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Replying To tearintom: " The fact is the likes of Dublin don't have to worry about these things, don't have to weigh these options up for example. But genuinely there are a lot of ordinary gaa people in Dublin who don't get the frustrations of counties who are not in the same privileged position as they are or maybe they do and don't give a damn which is fair enough too why should they? But don't belittle the small victories for smaller counties, for once a county put the players ahead of money good on them." TrimJim (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 29/06/2018 12:06:51 2116653 Link 3 |
He is indeed Rixhieq.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 29/06/2018 12:24:07 2116656 Link 0 |
Good man royaldunne. Thanks for your support. You're a great GAA man my friend.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 29/06/2018 12:31:06 2116658 Link 1 |
Apologies tonorio you are correct.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 29/06/2018 12:35:29 2116659 Link 0 |
Care to back that up with facts and figures rather than just a bland empty line?
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 12:42:28 2116662 Link 2 |
'jaysusin'!
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 29/06/2018 12:51:31 2116665 Link 1 |
not sure I agree. sure there would be some not impressed personally as someone who goes to every single Dublin game, I've gone on record saying I want more away games. Some of the best days supporting the dubs came from when we left the pale. can't get enough aways. bring them on. would LOVE to play and beat kerry in killarney in particular :) waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 29/06/2018 13:08:26 2116667 Link 1 |
Kildare is mismanaged! Sure didn't the GAA have to take over to get them back on the straight and narrow. Dublin CB is probably one of the best managed in the country from underage right through. As to Dublin how much money do Dublin generate for the GAA versus the money they get? When we see the answer to this question we will know if Dublin are taking from the GAA not. But if Kildare come as usual with cap in hand why should they be bailed out as usual? witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/06/2018 13:19:25 2116670 Link 1 |
See? this is the ultimate end point of these discussions: whining about the Dubs. I'd say 99% of Dubs supported Kildare in their fight to get the match played in Newbridge. Furthermore, as you probably well know, Dubs love a roadtrip. Kerry in Semple would be snapped up, as it was (twice!) in '01. Your post just exposes a tiresome small-minded mentality. Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 29/06/2018 13:19:28 2116671 Link 0 |
I agree totally with what you are saying, a pyrrhic victory of sorts as you rightly point out not a chance grounds of this size will be used in future. Well said the GAA needs big crowds to function but I bet they regret not stipulating the size of grounds - won't make that mistake in future.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 29/06/2018 13:50:47 2116680 Link 1 |
I see you didn't address my point Dublin being the worst served county when you take home ground size versus population. But perhaps bitterness is blinding you. Whatever you generate for the GAA you have paid yourselves pretty well out of it. If Dublin are so well managed how come you haven't got a fit for purpose stadium built for yourselves in all this time? Apparently it's an awful sin these days. Maybe it's easy to be flush when you don't have such capital costs and can piggyback on the national ground.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 14:04:56 2116685 Link 3 |
And again your post is further proof of the fact ye just don't get it! People aren't whining about the dubs, what they are whining about is the fact is the lack of fairness that exists in the gaa world at this point in time. Is that the fault of Dublin? Absolutely not 100% but everytime it's raised the same rtheoric comes out, your only whining about the dubs, you see you don't get it! This is a gaa issue not a Dublin issue. Dublin are in a privileged position not because they demand to be but because the gaa deem it that way. It's nothing to do with road trips, it's actually nothing to do with Dublin. Should Dublin take full advantage of what's on offer, 110% they should and do. If my own county was afforded the same privileges I would 100% expect them to take it. The inequality in the gaa doesn't exist because of Dublin, it exists because of the gaa itself but dub,in are the biggest beneficiaries and in my opinion don't get the concerns and issues that smaller counties have to deal with. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1341 - 29/06/2018 14:07:46 2116687 Link 5 |
Is this the Dublin version of yerra yerra?! Let it go lads, you side of the equation lost the argument. Starting to look a bit pathetic now.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 14:07:49 2116688 Link 3 |
The 30 to 50 000 seater stadium has been done to death, from a debate point of view. It has been going on for years and years. Any Stadium been built that size needs central GAA and government investment and niether were prepared to do it, for the obvious reasons. The only way Dublin could go it alone was if they kept all the money they generated from attendance numbers but then you can imagine the shit storm, as funding would dry up for other counties. So if you want Dublin to go it alone they could, but then again you need to think through the consequences, just like the consequences of taking a public nuclear option to force a home game. Which was the point of this thread. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/06/2018 14:22:32 2116693 Link 1 |
