldn't bother look beyond. All that matters is that at the moment we are still in the reckoning for 2nd place. A win at the weekend would set up a great chance if Dublin beat tyrone in omagh. The dubs will be trying to do this for sure as they will want to finish top of the group and also possibly prefer to play us again later rather than tyrone (just my hunch on the thing, they prob will say they dont care who they meet).
If I were to call the match in Roscommon, I would say we have a great chance if we fly out of the blocks. If it is a slow burner, we could be in trouble.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 17/07/2018 23:32:28
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Replying To Donegalman: "We cant even control the results of this weekend, we shouldn't bother look beyond. All that matters is that at the moment we are still in the reckoning for 2nd place. A win at the weekend would set up a great chance if Dublin beat tyrone in omagh. The dubs will be trying to do this for sure as they will want to finish top of the group and also possibly prefer to play us again later rather than tyrone (just my hunch on the thing, they prob will say they dont care who they meet).
If I were to call the match in Roscommon, I would say we have a great chance if we fly out of the blocks. If it is a slow burner, we could be in trouble." That's true. If we can start the match all guns blazing and get ahead by 4 or 5 points early then you'd imagine Roscommon heads might drop and it might be comfortable enough. Getting that foothold will be easier said than done though because Roscommon people are a proud bunch and no way will they just let that happen without a fight, especially in the Hyde.
A draw with Tyrone at home certainly isn't beyond the realms of possibility. Both teams are evenly matched. While we have a great record in Ballybofey Paddy's loss could even the scales.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 18/07/2018 11:22:28
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I think we need to stop talking about Paddy's loss and focus on this being an opportunity for someone else (not Eamon Doherty) to get a chance. Most teams have to deal with injuries, Mayo had it in buckets this year and now Galway have lost a major player too.
The absence and constant talking about Paddy doesn't help the team moving forward and this will be the last time I mention it.
When I seen Eamon Doherty lining out against Dublin I knew we were sunk as it meant we were reverting to a defensive system and in doing so played into Dublins hands. Bonner needs to be braver if he wants to compete against the really top teams and Rory Gallagher being ultra cautious was the main reason we lost at least 1 Ulster title and possibly 2 in his tenure.
We played a more expansive game in the league and troubled the better teams in the division so I'd like to see him try that again v Roscommon and start as follows:
Patton
Mc Grath Mc Gee Gallagher
Ward Brennan Mc Hugh
Mc Fadden Mc Loone
Mc Brearty Langan Mulligan
Brennan Murphy Mc Glynn
I'd go for pace and running this week as it certainly troubled Roscommon last week!!
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 18/07/2018 18:56:34
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "I think we need to stop talking about Paddy's loss and focus on this being an opportunity for someone else (not Eamon Doherty) to get a chance. Most teams have to deal with injuries, Mayo had it in buckets this year and now Galway have lost a major player too.
The absence and constant talking about Paddy doesn't help the team moving forward and this will be the last time I mention it.
When I seen Eamon Doherty lining out against Dublin I knew we were sunk as it meant we were reverting to a defensive system and in doing so played into Dublins hands. Bonner needs to be braver if he wants to compete against the really top teams and Rory Gallagher being ultra cautious was the main reason we lost at least 1 Ulster title and possibly 2 in his tenure.
We played a more expansive game in the league and troubled the better teams in the division so I'd like to see him try that again v Roscommon and start as follows:
Patton
Mc Grath Mc Gee Gallagher
Ward Brennan Mc Hugh
Mc Fadden Mc Loone
Mc Brearty Langan Mulligan
Brennan Murphy Mc Glynn
I'd go for pace and running this week as it certainly troubled Roscommon last week!!" Drop Thompson? Very harsh he has been excellent bar maybe the Derry game. He was wrongly taken off at the weekend too (unless he was injured).
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 18/07/2018 20:01:03
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Replying To panamasam: "Drop Thompson? Very harsh he has been excellent bar maybe the Derry game. He was wrongly taken off at the weekend too (unless he was injured)." I'd agree, Thompson has been great but it's horses for courses and I think we need to run the ball more this week. It was a toss up between him and Langan but I feel Langan is more of a scoring threat.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 18/07/2018 20:39:18
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "I think we need to stop talking about Paddy's loss and focus on this being an opportunity for someone else (not Eamon Doherty) to get a chance. Most teams have to deal with injuries, Mayo had it in buckets this year and now Galway have lost a major player too.
The absence and constant talking about Paddy doesn't help the team moving forward and this will be the last time I mention it.
When I seen Eamon Doherty lining out against Dublin I knew we were sunk as it meant we were reverting to a defensive system and in doing so played into Dublins hands. Bonner needs to be braver if he wants to compete against the really top teams and Rory Gallagher being ultra cautious was the main reason we lost at least 1 Ulster title and possibly 2 in his tenure.
We played a more expansive game in the league and troubled the better teams in the division so I'd like to see him try that again v Roscommon and start as follows:
Patton
Mc Grath Mc Gee Gallagher
Ward Brennan Mc Hugh
Mc Fadden Mc Loone
Mc Brearty Langan Mulligan
Brennan Murphy Mc Glynn
I'd go for pace and running this week as it certainly troubled Roscommon last week!!" That's interesting, You've stated that we were reverting to a defensive system by bringing eamon Doherty in against dublin and now you want to play a back at corner forward!!! Is that a brave offensive move?
