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Ulster Team Allege Sectarian Abuse.

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Anyone from the 26 counties might as well be talking about life on Mars as the 6 counties when we're saying 'I know how you feel. We don't know how they feel. We haven't a clue what life was like for anyone, from either community, before during or after the troubles. Anyone racially abusing another person should be ashamed of themselves. We've had it soft in the 26 counties and should have a great welcome for GAA people from the 6 counties. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7355 - 15/06/2018 05:08:16 2111708 Link
Replying To galwayford: "this kind of abuse should not be tolerated. And I hope the GAA deals with it." What type of abuse should be tolerated. I know that is a smart response and I know your post wasn't meant like that so apologies. Point I am making is we tolerate and accept a lot of abuse in the GAA. Back in the day the "D'unbelievables" did a sketch about Under 14's and u insult their mother, their father, their sister etc. It was funny because it was so true. So imagine a situation where a player is getting lip from an opponent and maybe he is not the wittiest/sharpest with the tongue and his only response is related to nationality.....of course it is wrong but is his crime any worse than the other players? or do we have a hierarchy of abuse? Notice the question marks above.....I do not know the answers to this one other than education and respect to opponents. It would go along way if players had to clap off opposition like in rugby. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1833 - 15/06/2018 09:27:19 2111723 Link
Replying To PeggyShippen: "Yeah a few thoughts spring straight into my mind. One the 'abuse' if it happened is not sectarian. Both teams were more than likely predominantly catholic and Irish and one of the 2 teams could reasonably be called both Irish and British if we go by facts. Who says there aren't kids on the team who consider themselves British.. 3 its always striking how thin skinned our Northern Brethern are. Why are Northern Irish teams so thin skinned.Is it pure insecurity ? I thought we were beyond this , apparantly not. Being continuously a victim is in no way empowering." 'Continuously a victim isn't empowering' I must remember that one. Classic response to someone talking about being abused over where they are from. Call them 'thin skinned'. I suppose it's all just banter innit? MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 15/06/2018 10:13:32 2111729 Link
Replying To Eddie the Exile: "The victimhood complex continues...time to move on lads, you live in one of the greatest countries in the world!" And the blaming of victims complex also continues. There might be something in that but I doubt you'll see it. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 15/06/2018 10:15:12 2111730 Link
While sectarian abuse (if that is what it really is) is deplorable, our northern brethern, supporters and players, are not beyond abusing the opposing players and supporters. Independent12 (Carlow) - Posts: 20 - 15/06/2018 10:37:13 2111738 Link
I dont think this kind of abuse is common place. I have been to lots of matches and never heard anyone use terms such as British etc. That said it obviously must happen in isolated cases and is totally wrong and is to be condemned. I consider myself as Irish as anyone else in Ireland. I hate living under British rule. The reality is the North will never be British. Just like the rest of Ireland before partition was never British. It is a colony. If you take the logic of those dishing out the abuse a step further then by extension their grandfathers/ grandmothers and ancestors were in fact "Brits". I don't feel this is reflective of GAA supporters from around Ireland who I have always found courteous and respectful. There will always be a small partitionist element North and South who have been brain washed into thinking that British rule in Ireland is legitimate. It is not and never will be. It is these same Catholic Unionists that will prevent Ireland being united in a future border poll. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 15/06/2018 10:55:11 2111747 Link
I read the piece and the line that stood out for me was from Colton saying 'the kids had no problem but the parents/mentors were up in arms about it'. I've been involved underage football and the kids are great, all the problems stem from adults getting involved, giving opinions or taking offence. If this happened have a quick word with the kids and tell them that it is wrong. There is too much of this 'professional chip on the shoulder' mentality going around with people almost looking to find something they can take offence at - and then share it on social media so people can tell them how great they are. Roger (Meath) - Posts: 471 - 15/06/2018 11:03:08 2111752 Link
If comments were made it's not about you or I and if we found them offensive, it's the ears of the 14 year old on the other end of the comment should be the judge of that. I've been around feiles for quite a few years and visited other counties never came across anything like this remotely I'd question does it in the week of a World Cup and US Open warrant top headline yesterday on the Irish Indo , they do love a bit of GAA negativity Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/06/2018 11:05:04 2111757 Link
Replying To Independent12: "While sectarian abuse (if that is what it really is) is deplorable, our northern brethern, supporters and players, are not beyond abusing the opposing players and supporters." You make it sound like that's a valid excuse... We done it cause they do it...Pffff All that comes to mind is Paul Kimmage and his articles. This is exactly the type of stuff that goes on and it gets an attitude of Move on..nothing to see here. We are pathetic in the GAA at sorting out issues when they arise. Whats worse is we put up the biggest blanket defence I've even seen in the GAA... its only banter, shhhhh and hope it will go away , call the other side liars and claim they haven't got a thick skin. ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 541 - 15/06/2018 11:06:38 2111758 Link
