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Ulster Team Allege Sectarian Abuse.

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Lads I can't believe anyone is even surprised at this. This stuff has been going on at club level and county level for years. I've been at games and seen middle aged women screaming 'get stuck into those Free State bast#ds' and I know well it goes the other way too. Frankly I dislike all sledging, religious stuff that protestant players get thrown at them, racist stuff, stuff about peoples girlfriends and families etc. none of it is OK. But you can't pick one element of it to be outraged at just because it relates to you personally, you need to acknowledge it all and referees need to enforce the rules that I believe are already in place. HighKings (Meath)* - Posts: 271 - 15/06/2018 18:19:30 2111937 Link
Replying To HighKings: "Lads I can't believe anyone is even surprised at this. This stuff has been going on at club level and county level for years. I've been at games and seen middle aged women screaming 'get stuck into those Free State bast#ds' and I know well it goes the other way too. Frankly I dislike all sledging, religious stuff that protestant players get thrown at them, racist stuff, stuff about peoples girlfriends and families etc. none of it is OK. But you can't pick one element of it to be outraged at just because it relates to you personally, you need to acknowledge it all and referees need to enforce the rules that I believe are already in place." I agree with that. Sledging is unacceptable. However I do think that abuse based on someone's religion, race, nationality or sexuality, real or perceived, is particularly egregious. We want as many people playing our games as possible. Sledging will drive people away regardless of who they are but we can't allow the impression that this is not a game for you if you're Black/Protestant/British/Gay/Whatever. roundball (Tipperary)* - Posts: 2514 - 15/06/2018 19:56:22 2111954 Link
Replying To arock: "Why would anyone from the six countries call a Northern nationalist a Brit!! They are talking of doing away with history on the school curriculum in the south so i guess be prepared for more ignorant stupid chanting." The same way everyone from outside Dublin calls us junkies and scumbags. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/06/2018 19:58:07 2111956 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Ulsterman = Yawn." Is that the level of your intellect and debating capability? Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 15/06/2018 20:26:19 2111967 Link
Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Sadly, a significant amount of people in Ireland have a "little Irelander" mentality that they think entitles them to dictate to others about who can and cannot be "Irish". Being Irish is not the exclusive domain of people in the 26 county state. Very unfortunate that this has happened, and it's not the first time I've read about incidents like this." I would agree with you and;Calling names/sledging or whatever one wants to call does go on-it is more a reflection on the ignorance of the person name calling. It would never bother me personally, however it is unfortunately difficult to stop at adult level. I would not expect it from u14 teams- the coaches of those teams are obviously not doing their job very well as discipline is one of the more important aspects of the game. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 15/06/2018 20:27:44 2111968 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "The same way everyone from outside Dublin calls us junkies and scumbags." Dry your eyes man. This isn't a Dublin thing. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/06/2018 20:30:46 2111970 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "The same way everyone from outside Dublin calls us junkies and scumbags." Yeah, cos that happens.... Everyone outside of Dublin thinks the population of the nations capital and surrounding area is a junkie and/or scumbag. seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 15/06/2018 21:21:30 2111983 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Is that the level of your intellect and debating capability?" Yawn. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/06/2018 21:25:38 2111984 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Is that the level of your intellect and debating capability?" If it was from someone else I'd care. But after hearing the same bs off you for 7 years it gets boring. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/06/2018 21:27:00 2111985 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Is that the level of your intellect and debating capability?" Probably..... greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 15/06/2018 21:27:01 2111986 Link
Replying To seanfinn: "Yeah, cos that happens.... Everyone outside of Dublin thinks the population of the nations capital and surrounding area is a junkie and/or scumbag." Especially when a huge proportion of the capital's population are from outside Dublin, that would definitely make sense greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 15/06/2018 21:31:31 2111987 Link
Replying To seanfinn: "Yeah, cos that happens.... Everyone outside of Dublin thinks the population of the nations capital and surrounding area is a junkie and/or scumbag." Yeah and we all call Northern Catholics British and not Irish down here. Move on I've had family members locked up over the troubles, but I'm not on here crying about it every second post. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/06/2018 21:31:50 2111988 Link
Brolly put it succinctly in 2012: https://www.derryjournal.com/news/opinion/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549 muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 15/06/2018 22:45:17 2112000 Link
Replying To muffin: "Brolly put it succinctly in 2012: https://www.derryjournal.com/news/opinion/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549" Spot on. Brolly summed it up succinctly. Those who bury their heads and refuse to believe this stuff goes on should read Joe's article. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 16/06/2018 01:29:22 2112022 Link
Any language of that nature towards young kids especially is not on. Having said that I got the same as a kid in reverse up north. We played Down in All Ireland Minor Hurling B Championship around 1996-1997. We were called Free State this that and the other. I remember not knowing how to react to it especially as I have a lot of relations up North and would have been especially sympathetic to the lot of Northern Nationalists. I don't think many of our team even replied much to what we were called, we didn't really know what to say in return. We would have considered the Down players as Irish as we were. Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 17/06/2018 04:19:27 2112214 Link
Replying To seanfinn: "Yeah, cos that happens.... Everyone outside of Dublin thinks the population of the nations capital and surrounding area is a junkie and/or scumbag." The same way dubs refer to people from the remaining 31 counties as culchies... Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 17/06/2018 12:44:27 2112238 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Spot on. Brolly summed it up succinctly. Those who bury their heads and refuse to believe this stuff goes on should read Joe's article." I just read Joe's article. Particularly loved this bit.... "My father, a veteran republican, fluent Irish speaker and traditional musician steeped in all things Gaelic quipped to me during the week, " Don't be too hard on the southerners Joe, some of them are almost as Irish as we are." " You've just gotta love anyone who co-opts specific aspects of a culture to infer their superiority over others, eh? extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 17/06/2018 14:18:19 2112250 Link
Replying To extranjero: "I just read Joe's article. Particularly loved this bit.... "My father, a veteran republican, fluent Irish speaker and traditional musician steeped in all things Gaelic quipped to me during the week, " Don't be too hard on the southerners Joe, some of them are almost as Irish as we are." " You've just gotta love anyone who co-opts specific aspects of a culture to infer their superiority over others, eh?" Very well said. It's the same way the loyalists carry on up there.. They try so hard to be British. Ultra British!! Banging drums and marching about the place.. Look at me! Look at me! It's a very similar thing the other way around. There's many a super-duper Irishman up north and they make sure to let us know how great they are.. Look at me! I'm ohh so Irish... Well done you think you're more Irish.. I couldn't care less. I don't particularly think it's anything to be proud of.. Personally I don't like nationalism. It's an enclosed world and I grew out of that nonsense many moons ago. It just doesn't make sense. It's a big world and there's many aspects of other cultures that are superior to our own. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 17/06/2018 14:44:10 2112257 Link
To be clear on this matter (in spite of the themes being propagated here & within the Brolly piece), this issue unfortunately is not a one way thing. Have travelled to the sweet six for games on occasions, I have witnessed plenty of vitriol directed at certain members of the Monaghan team. Time to chop the chip folks greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 17/06/2018 18:05:34 2112325 Link
Sweet Jebus, how does this thread still have legs??? Allow me to sum up: some kids acted like mean kids on a day when the overwhelming number of kids who took part had a great day, playing sport and making new friends. Hopefully the ADULTS present took things in hand and had a word with the offenders and they learned a lesson and moved on. And hopefully the ADULTS took a lesson and realized that every time they act the maggot as a player, or a manager, or a fan, young eyes are watching and will mimic what they see. Move over on lads. festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 17/06/2018 20:18:13 2112397 Link