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Anybody who wants clarification should visit the HSE website and their definition of abuse\ mental health issue.
Once again we have classic examples of county boards male or female ignoring the implementation of protocols and allowing certain individuals to behave with impunity.
Nobody should be allowed manage without being very clear on these guidelines. Jesus will we every get it??
northbouind (Galway) - Posts: 304 - 19/09/2018 15:05:28
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Very interesting to see arock completely ignore mesamis and the questions he asked ..
For me, from what I've heard from both sides, I feel the girls ought to be absolutely ashamed of their behaviour in how they have come out and publicly castigated the mayo set up and management and is totally disrespectful to the ladies who remained behind.
No evidence. No proof of anything they are saying, vilifying a guy in the media and won't go into detail but are alright with hanging him over the edge of the cliff and allowing rumours to start to the point where the guy has to defend himself.
All should have been kept in house .. feel so sorry for leahy. Hopefully he is fully vindicated and those mayo ladies never play for their county again
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 19/09/2018 15:16:54
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Replying To arock: ""honestly don't know what happened ". How about almost half the panel since it is such a critical part of your argument. Eh why did the county board punish one club and not the other? How come the team had a player liaison officer yet this officer had zero input by management and by the players? Players have a fundamental right to walk away if they wish for whatever reason they choose. If this was the work place the management would be sacked that is why I back the girls. The girls who chose to remain are not part of the conversation as they are playing, have no issues so why would they be a part of the conversation? People involved in the GAA seem to feel natural justice, fairness and the rule of law do not apply. This will be resolved in the courts." "Eh why did the county board punish one club and not the other? How come the team had a player liaison officer yet this officer had zero input by management and by the players? Players have a fundamental right to walk away if they wish for whatever reason they choose. "
We've been over this.
4 players walked away, 8 players did not - they were withdrawn by their club. That is why one club was punished and not any of the others. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
12 players stopped playing for Mayo, 26 did not. Not even a third of the panel. Get the facts fact right before you launch into your baseless arguments.
Finally, maybe listen to Peter Leahy's interview. Then you'd discover that the liaison officer had plenty of input.
Unstoppable123 (UK) - Posts: 14 - 19/09/2018 15:17:35
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Replying To arock: "They did maybe you missed it, in fact there is a very short podcast on Off the ball last night of a short small snippet played to County of problems a single player had who was speaking for the first time. Its a tough listen, the problems are compounded by a County board abusing their own rule in expelling a single club from all competition, players are entitled to leave a panel if they wish, to then have a county board take a rule like bringing the game into disrepute and expelling an entire club, thankfully the Connacht Board has seen some sense. Whole thing is a mess, always avoidable, but when good will breaks down I am afraid its a fight and reputations will be ruined by this no winners." I agree with you that expelling the club because their players didn't want to play for Mayo is wrong. The players aren't on contracts, there's no rule to say they must play for the county and if for any reason they don't want to then that's their prerogative. But again I go back to the matter of these allegations against Leahy. I didn't hear the Off The Ball podcast but i have heard quite a bit from the girls by now and I'm still in the dark about the specifics of the issue and what really happened. If this "mental abuse" is a player been given out to then nobody would be playing. The famous "hairdryer" treatment has been going on since sport began. If it's that something worse happened then let's hear it, get it out in the open and let's hear both sides fully. To be fair to Leahy he's kept it to one interview and defended himself as best he can but it's hard to put up a full defence when the case against you is all smoke and mirrors. You say the remaining players aren't part of the conversation but that's wrong, they very much are. They were there in the panel when this started, they are going through all this too but they chose to stay and play on. You can't dismiss this just because they are going about their business and are not on the airwaves. Their decision to stay in the squad does it's own talking. The girls who have left are playing their hand pretty poorly, it seems they have very little support and that's because nobody really seems to know exactly their exact issue/issues. Mayo ladies football is much the poorer for all of this though.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 19/09/2018 15:26:56