It's not on. Simple as that. But sure Ulsterman has called southern posters "free staters" on here in the past Many a time have I seen Ulster posters / country posters call their Dublin counter parts West Brits and Jackeens etc which always struck me as particularly strange especially coming from Ulster posters. It's the same discriminatory language used and for the same reasons. To insinuate that we're somehow lesser. Dublin posters call country posters culchies/mullahs/muckers Plenty of it gets floated about jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/06/2018 11:14:35 2111763 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I have no agenda here at all. I think abuse of any sort on and off the pitch is unacceptable. Someone is not telling the truth here. The Ulster folk are adamant it occurred while the opposition say it didn't so who is fibbing? As for the 'British, Unionist and Queen' stuff it's a matter of fact that Ulster players and fans get this all the time. The 2003 All Ireland final between Armagh and Tyrone was called The British Final in some Southern media and GAA quarters." I'm pretty sure that was Trimble who referred to the game as such. The southern media you are so fond of might have quoted him but I've never heard of it independently referred to as the "British Final" by any media outlet, GAA club or anyone I know. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 15/06/2018 11:32:11 2111779 Link
I'd view it as a poor attempt at a wind-up and answer with a choice insult in Irish. (I know several, none publishable.). It wouldn't bother me, apart from motivating me to play better. God shave the queen. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/06/2018 11:36:30 2111789 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "There's a story in today's Irish Independent that an Ulster U14 hurling team received vulgar abuse and partitionist catcalls at a tournament in Galway last week. The team's management and parents said the abuse included "British b***ds" and "You're not even Irish". Many Ulster sides will tell you that this sort of abuse is rife when they travel South and it's shameful. I don't think the GAA and websites like HS can ignore this now as it's getting worse." Very disappointing. I can tell you as a southerner that played up north I got plenty of it as well. "Free State sellout" "traitor" "West Brit". And I know some lads from the south that played for northern teams and were baffled when they got anti-Protestant sectarian abuse when they went back down to play southern sides. It didn't bother me particularly but that stuff, politicised language and sectarianism, should be left off the table given our history. Especially at U14 for God's sake. roundball (Tipperary)** - Posts: 2514 - 15/06/2018 12:48:43 2111831 Link
From what I hear it was a Tyrone team involved but can' t be sure. I've played a bit of Intecounty hurling and TBH I've never encountered any of that nonsense but if I did I can assure you that the person firing it out would be sore from it. It's not about being thin skinned as some seem to think, it's been an arduous battle to earn the right to be Irish in culture, language and sport here in the North and it's galling to hear someone who from a place of ignorance questioning that right and indeed they will feel the wrath of it. It's bad enough that our right to be Irish is questioned by Unionists but by our own countrymen???? My question is IF this did occur, who would be filling the heads of 14 year olds more interested in fortnite with such nonsense? bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 15/06/2018 15:10:41 2111871 Link
Ulsterman = Yawn. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/06/2018 15:11:30 2111872 Link
Sadly, a significant amount of people in Ireland have a "little Irelander" mentality that they think entitles them to dictate to others about who can and cannot be "Irish". Being Irish is not the exclusive domain of people in the 26 county state. Very unfortunate that this has happened, and it's not the first time I've read about incidents like this. Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 15/06/2018 16:19:29 2111905 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "There's a story in today's Irish Independent that an Ulster U14 hurling team received vulgar abuse and partitionist catcalls at a tournament in Galway last week. The team's management and parents said the abuse included "British b***ds" and "You're not even Irish". Many Ulster sides will tell you that this sort of abuse is rife when they travel South and it's shameful. I don't think the GAA and websites like HS can ignore this now as it's getting worse." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-30932364 Well its not always a case of outside of Ulster... seanfinn (Monaghan)** - Posts: 360 - 15/06/2018 16:25:35 2111910 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I have no agenda here at all. I think abuse of any sort on and off the pitch is unacceptable. Someone is not telling the truth here. The Ulster folk are adamant it occurred while the opposition say it didn't so who is fibbing? As for the 'British, Unionist and Queen' stuff it's a matter of fact that Ulster players and fans get this all the time. The 2003 All Ireland final between Armagh and Tyrone was called The British Final in some Southern media and GAA quarters." Why would anyone from the six countries call a Northern nationalist a Brit!! They are talking of doing away with history on the school curriculum in the south so i guess be prepared for more ignorant stupid chanting. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 15/06/2018 16:57:25 2111918 Link
No sectarian abuse is exceptable in gaa or any sport for that matter,however the carry on of a few player representing Tyrone is not exceptable either,the abuse suffered by the donegal minor captain a few years ago,and the carry on of Tyrone u21s against tipp was disgusting,so maybe if you give it,it's inevitable you will get it back at some stage throughout your career Tipptipp (Tipperary) - Posts: 62 - 15/06/2018 17:30:28 2111928 Link
A few years ago, we hosted a team from Hertfordshire in the under 14 Féile football. Now those boys were English /British or whatever. Many had no Irish backgrounds at all. There were 4 teams in our group. Us, another team from Cork and another team from nowhere near Cork shall we say. The Hertfordshire mentors told me that the sledging they endured in that game was way beyond anything that they ever might expect. Disappointing in the extreme. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 15/06/2018 18:08:13 2111936 Link