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Incredible decision For Tipp's 2nd goal

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Forgive my ignorance but could Hawkeye have been used or is it only for points?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2127 - 03/06/2018 18:55:14    2106982

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Forgive my ignorance but could Hawkeye have been used or is it only for points?"
Hawkeye isn't in Limerick

But its only for points anyway even if it was in Croker or Thurles.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 03/06/2018 18:58:41    2106985

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "You've answered you're own question.
They'd have won except for the decision."
Well, yes. I suppose I did.. Point taken.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 03/06/2018 19:08:15    2106991

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I was at the game and Tipp may as well have lost. Waterford were far batter more hungrier but look 11 points up they had this game in the bag. This game should not be remembered for umpire mistakes but unfortunately it will be. Big games for Tipp Clare and Waterford next week season defining.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 03/06/2018 19:57:29    2107014

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Replying To Westfester:  "In fairness to the referee he had a good view of the point but could not have known if the ball was over the goal line or not before Gleeson caught it the second time.
It was a very bad call by the umpire."
He went to the umpire who was furthest away from the action, took his word for it, and didn't consult the other umpire. Total incompetents the lot of them.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 03/06/2018 20:02:33    2107017

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "How do you become an umpire? Do they have training and have to pass tests?

It always concerns me when you see an old fellow (no offence intended, I'm one myself) by the post. Surely as eyesight is the most important criteria to do the job (that and knowing the rules). It should be a young man's job, someone in there 20's or 30's. That said, mistakes will always be made."
a friend of the referee is about all afaik.
joke really.
i will never forget the umpire in wexford v cork,gave cork a point that was at least 3ft wide.luckily barry kelly seen it or there would have been a riot.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 03/06/2018 20:58:12    2107040

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Replying To WildPundit:  "I was at the game and Tipp may as well have lost. Waterford were far batter more hungrier but look 11 points up they had this game in the bag. This game should not be remembered for umpire mistakes but unfortunately it will be. Big games for Tipp Clare and Waterford next week season defining."
Your are honest Pundit. It does not matter if the lost a 25 point lead a game should be decided by the correct score.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 03/06/2018 21:55:30    2107068

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "He went to the umpire who was furthest away from the action, took his word for it, and didn't consult the other umpire. Total incompetents the lot of them."
That is a lie, go back and look at the replay's. He consulted with both umpires, and it was shown again on the Sunday Game that he did.

Never let facts get in the way

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 04/06/2018 09:44:22    2107159

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It should have been a free out to Waterford because no.26 for Tipperary was well inside the square before the ball came in. Square ball, free out!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2210 - 04/06/2018 10:36:26    2107189

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Replying To witnof:  "That is a lie, go back and look at the replay's. He consulted with both umpires, and it was shown again on the Sunday Game that he did.

Never let facts get in the way"
Oh my, aren't you getting very far up on your high horse! What's the view like from up there?

When I saw it live I thought he hadn't spoken to the 2nd umpire but after seeing it again last night I agree that he had a few words with him. Of course he should have been giving more weight to that umpires opinion since he was closer to the action but maybe that umpire didn't have an opinion or didn't express it if he had one.

You need to be very sure that someone is telling a lie before you allege it.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 04/06/2018 11:11:02    2107212

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Terrible decision- a goal should not be given unless the umpires were certain the ball was over the line- of course they could not be certain as it was clearly not over the goal line- it is strange how all the big calls in football and hurling go to the stronger teams. The umpire at the far post put the flag up immediately even though he was not in the best position.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 04/06/2018 11:44:57    2107235

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Two other aspects being largely overlooked, One being Seamie Callanan, square ball. Two being, Seamie barging.

So not only did the sliotar not cross the line, but there were also two reasons for a free out being awarded.

Not really sure what to make of Tipp, two abject first half performances followed by two great second halves. I'm not sure they can go to the well like that a third time.

I was disappointed with the 10k attendance. Makes you laugh looking back to the scramble for tickets in September when Waterford I presume only took 5k to Limerick. Likewise Tipp, who with Galway in the semi drew a crowd of 68k with no doubt 30k or so being from Tipperary. What happens to these 25k or so?!