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Replying To arock: ""honestly don't know what happened ". How about almost half the panel since it is such a critical part of your argument. Eh why did the county board punish one club and not the other? How come the team had a player liaison officer yet this officer had zero input by management and by the players? Players have a fundamental right to walk away if they wish for whatever reason they choose. If this was the work place the management would be sacked that is why I back the girls. The girls who chose to remain are not part of the conversation as they are playing, have no issues so why would they be a part of the conversation? People involved in the GAA seem to feel natural justice, fairness and the rule of law do not apply. This will be resolved in the courts." So again,maths is still a problem with you,12 players of a panel,not half, maybe a third and again majority from one club,if you know something we don't,then fair enough but facts are facts,the majority of the panel who stayed are more important, cause they tell us the real story.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 19/09/2018 15:34:01
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Replying To arock: "Unsafe was perfectly spelt out last night by Sarah Tierney - unsafe has been replaced with mental abuse so it is now taking a very serious turn. Now we as observers can we say that is rubbish, but yet all sporting bodies are supposed to hold this issue in the highest regard. So are we now playing down these concerns and accusations? So is what she says mental abuse? I am not qualified and you can be absolutely certain the Mayo County board is not. Because effectively the GAA/LGFA/Camogie associations all have signed up to specific protocols is the Mayo County Board following them? I would urge anyone unsure to listen specifically to what Sarah Tierney is saying. This is getting serious someones reputation is going to be in tatters if this is not taken out of the public domain and soon." Honestly are you looking at the same thing everyone else is,what Sarah said was she couldn't tell the manager what to do anymore,that she was a squad player and players needed to earn their place and she wasn't happy with that,that the management wanted players to earn their place,thank God our hurling management in limerick didn't pick the players from the best club in limerick but picked a panel and left all egos at the door and just done what was right for the team,maybe those mayo players will learn it's about the team not yourself.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 19/09/2018 15:41:46
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Replying To arock: "Unsafe was perfectly spelt out last night by Sarah Tierney - unsafe has been replaced with mental abuse so it is now taking a very serious turn. Now we as observers can we say that is rubbish, but yet all sporting bodies are supposed to hold this issue in the highest regard. So are we now playing down these concerns and accusations? So is what she says mental abuse? I am not qualified and you can be absolutely certain the Mayo County board is not. Because effectively the GAA/LGFA/Camogie associations all have signed up to specific protocols is the Mayo County Board following them? I would urge anyone unsure to listen specifically to what Sarah Tierney is saying. This is getting serious someones reputation is going to be in tatters if this is not taken out of the public domain and soon." I would like to take issue with this line in your comment:
"This is getting serious someones reputation is going to be in tatters if this is not taken out of the public domain and soon."
You certainly dont seem to have an issue with Leahy's reputation anyway. Do you not realise that this is already happening by the Carnacon players alluding to the fact that Leahy has inflicted this mental abuse and unsafe environment upon them? Or is Leahy not entitled to the same protection to his reputation in your opinion? It seems not.
Meridian (Westmeath) - Posts: 601 - 19/09/2018 15:59:01
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Replying To BigJoe14: "Off The Balls coverage of this story has been nothing short of a disgrace, however I am not surprised given the people involved. They have covered one side, and one side only to this story. They actually had the cheek to announce on air that they have offered Peter Leahy a opportunity to come on air and give his side of the story, when he had already done so a week previously but they chose to ignore it and pretend it didn't happen because of who the interview was conducted by and it also didn't suit there Cora love in agenda. Cora Staunton is on every GAA related item on that show at this stage and they are clearly siding with her and idolize her. Peter Leahy has given full detailed explanations to a proper sports journalist, something these girls have not done. I have never been more embarrassed for people listening to a piece of audio as I did yesterday. This whole episode is a damming indictment of society in 2018 unfortunately where you cant say anything to anyone or as much as say boo to anyone." This is comfortably the best post/ comment regarding this whole thing. Off the Ball should be called out more for their nonsense journalism on things like this .
Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 19/09/2018 16:10:45
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Why won't these players come out and say exactly what they deem a "unsafe and toxic" environment? Why all the vague accusations and allegations? If they believe they have such a strong case, come out and state it clearly. The press conference looked a bit pathetic with two journalists sitting there,maybe there were more off camera but it looked a bit ridiculous. Having a press conference to regurgitate the same unspecified allegations was a waste of everyone's time. Can't believe RTE even put it on the news. If you want public support behind you, you have to give them the full story. Whatever the outcome either these players are finished playing for Mayo or Leahy will have to go because they can never work together again after this. Doesn't sound like Leahy is going anywhere. The whole thing is a fiasco.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 766 - 19/09/2018 12:34:36 I will assume they wont define in the press what is the unsafe and toxic environment as it isnt of anyones concern in particular if it concerns players personal issues potentially.
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 19/09/2018 16:58:40
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "Why won't these players come out and say exactly what they deem a "unsafe and toxic" environment? Why all the vague accusations and allegations? If they believe they have such a strong case, come out and state it clearly. The press conference looked a bit pathetic with two journalists sitting there,maybe there were more off camera but it looked a bit ridiculous. Having a press conference to regurgitate the same unspecified allegations was a waste of everyone's time. Can't believe RTE even put it on the news. If you want public support behind you, you have to give them the full story. Whatever the outcome either these players are finished playing for Mayo or Leahy will have to go because they can never work together again after this. Doesn't sound like Leahy is going anywhere. The whole thing is a fiasco.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 766 - 19/09/2018 12:34:36 I will assume they wont define in the press what is the unsafe and toxic environment as it isnt of anyones concern in particular if it concerns players personal issues potentially." Then why call a press conference if you aren't going to tell the press anything new? Waste of time on all fronts. They can't just allege something then refuse to give the facts. They have had plenty of chances by now and Leahy deserves to have his good name preserved unless they are willing to substantiate their claims.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 19/09/2018 17:16:27
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Replying To waynoI: "Very interesting to see arock completely ignore mesamis and the questions he asked ..
For me, from what I've heard from both sides, I feel the girls ought to be absolutely ashamed of their behaviour in how they have come out and publicly castigated the mayo set up and management and is totally disrespectful to the ladies who remained behind.
No evidence. No proof of anything they are saying, vilifying a guy in the media and won't go into detail but are alright with hanging him over the edge of the cliff and allowing rumours to start to the point where the guy has to defend himself.
All should have been kept in house .. feel so sorry for leahy. Hopefully he is fully vindicated and those mayo ladies never play for their county again" Yeah he can't answer them because he seems to think it's a black and white issue.
It boils down to this, a cohort of players dislike the managers way of doing things, perhaps rightly so we don't really know. That cohort attempts to have the manager removed but the majority of the players back the manager.
It has descended into a face afterwards though with the cohort continuing to insinuate that the manager is unfit to fulfil his role and endangering the mental health of the players in the process.
Those players are perfectly entitled to not play and the Mayo LGFA made an error by removing Carnacon from Championship imo.
Personally I'd back the majority of the players. Posters like arock don't back the decision of the players for some reason and think that the majority of the Mayo players are unable to judge for themselves if their team environment is toxic or not.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 19/09/2018 17:27:35
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "Why won't these players come out and say exactly what they deem a "unsafe and toxic" environment? Why all the vague accusations and allegations? If they believe they have such a strong case, come out and state it clearly. The press conference looked a bit pathetic with two journalists sitting there,maybe there were more off camera but it looked a bit ridiculous. Having a press conference to regurgitate the same unspecified allegations was a waste of everyone's time. Can't believe RTE even put it on the news. If you want public support behind you, you have to give them the full story. Whatever the outcome either these players are finished playing for Mayo or Leahy will have to go because they can never work together again after this. Doesn't sound like Leahy is going anywhere. The whole thing is a fiasco.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 766 - 19/09/2018 12:34:36 I will assume they wont define in the press what is the unsafe and toxic environment as it isnt of anyones concern in particular if it concerns players personal issues potentially." If it walks like a duck , quacks like a duck it's probably a duck , face the obvious without facts this smells , girls have either taken bad advice from day one or have backed themselves into a corner and don't know how to get out
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/09/2018 17:44:47
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Replying To kildare73: " Replying To DonaldDuck: "Why won't these players come out and say exactly what they deem a "unsafe and toxic" environment? Why all the vague accusations and allegations? If they believe they have such a strong case, come out and state it clearly. The press conference looked a bit pathetic with two journalists sitting there,maybe there were more off camera but it looked a bit ridiculous. Having a press conference to regurgitate the same unspecified allegations was a waste of everyone's time. Can't believe RTE even put it on the news. If you want public support behind you, you have to give them the full story. Whatever the outcome either these players are finished playing for Mayo or Leahy will have to go because they can never work together again after this. Doesn't sound like Leahy is going anywhere. The whole thing is a fiasco.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 766 - 19/09/2018 12:34:36 I will assume they wont define in the press what is the unsafe and toxic environment as it isnt of anyones concern in particular if it concerns players personal issues potentially." Then why call a press conference if you aren't going to tell the press anything new? Waste of time on all fronts. They can't just allege something then refuse to give the facts. They have had plenty of chances by now and Leahy deserves to have his good name preserved unless they are willing to substantiate their claims."
galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 19/09/2018 17:49:23
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Using the word "unsafe" in the context of a male coach training female or underage teams has very deliberate connotations. I don't know or care if Peter Leahy is the worst football coach ever put on God's green earth, but throwing hand grenades like "unsafe" around the place with very weak and flimsy examples to back it up, is designed to destroy a man's reputation.
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Huge contrast in the way the media and public are reacting to the aggrieved players in Mayo, and the way they dealt with a similar case involving a professional player in another code in recent weeks. That case according to media reports centred around a coach berating a player for sitting out a training session. Front page headlines in some national papers called for the coach to step down. The only difference I can see is that the mayo case involves a male manager and female players.
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How does the Mayo Ladies County Board have the power to individually suspend 8 players for not playing with the county team??
Sure if that was the case there could be any number of players suspended for not committing every year?
A bit authoritarian and abuse of power if you ask me!
Maybe someone can shed some light?
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 20/09/2018 09:30:17
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Replying To Damothedub: " Replying To DonaldDuck: "Why won't these players come out and say exactly what they deem a "unsafe and toxic" environment? Why all the vague accusations and allegations? If they believe they have such a strong case, come out and state it clearly. The press conference looked a bit pathetic with two journalists sitting there,maybe there were more off camera but it looked a bit ridiculous. Having a press conference to regurgitate the same unspecified allegations was a waste of everyone's time. Can't believe RTE even put it on the news. If you want public support behind you, you have to give them the full story. Whatever the outcome either these players are finished playing for Mayo or Leahy will have to go because they can never work together again after this. Doesn't sound like Leahy is going anywhere. The whole thing is a fiasco.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 766 - 19/09/2018 12:34:36 I will assume they wont define in the press what is the unsafe and toxic environment as it isnt of anyones concern in particular if it concerns players personal issues potentially." If it walks like a duck , quacks like a duck it's probably a duck , face the obvious without facts this smells , girls have either taken bad advice from day one or have backed themselves into a corner and don't know how to get out"
Players should stand up if something is wrong but in this case nothing way siad by the players to support that.
If they don't want to play for mayo then don't.
ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 20/09/2018 09:51:05
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "How does the Mayo Ladies County Board have the power to individually suspend 8 players for not playing with the county team??
Sure if that was the case there could be any number of players suspended for not committing every year?
A bit authoritarian and abuse of power if you ask me!
Maybe someone can shed some light?" It is covered specifically in their rule book. A player can be suspended for refusing to play for any county team. Sounds a bit harsh, i agree.
martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 499 - 20/09/2018 10:15:06
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Replying To martinjoe: "It is covered specifically in their rule book. A player can be suspended for refusing to play for any county team. Sounds a bit harsh, i agree." I can't imagine that being an credible rule. It's draconian and goes against the participation ethos of the GAA. I don't think Joe Brolly would have much of a problem arguing that one in court.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 20/09/2018 10:48:01
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Replying To martinjoe: "Huge contrast in the way the media and public are reacting to the aggrieved players in Mayo, and the way they dealt with a similar case involving a professional player in another code in recent weeks. That case according to media reports centred around a coach berating a player for sitting out a training session. Front page headlines in some national papers called for the coach to step down. The only difference I can see is that the mayo case involves a male manager and female players." Do you think this deserves front page headlines in national papers ?
what is it about Mayo folks with their obsession for publicity and attention ?
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