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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Boring."
I tell you what Clondalkin, when we win the All Ireland this year you can go off on one all winter just like 2014 ;D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 31/05/2018 11:12:03    2105892

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It doesn't matter what team Kerry put out the big issue is if the manager has learnt from his mistakes of last year. The league didn't show much sign of that but the championship is a different matter. Kerry need to make an All Ireland Final this year for Fitzmaurice to keep his job.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 31/05/2018 11:36:54    2105906

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Tomas O'Se speaking on RTÉ 2 radio last night echoed your exact opinion.

The interviewers commented on his honesty and bullish/proud prediction.

The commentators said that Kerry possibly have the best forward line in the country off the back of all the positivity and players named by O'Se.

His views very much differ from the highly predictable reaction to your thread on here but it's easy for those that are that predictable to paint others with their own dishonest brush.

He put across several of the points you made. I said the same myself weeks ago on here.

He also made the point that the Kerry team are now locked away inside their state of the art centre of excellence, (many millions spent above their rivals) the younger players are fearless and already have medals, have come from an almost unprecedented run of underage success. He said they are further down the road than he was starting for Kerry. He predicted that they would build great momentum going into the Super 8's and saw the Super 8 structure further boosting the team.

He truly believed they could win the AI in 2018.

These are his words.

If Kerry can shore things up and improve in that department in 2018 they are in with a very good chance of beating anyone IMO.

I think our chances depends on the availability of Jack McCaffrey and Cian OSullivan. Not even mentioning Diarmuid. We are particularly light of options in defence.

The positives for Dublin though is just how much our young and experimental line up completely took Kerry apart that featured many of their new hopes in Croke Park earlier this year.

The Kerry support was left dejected after that hammering but I still think they have s lot of hope for the year ahead.

My respect for Tomas OSe has always been there but it was very refreshing to listen to him last night and he's talking a completely different game to the Kerry posters on this thread who have only made their best effort to attack your opinion in a highly self serving manner.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/05/2018 11:38:39    2105909

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Dublin were blitzing teams just fine without Connolly and were well in the AI Final before he came on. There was a thread on here debating whether he should feature in the final with a lot of people convinced that Dublin had enough competition for places as it was. To say that Dublin wouldn't have won the AI without him is a bit far fetched. When have you known this Dublin team not to get over the line with or without Connolly? Especially against Mayo"
Did you not watch the recent final then?

Connolly and McCarthy were the difference in the end

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/05/2018 11:40:37    2105910

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Come on kingdomboy you're on here long enough now to not start that playing down bs that everyone does on here it's boring.


Yes I'm still very confident Dublin can win this year but I also believe this Kerry team could beat us , look what Mayo can do to us with far less lethal attackers as this Kerry team."
Clon I'm playing is down boy, I'm just trying to look at it realistically, the likes of white foley o'beaglaoih O'sullivan in the backs and burns Clifford and O'Shea in the forwards are just not physically ready to make an assault on the championship just yet, saying that they need to play every minute of this years championship for us as they need that experience, in fairness it was a big mistake by our management not getting a strength and conditioning coach in a couple of years ago.

That's why I say mayo Monaghan Tyrone and maybe Galway would give ye a better game but I feel we'd be blown away by ye'r physicality and athleticism at this moment in time.

Trust me there wouldn't be anyone happier than me if I'm wrong and fion fitz is climbing the steps of the HoganStand to pick up Sam 38 but I'd be very surprised if he is.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/05/2018 11:55:34    2105916

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'have come from an almost unprecedented run of underage success'

Err this lot have only won one u21 title in Munster and even then they were destroyed by Galway. Those Kerry sides in recent years have had some wonderful talents but they've been huge sides at that level.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 31/05/2018 11:56:43    2105917

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "This is going to descend into chaos. Going to grab some popcorn and wait for the inevitable"
Ha Ha, bet this post will end up talking about Diarmuid Connolly and Lee Keegan or Dublin getting too much funding.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 31/05/2018 11:57:00    2105918

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Clon I'm playing is down boy, I'm just trying to look at it realistically, the likes of white foley o'beaglaoih O'sullivan in the backs and burns Clifford and O'Shea in the forwards are just not physically ready to make an assault on the championship just yet, saying that they need to play every minute of this years championship for us as they need that experience, in fairness it was a big mistake by our management not getting a strength and conditioning coach in a couple of years ago.

That's why I say mayo Monaghan Tyrone and maybe Galway would give ye a better game but I feel we'd be blown away by ye'r physicality and athleticism at this moment in time.