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 04/06/2018 13:06:14    2107269

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Replying To browncows:  "Terrible decision- a goal should not be given unless the umpires were certain the ball was over the line- of course they could not be certain as it was clearly not over the goal line- it is strange how all the big calls in football and hurling go to the stronger teams. The umpire at the far post put the flag up immediately even though he was not in the best position."
The last time I can remember a goal being given in GAA when the ball didn't seem to cross the line was when Quigley pushed Cluxton over the goal line in 2015.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 04/06/2018 13:16:37    2107276

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Replying To browncows:  "Terrible decision- a goal should not be given unless the umpires were certain the ball was over the line- of course they could not be certain as it was clearly not over the goal line- it is strange how all the big calls in football and hurling go to the stronger teams. The umpire at the far post put the flag up immediately even though he was not in the best position."
You nailed it brow cows. No accident or mistake here. We move on to the next the next one.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 04/06/2018 13:44:42    2107282

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There comes to a stage where enough is enough and referees and their umpires need to be held accountable for blatant game changing decisions.
Same as Joe Sheridans "try" against Louth.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 04/06/2018 14:03:41    2107291

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There seems to be a load of talk about this goal. I think it is fair to say that there is practically unanimous consensus that a goal shouldn't have been given and it is a combination of the referee and umpires behind that goal who are to blame. You'd swear Tipp fans were claiming it was a goal.

Tipp fans were very unhappy with the referee too. Michael Cahill's dismissal and Tommy Ryan's point are two moments that spring to mind.

This notion that the referee favoured Tipp is nonsense. He was terrible yesterday and in both league games between Tipp and Kilkenny in the league.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 04/06/2018 17:46:44    2107368

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "There seems to be a load of talk about this goal. I think it is fair to say that there is practically unanimous consensus that a goal shouldn't have been given and it is a combination of the referee and umpires behind that goal who are to blame. You'd swear Tipp fans were claiming it was a goal.

Tipp fans were very unhappy with the referee too. Michael Cahill's dismissal and Tommy Ryan's point are two moments that spring to mind.

This notion that the referee favoured Tipp is nonsense. He was terrible yesterday and in both league games between Tipp and Kilkenny in the league."
In fairness the majority of Tipp fans say it was no goal and certainly not Tipp's fault. However if this was in Walsh Park with thousands of Waterford fans behind the goal what way do you think the call would have gone ? Or how might it be changed after consultation by all ? This umpire mostly certainly reacted to the Tipp supporters and that is their right. They paid their money to get in.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 05/06/2018 00:35:10    2107510

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "There seems to be a load of talk about this goal. I think it is fair to say that there is practically unanimous consensus that a goal shouldn't have been given and it is a combination of the referee and umpires behind that goal who are to blame. You'd swear Tipp fans were claiming it was a goal.

Tipp fans were very unhappy with the referee too. Michael Cahill's dismissal and Tommy Ryan's point are two moments that spring to mind.

This notion that the referee favoured Tipp is nonsense. He was terrible yesterday and in both league games between Tipp and Kilkenny in the league."
In fairness the majority of Tipp fans say it was no goal and certainly not Tipp's fault. However if this was in Walsh Park with thousands of Waterford fans behind the goal what way do you think the call would have gone ? Or how might it be changed after consultation by all ? This umpire mostly certainly reacted to the Tipp supporters and that is their right. They paid their money to get in.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 05/06/2018 00:56:33    2107512

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "There seems to be a load of talk about this goal. I think it is fair to say that there is practically unanimous consensus that a goal shouldn't have been given and it is a combination of the referee and umpires behind that goal who are to blame. You'd swear Tipp fans were claiming it was a goal.

Tipp fans were very unhappy with the referee too. Michael Cahill's dismissal and Tommy Ryan's point are two moments that spring to mind.

This notion that the referee favoured Tipp is nonsense. He was terrible yesterday and in both league games between Tipp and Kilkenny in the league."
I think there is no question that Waterford can feel more agrieved than Tipp but there was some horrendous decisions made against Tipp also. Personally I don't think either of Cahills challenges warranted a free. The first in particualr was a farce. Tom Devines first point- he took 8-10 steps. Tommy Ryan's point was wide. The Austin Gleeson helmet incident and the Jamie Barron "tackle" on O'Brien were both more red cards than Cahills.

As I said Tipp did benefit more but the consensus he gave everything to Tipp is totally incorrect.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 05/06/2018 10:22:44    2107585

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Replying To Miami305:  "Two other aspects being largely overlooked, One being Seamie Callanan, square ball. Two being, Seamie barging.

So not only did the sliotar not cross the line, but there were also two reasons for a free out being awarded.

Not really sure what to make of Tipp, two abject first half performances followed by two great second halves. I'm not sure they can go to the well like that a third time.

I was disappointed with the 10k attendance. Makes you laugh looking back to the scramble for tickets in September when Waterford I presume only took 5k to Limerick. Likewise Tipp, who with Galway in the semi drew a crowd of 68k with no doubt 30k or so being from Tipperary. What happens to these 25k or so?!"
Barging? Connors had him in a bear hug :-) and maybe Gleeson barged on the way out if you're going down that route!
To be honbest it's all the same as both teams on that performace will finish 4th and 5th in Munster,
People are confusing excitement for quality in the Munster cship this year.
I didnt fancy Limerick at the start of the cship but they've made big strides forward

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 05/06/2018 10:29:51    2107590

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