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Another spiel in the Sunday Independent from this author. Coming hot on the heels on the Athenry story while hardly deserved 2 pages I am wondering what is his point. These stories are a million miles away from drug cheats that he normally covers and does well. eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1664 - 07/06/2018 11:35:16 2108317 Link
Replying To eoinog: "Another spiel in the Sunday Independent from this author. Coming hot on the heels on the Athenry story while hardly deserved 2 pages I am wondering what is his point. These stories are a million miles away from drug cheats that he normally covers and does well." Running out of big stories to cover so has to blow up some smaller ones to seem relevant. Besides, anything that might portray the GAA in a negative light is deemed worthwhile covering by his employers. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 07/06/2018 14:05:55 2108384 Link
Kimmage will pick a new topic to put in the spotlight every now and then to try and make himself appear still relevant! Absolutely unnecessary to be picking arguments ALL the time. Not a fan of his now tbh! LongfordSham (Longford) - Posts: 106 - 07/06/2018 14:32:20 2108394 Link
I am not a fan of Kimmage and he is painful to listen to when on the radio but have both his stories not highlighted major issues? TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 07/06/2018 14:53:53 2108400 Link
An interesting article nonetheless. I'd be concerned if the GAA were interfering or paying out in civil cases involving it's members. Strange one but you'd have to hear a little more to be honest as Kimmage is great at painting the intrigue without really shining a light on exactly what the story is. Similar with his Athenry piece. It seemed to be painting the GAA as a whole organisation as some sort of Machiavellian institution circling the wagons against the defenceless whereas it was the GAA themselves that disciplined one of their clubs for their shortcomings. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 07/06/2018 14:57:59 2108404 Link
He didn't give both sides of the story I feel Bighands1 (Louth) - Posts: 22 - 07/06/2018 15:02:49 2108408 Link
Paul Kimmage is a good analyst but is always very biased towards one side of the story. There's always two sides to every story but Paul will only take one side - and he is always right!!!! imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 07/06/2018 15:19:17 2108410 Link
Its kind of funny - we give out all year here about things in the GAA and its grand. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 07/06/2018 17:22:00 2108452 Link
Good journalist in my opinion. I don't always agree with him but it is stories like these that help ensure people are held to account and do their jobs properly 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 07/06/2018 17:26:09 2108455 Link
Replying To Ban: "Its kind of funny - we give out all year here about things in the GAA and its grand." There is an element of that about it alright. Who the bloody he'll does this cyclist think he is anyway. I'm wouldn't be a fan either though BTW. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/06/2018 18:24:20 2108472 Link
Professionally good(sometimes). Personality wise arrogant and annoying The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/06/2018 21:34:29 2108515 Link
I respect him for the work he done regarding exposing doping etc. but jeez he can be painful to lesson to at times. On the radio he's bordering on the embarrassing especially how he feels he's well within his rights to have a cut at people he's debating with but the moment they challenge him he throws his toys out of the pram The exchange with luke Fitzgerald been a perfect example bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 07/06/2018 21:43:51 2108521 Link
Dont think any of these articles did anything to promote volunteerism in our communities. Many people I know asking why would you get involved in something very local but inadvertently end up with your name being dragged all over the place in a 2 page spread in Irelands largest broadsheet. facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 07/06/2018 23:03:25 2108547 Link
It shows what people within these clubs think of existing GAA journalists or maybe how existing GAA journalists have gotten lazy in that these topics are now being covered by a non traditionalist GAA reporter. Why are some people taking the hump with Kimmage on this? If anything these issues should be put out there and in some cases it might be the only way for people within these clubs to get something done or speed up the process. I think and half informed reader can make their own mind up in terms of 2-sides to every story, we cant babysit a nation. The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 709 - 08/06/2018 09:01:37 2108579 Link
https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/12-days-of-kimmage-paul-chats-to-dublin-legend-david-hickey-about-his-sporting-values-31541498.html?__twitter_impression=true Interesting article, for anyone who considers Kimmage anti-GAA, or anti-Dubs, or whatever. extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 08/06/2018 10:39:58 2108614 Link
I thought the previous 2 article Kimmage were well written and well worth highlighting. What I don't think is necessary is for volunteers / chairmans names to be plastered all over a 2 page Sunday papers exclusive for such issues, especially when only one side of the story is being highlighted. The headline used in the Athenry case was pure sensationalism. In both cases the clubs have acted poorly and the procedures around handling such cases by all levels in the GAA should be open to criticism. But naming and shaming with only one side of the case being projected, that's very unfair. keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 08/06/2018 11:26:42 2108631 Link