The debate might be done to death but you still go running behind the hem of the Croke Park skirt. As I said before, maybe if Dublin had to invest in a stadium maybe they wouldn't be so flush and try to talk down to us. This attendance funding you seem to think is keeping the nation fed, would that be from the one third full league games or the half empty Leinster Final this year in Croke Park? Kildare in the final last year: 66k attendance Kildare not in it this year:41k attendance, so maybe you aren't doing it all on your own. The so called nuclear option(Jesus what a stupid phrase) opens the door for other counties with smaller grounds to fight for their home matches. If a delegate from a small county votes against his county ground having a home game to facilitate the gaa's wishes, can you imagine the explanation he would have to give. Shit storm indeed. Face it lad, the vast vast majority are not on your side. Now enjoy the sun and don't be bursting blood vessels trying to "guild the Lillies"!!:) kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 15:04:45 2116707 Link 2 |
And again your post is further proof of the fact ye just don't get it! People aren't whining about the dubs, what they are whining about is the fact is the lack of fairness that exists in the gaa world at this point in time. Is that the fault of Dublin? Absolutely not 100% but everytime it's raised the same rtheoric comes out, your only whining about the dubs, you see you don't get it! This is a gaa issue not a Dublin issue. Dublin are in a privileged position not because they demand to be but because the gaa deem it that way. It's nothing to do with road trips, it's actually nothing to do with Dublin. Should Dublin take full advantage of what's on offer, 110% they should and do. If my own county was afforded the same privileges I would 100% expect them to take it. The inequality in the gaa doesn't exist because of Dublin, it exists because of the gaa itself but dub,in are the biggest beneficiaries and in my opinion don't get the concerns and issues that smaller counties have to deal with."]I didn't make it about Dublin until someone else made it about Dublin. There were a couple of Kerry posts yesterday that took this issue as a springboard to have a go at Dublin. And I've also noted several times that Kildare are NOT a smaller county, they have one of the largest populations in Ireland. They've just been woefully mismanaged in GAA terms. It suited them to use Croke Park rather than invest properly in a ground of their own. I've supported Kildare in getting this match played in Newbridge, but the poor-me little-guy narrative is just baloney. Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 29/06/2018 16:32:18 2116737 Link 0 |
Wanting to play a home game at home in the business end of the championship does not equal taking a "nuclear option". Jesus wept. They stood up for themselves, fought and got what is theirs by the rules of the game and also showed smaller counties the only way to get what you are owed is to demand it. white.n.blue (Monaghan) - Posts: 249 - 29/06/2018 18:51:24 2116754 Link 3 |
Ahh my old friend. How you keeping? Well I hope. What the gaa tried to do to Kildare was a absolute disgrace. And I will be shouting you on , on Saturday eve. Can't wait , actually I have a little wager on Kildare. Think they will go all guns blazing. There's goals in that Kildare forward line. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/06/2018 19:12:31 2116761 Link 0 |
We in Carlow are not bitter at all... sad to see Kildare people defend the indefensible... how many tickets again for your home game? 1500 between the whole of your faithful followers ! I am glad I am not from Moorefield or Sarsfield or Carbury or Castledermot and looking for one of those 1500! We in Carlow had a great outing in Portlaoise last year against the Dubs - its about 35 min drive from Carlow town and we had plenty of room to walk around - a stand the full length of the pitch was also a help... we really enjoyed the evening against the Dubs and they provide the best banter in the business too... we were also there in Portlaoise for the Louth game this year- and we travelled to Tullamore to play ye lads from Kildare- you see we don't mind travelling to places where we have been asked to travel to... no we are not compliant- but we have respect for all counties and we follow the advice proffered... Kildare to me have shown little respect for their own supporters, and have added immense pressure to their own team, have seen a loophole and have taken the hard stand and I really don't believe that a similar situation will happen again. I suppose that is the beauty of the GAA - each year a new controversy- a new challenge and I expect the powers that be - that I pay for through my membership- and attendance at matches and draws I pay in for - to learn from this debacle and ensure we don't have a situation like this again. We in Carlow, Aughrim and Portlaoise have taken advice on venue changes in the past and I hope we continue to do the same into the future and that the GAA will be all the stronger for it. You see - I for one trust the men and women of our association who are paid to make such decisions based on their experience. And by the way - I stand over my premise that Kildare is the wealthiest county in the country! Each time I pass through Newbridge to go to Whitewater or Naas or Kilcullen - I see the wealth passing me by in their very nice Range Rovers - Mercedes good enough for the gentry of Kildare. I don't need to go to the latest census to garner such info. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 29/06/2018 19:38:31 2116766 Link 1 |
Carlowman it is not nice to say but Kildate is badly run. They should be Dublins biggest challengers but can hardly burst their way out if a wet paper bag. I would love to see Dublin play in Carlow....you guys would make an event of it and use it to grow the game. Kildare wouldn't know what to do. Dublin as a county and team would have loved to have gone to Aughrim but if we did who would pay for Kildares pay outs witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/06/2018 20:58:08 2116777 Link 1 |