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Yeah, that's very true. Fair play for proper constructive conversation. All the county boards voted for this structure. Beano on Newstalk was the only one to speak out against it. County boards have to put up or shut up. Donegal started speaking because they are on the wrong side of it. To be fair Donegal are asking the questions constructively. There are many counties in a similar position who would be too weak to ask the question. The structure was agreed for this year. It is what it is. The next congress will be time to put up or shut up. Tyrone and the Big Smoke once brought a motion for a Champions Round where the winners would advance to the semi-finals and the losers would take on two qualifiers in the quarter-finals. I agreed with it but it didn't gain support at congress. Interestingly, the Super 8 games this week are essentially the Champions Round and Qualifier Round 5 envisaged by Tyrone and the Big Smoke. The group stage and the next two rounds are obviously different. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 14/07/2018 13:42:19 2121558 Link 0 |
This conversation is clearly beyond you! :-) I am taking part in a balanced discussion. Leinster runners-up have the benefit of provincial semi-final and final in Croke Park. They are not good enough to take advantage. There have been 2 All-Munster All-Ireland finals. Tipperary, Clare and Limerick have all negotiated the qualifiers to make the All-Ireland series over the years. Kerry and Dublin Region have in common that they set a high standard within their respective provinces. Leinster could be labelled a hurling province as well if anyone wants to go down a narrow mind view path instead of taking part in a balanced conversation. The Spring Series has created a new dynamic over the years. Dublin Region are good enough to take advantage of it. There is a promotional and financial advantage to the Spring Series. If Dublin Region go on the road for the neutral venue game along with their away game, it will be fair. I already respect that Dublin Region start off the Leinster Championship outside of Croke Park. The Leinster seeding system of keeping provincial semi-finalists apart for the quarter-final draw is beneficial. In Munster, commonsense has seen provincial finalists given a bye to the following year's semi-final but both finalists could still be drawn against each other in the semi-final. That's very fair. I think it's beneficial to have 3 provincial games before the All-Ireland series. As part of a balanced conversation, I consider provinces with less than 8 counties as single branch championship structures. I consider provinces with more than 8 counties as double branch structures. There is an argument for Leinster a Ulster semi-finalists being treated the same as provincial finalists. Leinster and Ulster have 21 counties between them. Both those provinces could try and work constructively together if they feel their quarter-final winners should at least be at the same All-Ireland stage as semi-final winners from smaller provinces. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 14/07/2018 14:03:13 2121561 Link 0 |
Andy Moran "interfered" with a ref this year. Andys a nice guy, received no ban. Supporters were talking Andy up, hes a nice lad, a good GAA man. Nobody wants to see him banned. Same supporters that want Diarmuid C's head on stick. JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 14/07/2018 14:08:46 2121563 Link 2 |
Of course it's unfair. Top brass can be blamed for coming up with an unfair system but ultimately it is the County Board delegates, including Donegal's, that voted for this. They 100% should have known that they were voting to give Dublin two home games. It was never 1 home, 1 away, 1 neutral. It was always, from the very beginning 1 home, 1 away and 1 Croke Park round. The Croke Park round was spoken of from the absolute beginning by Páraic Duffy as the big kick off to the whole Super 8s. It was clear and unambiguous. The GAA top brass did not secretly sneak this in. Some journos picked it up as neutral, as did one delegate (from Galway I think) I heard speaking during congress played back on the radio during the week, but that only shows that those people didn't read it properly or indeed listen properly. It was always from the get do, 1 home, 1 away, 1 Croke Park. It was wrong to do it that way in the beginning and hopefully a situation will be introduced and supported in Congress next year. Here's hoping that all County Board delegates actually read and listen next time around. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the County Board delegates from all counties that voted for this as was. We essentially had Donegal arguing against and seeking clarification about the very motion that they voted for, and even spoke in support of. All this is most annoying because it was all so easily avoidable by the simple acts of reading and listening. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 14/07/2018 14:27:04 2121569 Link 2 |
Wouldn't disagree with you on any of that. County boards around the country sleep walked into this situation. I could never understand how it took until the last two weeks for it to become an issue. I would love to know what the breakdown of the vote was, just to see how many may have copped on and how many didn't. We are in the throes of it now so it's time to knuckle down and get on with it.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 14/07/2018 17:04:57 2121604 Link 1 |
So the Galway delegate got it wrong and the room full of delegates and the top gaa brass did not correct him wonder why. Hopefully Donegal who spoke up for the none dublin Gaa in highlighting the unfairness will have it fixed for us all next year ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 14/07/2018 17:34:16 2121614 Link 0 |
Agree move on , play the games ,press your representatives and county boards to have situation addressed , put a sock in it until next year, great performance by Kildare under 20s maybe there's life in Leinster still
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 14/07/2018 17:46:57 2121620 Link 1 |
Two simple points. theborderfox (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 14/07/2018 18:12:33 2121633 Link 1 |
Two simple points. theborderfox (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 14/07/2018 18:29:05 2121640 Link 0 |
Here's a possible solution to the Dublin-get-two-games-at-home problem (which I tried to add as a new topic but alas). First, here's the schedule for 2018: Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 14/07/2018 18:55:16 2121664 Link 0 |
The opposition getting no breaks from referee again. Dublin goal was clearly overcarried by Scilly. And then clear Donegal free/penalty not given.it was right on the line looked a penalty and black card Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 766 - 14/07/2018 19:39:26 2121678 Link 3 |
No black card rule today I see along with home advantage ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 14/07/2018 20:18:38 2121693 Link 2 |
Should have been a black card for Donegal after 15 seconds. Not given. Boo hoo Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 14/07/2018 22:07:10 2121803 Link 2 |
Some goal alright. Dubln didn't take their chances today, Klkenny very off form, and would have won by 9 or 10 another day against that mass defence as Dessie Dolan called it. Good win for the blues and well in control.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 14/07/2018 22:51:14 2121836 Link 2 |
I thought 53'501 was dissapointing given four of the better supported teams were in action today and the atmosphere was very listless, even the Hill seemed strangely subdued mind you the fare on offer didn't help, a rather mediocre start to the Super 8's, without doubt the Croke Park or neutral games (whatever way you want to describe them) should be at provincial venues, one home, one away and one at a neutral provincial venue is the way forward Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/07/2018 00:34:14 2121879 Link 1 |
http://www.skysports.com/gaa/pundits/news/32477/11438826/peter-canavan-super-8s-should-have-been-in-regional-venues legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 16/07/2018 21:13:32 2122910 Link 0 |
He Wheelie knows his stuff
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 16/07/2018 21:22:40 2122913 Link 0 |
http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/287926 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 16/07/2018 21:35:40 2122916 Link 2 |
Dublin vs Roscommon in Ballybofey I am surprised you didn't suggest Tory Island or Mizen Head - ridiculous
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 16/07/2018 22:15:04 2122936 Link 0 |
The Dublin County Board are issuing revised history books to every primary and secondary school in Dublin. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 20/07/2018 14:09:59 2124026 Link 1 |