Is this about PK or is it about the how far behind we are in terms of applying best practice when working with kids. Some of the stuff that went on in Athenry was appauling in this day an age. It can not be justified regardless how many sides there are to this or any other story. The GAA are mighty when it comes to covering their ass with policy document after policy document as regards best practices working with kids, but it is not being applied consistently and religiously like rugby for example. They have an absolute zero tolerance for this jungle behavior. We along with soccer are losing huge ground in terms of recruiting youngsters to our games and this is a major contributory factor, parents will simply not tolerate such behavior and will go else where and they are perfectly entitled to and are perfectly right to. Croke Park should have acted swiftly when this erupted but instead they kept it at arms length (which appears to be normal practice for CP going on other stories) until it was to late and the damage was done. I suspect they didn't take the matter and the determination of the parents seriously enough. Its hard to believe that there is full-time staff dealing with such matters and yet they still don't seem to get it. Parents will not tolerate this behaviour anymore. padthepostman (Galway) - Posts: 150 - 08/06/2018 11:54:38 2108644 Link
Replying To padthepostman: "Is this about PK or is it about the how far behind we are in terms of applying best practice when working with kids. Some of the stuff that went on in Athenry was appauling in this day an age. It can not be justified regardless how many sides there are to this or any other story. The GAA are mighty when it comes to covering their ass with policy document after policy document as regards best practices working with kids, but it is not being applied consistently and religiously like rugby for example. They have an absolute zero tolerance for this jungle behavior. We along with soccer are losing huge ground in terms of recruiting youngsters to our games and this is a major contributory factor, parents will simply not tolerate such behavior and will go else where and they are perfectly entitled to and are perfectly right to. Croke Park should have acted swiftly when this erupted but instead they kept it at arms length (which appears to be normal practice for CP going on other stories) until it was to late and the damage was done. I suspect they didn't take the matter and the determination of the parents seriously enough. Its hard to believe that there is full-time staff dealing with such matters and yet they still don't seem to get it. Parents will not tolerate this behaviour anymore." Did the GAA not step in and discipline Athenry GAA? I really don't see that situation as a reason to beat up on the GAA as an organisation. All sports around the country will have the odd situation where a particular club gets something wrong, I really don't see how it is a GAA only issue. We recently had teenagers fighting in the streets at a school rugby match in leafy south Dublin, does that mean that the IRFU has a major issue with controlling supporters? MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 08/06/2018 13:22:21 2108678 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Did the GAA not step in and discipline Athenry GAA? I really don't see that situation as a reason to beat up on the GAA as an organisation. All sports around the country will have the odd situation where a particular club gets something wrong, I really don't see how it is a GAA only issue. We recently had teenagers fighting in the streets at a school rugby match in leafy south Dublin, does that mean that the IRFU has a major issue with controlling supporters?" So what do we do exactly? Sweep it under the carpet, nothing to see here? The association was willing to pay out €20k, under very dubious circumstances. Surely any member of the GAA should be concerned about this? extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 08/06/2018 14:30:03 2108705 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "I am not a fan of Kimmage and he is painful to listen to when on the radio but have both his stories not highlighted major issues?" I think they both highlighted issues. But the question remains, If these were in Rugby clubs would he have wrote the story? Kimmage is down on GAA. He tried to highlight a non existant drug problem in GAA because, in my opinion, he just wants all sports to be as doomed as cycling. Then there was him throwing his toys out of the pram about Jim Gavin's boring post All Ireland Press Conference. Which no one cared about because when Jim Gavin has his Dublin managers hat on, he could make a tax consultant sound interesting. (Apologies to all Tax Consultants, but, well, you're boring!) I think he expected the Athenry story to explode and when it didn't he's gone to Plan B, well Plan D actually! Either he or his paper, or both, have an agenda against the GAA. I'm not denying that both issues need looking at but there's maybe 2,500 clubs in Ireland, there's going to be a few bad eggs. Also, I thought both stories didn't hold the attention because they were too long. I think he's the biggest malcontent in Ireland. That said, I love "A Rough Ride", its a great book. FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 08/06/2018 14:46:37 2108716 Link