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Tomas O'Se raised the issue in relation to Cork but it could certainly be applied to most counties.
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I know a senior club official from a Donegal club told me they do not encourage hurling in the club. He said it was simply a matter of resources - they did not have the player numbers or other resources to compete in both codes so they just focussed on football. He liked hurling and watched it but the club couldnt do both. It was hard to argue against and im sure happens in reverse in hurling counties. It clearly also happens at county board level in most counties.
Having two smaller but separate county boards would improve both codes. It would allow both codes to flourish with both codes being facilitated and organised by those with only their best interests.
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have long argued for this in wexford,i dont think the football clubs are mobilised enough
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I would go as far as to say separate organisations. I find it odd that hurling and football are still governed by one body. The GAA is more focused on football because it is the number sport in most counties.
I would like to see a HAA for hurling.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 09/07/2018 16:07:35
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Separate Couny Boards - Football & Hurling?
Tomas O'Se raised the issue in relation to Cork but it could certainly be applied to most counties.
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I know a senior club official from a Donegal club told me they do not encourage hurling in the club. He said it was simply a matter of resources - they did not have the player numbers or other resources to compete in both codes so they just focussed on football. He liked hurling and watched it but the club couldnt do both. It was hard to argue against and im sure happens in reverse in hurling counties. It clearly also happens at county board level in most counties.
Having two smaller but separate county boards would improve both codes. It would allow both codes to flourish with both codes being facilitated and organised by those with only their best interests.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4393 - 09/07/2018 13:54:06 Where do you find all the extra people required to run this extra board and all the other roles relevant? Smaller but separate means you need more people and how would it allow both codes to be facilitated? You would have more bureaucracy involved to make decisions across two different organisations so how is that better? Making decisions that would affect both organisations would be more difficult as well.
I would go as far as to say separate organisations. I find it odd that hurling and football are still governed by one body. The GAA is more focused on football because it is the number sport in most counties.
I would like to see a HAA for hurling.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2194 - 09/07/2018 16:07:35What would purpose be. Where do you find the extra officials for each organisation. You would have plenty of new roles created which would be a waste of resources as there would now be 2 people doing the work that 1 is more than capable of doing now
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 09/07/2018 16:55:54
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Separate Couny Boards - Football & Hurling?
Tomas O'Se raised the issue in relation to Cork but it could certainly be applied to most counties.
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I know a senior club official from a Donegal club told me they do not encourage hurling in the club. He said it was simply a matter of resources - they did not have the player numbers or other resources to compete in both codes so they just focussed on football. He liked hurling and watched it but the club couldnt do both. It was hard to argue against and im sure happens in reverse in hurling counties. It clearly also happens at county board level in most counties.
Having two smaller but separate county boards would improve both codes. It would allow both codes to flourish with both codes being facilitated and organised by those with only their best interests.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4393 - 09/07/2018 13:54:06 Where do you find all the extra people required to run this extra board and all the other roles relevant? Smaller but separate means you need more people and how would it allow both codes to be facilitated? You would have more bureaucracy involved to make decisions across two different organisations so how is that better? Making decisions that would affect both organisations would be more difficult as well.
I would go as far as to say separate organisations. I find it odd that hurling and football are still governed by one body. The GAA is more focused on football because it is the number sport in most counties.
I would like to see a HAA for hurling.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2194 - 09/07/2018 16:07:35What would purpose be. Where do you find the extra officials for each organisation. You would have plenty of new roles created which would be a waste of resources as there would now be 2 people doing the work that 1 is more than capable of doing now
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I would go as far as to say separate organisations. I find it odd that hurling and football are still governed by one body. The GAA is more focused on football because it is the number sport in most counties.
I would like to see a HAA for hurling." 100% agree with you. We used to have separate hurling and football boards in Galway until CP decreed otherwise. It works OK in Galway because the county is pretty much evenly split between hurling and football but in counties where one sport dominates the other sport is neglected/stifled when there's only one county board. I have a friend who is involved in hurling in a football dominated county and every effort is made in that county to stop hurling from gaining any kind of traction. Every possible obstacle is put in the way of its development.
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "Separate Couny Boards - Football & Hurling?
Tomas O'Se raised the issue in relation to Cork but it could certainly be applied to most counties.
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I know a senior club official from a Donegal club told me they do not encourage hurling in the club. He said it was simply a matter of resources - they did not have the player numbers or other resources to compete in both codes so they just focussed on football. He liked hurling and watched it but the club couldnt do both. It was hard to argue against and im sure happens in reverse in hurling counties. It clearly also happens at county board level in most counties.