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 693 - 18/07/2018 21:43:51
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Thompson brothers .. Tulsk DNA in their genes .. Green/Yellow colours to be seen flying there whenever Donegal play. We could do with both lads along with Jigger's son if they are surplus to your needs.. We also lost a fine player in Des Newton to you many moons ago. Ciaran T kicked a superb point from distance on Saturday and was unlucky with another effort .. a good catcher as well.
Interesting team T.C. Abu though I wouldn't expect numbers 7, 14 and 15 to stay in those positions.
Inexperienced looking half forward line but very impressed by young Langan in Croker.
F. McGlynn must be one of the most elegant players of the last decade. I would be tempted to bring him back to number 5 and fill the forward position with Thompson/MacNialias . I understand some fans get frustrated with Ronan McN's work rate but he's very talented, helps out in midfield, so comfortable in possession with the vision to kick a defence splitting pass and well capable of scoring.
Anyway safe journey on Saturday and go easy on us.
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Replying To Curlew66: "Thompson brothers .. Tulsk DNA in their genes .. Green/Yellow colours to be seen flying there whenever Donegal play. We could do with both lads along with Jigger's son if they are surplus to your needs.. We also lost a fine player in Des Newton to you many moons ago. Ciaran T kicked a superb point from distance on Saturday and was unlucky with another effort .. a good catcher as well.
Interesting team T.C. Abu though I wouldn't expect numbers 7, 14 and 15 to stay in those positions.
Inexperienced looking half forward line but very impressed by young Langan in Croker.
F. McGlynn must be one of the most elegant players of the last decade. I would be tempted to bring him back to number 5 and fill the forward position with Thompson/MacNialias . I understand some fans get frustrated with Ronan McN's work rate but he's very talented, helps out in midfield, so comfortable in possession with the vision to kick a defence splitting pass and well capable of scoring.
Anyway safe journey on Saturday and go easy on us." Hi Curlew66:. Great post, you are well briefed and informed on Donegal and it's players. Enjoy the game. Go easy on us!
AudiMan (Donegal) - Posts: 648 - 18/07/2018 22:35:29
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You're welcome AudiMan. I have been sympathetic to Donegal in the past month due to the loss of your in form top scorer , having to play two AWAY matches and facing Roscommon in the one match we are likely to be competitive in. Thought your County Board's response in just flagging the lack of a level playing field but not making a huge issue of it was kinda classy.
By the way I've had a few calls from people in DnaG wishing to also attend your senior ladies match v Tipp in Castlerea @ 2pm ( not sure why it can't be a double header in the Hyde). My advice is to drive through Boyle and turn right just 200m past the town .. just where the main road turns sharp left .. take the R361 to Castlerea via Frenchpark (only26k). The main N60 Castlebar road takes you back to Roscommon via Ballymoe afterwards ( 30k journey). The detour to support your ladies team will only add 12k to your total journey and avoids the Boyle-Tulsk stretch which is the worst bit of road between Athlone and Derry.
Enjoy the day and don't forget to spend a few Euros when you're down here. ...
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "I think we need to stop talking about Paddy's loss and focus on this being an opportunity for someone else (not Eamon Doherty) to get a chance. Most teams have to deal with injuries, Mayo had it in buckets this year and now Galway have lost a major player too.
The absence and constant talking about Paddy doesn't help the team moving forward and this will be the last time I mention it.
When I seen Eamon Doherty lining out against Dublin I knew we were sunk as it meant we were reverting to a defensive system and in doing so played into Dublins hands. Bonner needs to be braver if he wants to compete against the really top teams and Rory Gallagher being ultra cautious was the main reason we lost at least 1 Ulster title and possibly 2 in his tenure.
We played a more expansive game in the league and troubled the better teams in the division so I'd like to see him try that again v Roscommon and start as follows:
Patton
Mc Grath Mc Gee Gallagher
Ward Brennan Mc Hugh
Mc Fadden Mc Loone
Mc Brearty Langan Mulligan
Brennan Murphy Mc Glynn
I'd go for pace and running this week as it certainly troubled Roscommon last week!!" Eamon doherty had a good game against Ciara'n Kilkenny last weekend he is our best man to man market. To curtail Kilkenny to one point and keep him quiet just showed how well he played. Another thingI hear Mc stay talking about how he'll have to change there style of play if they want to beat the big boys from being at the game tyrone played as they always do,sitting back and forcing turnovers and hitting teams on the break. We'll have to replicate this if we want a result on Saturday. Because if we take Roscommon on in a shootout we'll prob get beat. Roscommon from midfield up are excellent so it's a game we have to be patient in. Roscommon like to be let play football but they don't like the ulster style football.,.
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "That's interesting, You've stated that we were reverting to a defensive system by bringing eamon Doherty in against dublin and now you want to play a back at corner forward!!! Is that a brave offensive move?" Mc Glynn has played sweeper for us all championship. What number do you give the sweeper to? Enlighten me?
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 19/07/2018 18:11:41
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