Having two smaller but separate county boards would improve both codes. It would allow both codes to flourish with both codes being facilitated and organised by those with only their best interests.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4393 - 09/07/2018 13:54:06 Where do you find all the extra people required to run this extra board and all the other roles relevant? Smaller but separate means you need more people and how would it allow both codes to be facilitated? You would have more bureaucracy involved to make decisions across two different organisations so how is that better? Making decisions that would affect both organisations would be more difficult as well.
I would go as far as to say separate organisations. I find it odd that hurling and football are still governed by one body. The GAA is more focused on football because it is the number sport in most counties.
I would like to see a HAA for hurling.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2194 - 09/07/2018 16:07:35What would purpose be. Where do you find the extra officials for each organisation. You would have plenty of new roles created which would be a waste of resources as there would now be 2 people doing the work that 1 is more than capable of doing now" I would argue Ormond that one person is currently not capable of doing the job of 2 because they are not allowed to. They are directing all resources/promotion etc toward the code the county is more successful at to the clear detriment of the other code. Two separate boards would push their code and facilitate anyone who wants to play
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 09/07/2018 17:44:01
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Read Anthony Dalys book when with Dublin and while the small ball would allways play second fiddle, the likes of John Costello more than tried his best to accommodate, by and large seems to work OK in Dublin
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 09/07/2018 18:15:21
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It wouldn't work in Dublin the codes are too integrated and while there are still some archaic Football/Hurling only clubs most have embraced both codes and indeed genders. Hurling and football is well structured and care is usually taken of duel players etc etc There are issues but nothing that would warrant a separate county board. The nightmare scenario of separate county boards is well known and seen in Dublin on the ladies side with conflicting fixtures, fixtures played same weekend you don't want or need that chaos. Something else is at work in Cork to detriment of Football that isn't present in Dublin.
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Welcome back Ormondbannerman.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/07/2018 19:23:54
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I would argue Ormond that one person is currently not capable of doing the job of 2 because they are not allowed to. They are directing all resources/promotion etc toward the code the county is more successful at to the clear detriment of the other code. Two separate boards would push their code and facilitate anyone who wants to play
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4394 - 09/07/2018 17:44:01
I would argue that separate governing bodies essentially managing each sport would be a waste of resources. Each sport would suffer in counties where both sports are relatively strong or if one sport gets less funding/support than the other then separate bodies would only mean even less support for the weaker/second sport so how is that better.
The GAA already facilitates anyone who wants to play.
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 09/07/2018 19:47:10
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Welcome back Ormond.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3614 - 09/07/2018 19:23:54 never went away
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 09/07/2018 19:47:56
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I would prefer to hear an opinion come from someone that cares about both codes not TOS who cleraly has an agenda.
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 09/07/2018 21:37:03
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Replying To arock: "It wouldn't work in Dublin the codes are too integrated and while there are still some archaic Football/Hurling only clubs most have embraced both codes and indeed genders. Hurling and football is well structured and care is usually taken of duel players etc etc There are issues but nothing that would warrant a separate county board. The nightmare scenario of separate county boards is well known and seen in Dublin on the ladies side with conflicting fixtures, fixtures played same weekend you don't want or need that chaos. Something else is at work in Cork to detriment of Football that isn't present in Dublin." Totally agree
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/07/2018 00:11:03
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I'm not so sure it would work as two separate bodies, in theory it might sound good but there are other considerations such as club fixtures to take into account having two different bodies making these would lead to clashing of fixtures where as now the fixture list is designed so as to give each sport their own time even if that time is slanted in favour of one sport. If promotion of the weaker code whatever that may be in a county is the issue then maybe a better way to go about it would be to introduce some rules where a county had to set aside a certain number of weeks for each sport as a minimum requirement, this would ensure both sports were equally promoted, also financing of both codes should be equal in each county, this would create a more even playing field within counties for both sports.
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1591 - 10/07/2018 07:10:30
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Having 2 county boards is an utter disaster.
Galway had 2 separate boards up until recently and it was a disaster,
Fixture Uncertainty was the big problem.
Plus with galway looking to be ever improving in both codes I think the proof is in that
TribalThing (Galway) - Posts: 74 - 10/07/2018 08:21:22
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "100% agree with you. We used to have separate hurling and football boards in Galway until CP decreed otherwise. It works OK in Galway because the county is pretty much evenly split between hurling and football but in counties where one sport dominates the other sport is neglected/stifled when there's only one county board. I have a friend who is involved in hurling in a football dominated county and every effort is made in that county to stop hurling from gaining any kind of traction. Every possible obstacle is put in the way of its development." Yes but i do know some football people are miffed the way the original football facility in Loughgeorge was taken over as a county facility due the hurling proposal for a centre of excellence that never materialised. Also in relation to the current county board most of the key positions are hurling oriented. However i think in our case one board is more preferable. As you know of course football was frowned on in two particular clubs in South Galway once the underage starting moving into the adult grades and those two clubs were quite successful at underage. My point is its not just hurling being frowned upon in football dominated counties. The Galway experience has being more the reverse. However i think we have some really good people for both codes and prefer unity rather than division. We are in a better place than 10 years ago but have a bit to go.
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "Separate Couny Boards - Football & Hurling?
Tomas O'Se raised the issue in relation to Cork but it could certainly be applied to most counties.
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I know a senior club official from a Donegal club told me they do not encourage hurling in the club. He said it was simply a matter of resources - they did not have the player numbers or other resources to compete in both codes so they just focussed on football. He liked hurling and watched it but the club couldnt do both. It was hard to argue against and im sure happens in reverse in hurling counties. It clearly also happens at county board level in most counties.
Having two smaller but separate county boards would improve both codes. It would allow both codes to flourish with both codes being facilitated and organised by those with only their best interests.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4393 - 09/07/2018 13:54:06 Where do you find all the extra people required to run this extra board and all the other roles relevant? Smaller but separate means you need more people and how would it allow both codes to be facilitated? You would have more bureaucracy involved to make decisions across two different organisations so how is that better? Making decisions that would affect both organisations would be more difficult as well.
I would go as far as to say separate organisations. I find it odd that hurling and football are still governed by one body. The GAA is more focused on football because it is the number sport in most counties.
I would like to see a HAA for hurling.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2194 - 09/07/2018 16:07:35What would purpose be. Where do you find the extra officials for each organisation. You would have plenty of new roles created which would be a waste of resources as there would now be 2 people doing the work that 1 is more than capable of doing now" We already have that in Tipperary, O'Brien is chair of the football board and we have two supporters clubs too. The Tipperary Supporters Club only cares about hurling hence why the friends of Tipperary Football exists.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/07/2018 03:07:07
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "100% agree with you. We used to have separate hurling and football boards in Galway until CP decreed otherwise. It works OK in Galway because the county is pretty much evenly split between hurling and football but in counties where one sport dominates the other sport is neglected/stifled when there's only one county board. I have a friend who is involved in hurling in a football dominated county and every effort is made in that county to stop hurling from gaining any kind of traction. Every possible obstacle is put in the way of its development." Exactly and all these football first counties have the neck to call out Kilkenny for not taking Football seriously.
A Sligo senior club hurling game was won by 82 points last weekend.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/07/2018 03:10:26
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Replying To bad.monkey: " Replying To DonaldDuck: "Separate Couny Boards - Football & Hurling?
Tomas O'Se raised the issue in relation to Cork but it could certainly be applied to most counties.
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I know a senior club official from a Donegal club told me they do not encourage hurling in the club. He said it was simply a matter of resources - they did not have the player numbers or other resources to compete in both codes so they just focussed on football. He liked hurling and watched it but the club couldnt do both. It was hard to argue against and im sure happens in reverse in hurling counties. It clearly also happens at county board level in most counties.
Having two smaller but separate county boards would improve both codes. It would allow both codes to flourish with both codes being facilitated and organised by those with only their best interests.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4393 - 09/07/2018 13:54:06 Where do you find all the extra people required to run this extra board and all the other roles relevant? Smaller but separate means you need more people and how would it allow both codes to be facilitated? You would have more bureaucracy involved to make decisions across two different organisations so how is that better? Making decisions that would affect both organisations would be more difficult as well.
I would go as far as to say separate organisations. I find it odd that hurling and football are still governed by one body. The GAA is more focused on football because it is the number sport in most counties.
I would like to see a HAA for hurling.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2194 - 09/07/2018 16:07:35What would purpose be. Where do you find the extra officials for each organisation. You would have plenty of new roles created which would be a waste of resources as there would now be 2 people doing the work that 1 is more than capable of doing now" I would argue Ormond that one person is currently not capable of doing the job of 2 because they are not allowed to. They are directing all resources/promotion etc toward the code the county is more successful at to the clear detriment of the other code. Two separate boards would push their code and facilitate anyone who wants to play"
I know a club in Tipp who had very good underage football teams and did nothing to progress it because it was all about winning a county hurling title which they failed to do.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/07/2018 03:14:30
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