Trust me there wouldn't be anyone happier than me if I'm wrong and fion fitz is climbing the steps of the HoganStand to pick up Sam 38 but I'd be very surprised if he is."
The first line of my post should read I'm not playing us down.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/05/2018 12:28:46    2105937

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Replying To JDF:  "'have come from an almost unprecedented run of underage success'

Err this lot have only won one u21 title in Munster and even then they were destroyed by Galway. Those Kerry sides in recent years have had some wonderful talents but they've been huge sides at that level."
I think you need to watch that game again, we were destroyed for 10-15 minutes by Galway at the beginning of the game due to tactical naivety on the sideline and probably a bit of complacency as well. Jack inexplicably just didn't react to Galway pressing so aggressively and we were 11 points down before he changed anything. Kerry were back to within a couple of points before Barry Dan was needlessly sent off in the second half and I think we only lost by four in the end. If that game was played again I'd put the house on kerry as Galway would never get that start again. It seems to be more and more of a hammering every time it's brought up here.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/05/2018 12:34:30    2105941

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "
Replying To JDF:  "'have come from an almost unprecedented run of underage success'

Err this lot have only won one u21 title in Munster and even then they were destroyed by Galway. Those Kerry sides in recent years have had some wonderful talents but they've been huge sides at that level."
I think you need to watch that game again, we were destroyed for 10-15 minutes by Galway at the beginning of the game due to tactical naivety on the sideline and probably a bit of complacency as well. Jack inexplicably just didn't react to Galway pressing so aggressively and we were 11 points down before he changed anything. Kerry were back to within a couple of points before Barry Dan was needlessly sent off in the second half and I think we only lost by four in the end. If that game was played again I'd put the house on kerry as Galway would never get that start again. It seems to be more and more of a hammering every time it's brought up here."
True, but our record at U-21 level has been appalling this past decade, we really need to get the finger out there. We'll see how we go in the U20's but my own opinion is that Jack is as much under pressure as Eamon is given the results over the past three years.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 31/05/2018 13:07:37    2105952

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Ha Ha, bet this post will end up talking about Diarmuid Connolly and Lee Keegan or Dublin getting too much funding."
Guaranteed.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 31/05/2018 13:48:15    2105971

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "
Replying To JDF:  "'have come from an almost unprecedented run of underage success'

Err this lot have only won one u21 title in Munster and even then they were destroyed by Galway. Those Kerry sides in recent years have had some wonderful talents but they've been huge sides at that level."
I think you need to watch that game again, we were destroyed for 10-15 minutes by Galway at the beginning of the game due to tactical naivety on the sideline and probably a bit of complacency as well. Jack inexplicably just didn't react to Galway pressing so aggressively and we were 11 points down before he changed anything. Kerry were back to within a couple of points before Barry Dan was needlessly sent off in the second half and I think we only lost by four in the end. If that game was played again I'd put the house on kerry as Galway would never get that start again. It seems to be more and more of a hammering every time it's brought up here."
Kerry pretty much got a goal with the last kick of the game and the goal at the beginning of the 2nd half should clearly have been disallowed on top of Galway missing so many goal chances, Galway were comfortably the better team on the day.

My point was that this group from Kerry have had very little success at 21's despite dominating minor level.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 31/05/2018 16:13:26    2106024

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If Kerry don't win it this year, will that be the end of Eamon Fitzmaurice?
I'm not sure what his contract length is but from what I understand he's under serious pressure to get results, no more so than any Kerry manager.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 31/05/2018 16:33:51    2106035

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Replying To JDF:  "
Replying To GeniusGerry:  "[quote=JDF:  "'have come from an almost unprecedented run of underage success'

Err this lot have only won one u21 title in Munster and even then they were destroyed by Galway. Those Kerry sides in recent years have had some wonderful talents but they've been huge sides at that level."
I think you need to watch that game again, we were destroyed for 10-15 minutes by Galway at the beginning of the game due to tactical naivety on the sideline and probably a bit of complacency as well. Jack inexplicably just didn't react to Galway pressing so aggressively and we were 11 points down before he changed anything. Kerry were back to within a couple of points before Barry Dan was needlessly sent off in the second half and I think we only lost by four in the end. If that game was played again I'd put the house on kerry as Galway would never get that start again. It seems to be more and more of a hammering every time it's brought up here."
Kerry pretty much got a goal with the last kick of the game and the goal at the beginning of the 2nd half should clearly have been disallowed on top of Galway missing so many goal chances, Galway were comfortably the better team on the day.

My point was that this group from Kerry have had very little success at 21's despite dominating minor level."]That was the first of the minor winning teams last year to play at that level so we will see how the rest get on. They will probably struggle this year without their two best players I'd imagine.

Galway were very definitely the better team on the day but I don't think it was the annihilation that a lot of people like to portray. If Kerry had kept 15 on the field it was by no means over at that stage after leaving themselves with a quite avoidable mountain to climb ten minutes in.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/05/2018 16:47:49    2106038

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Did you not watch the recent final then?

Connolly and McCarthy were the difference in the end"
What recent final?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 31/05/2018 18:00:20    2106060

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Did you not watch the recent final then?

Connolly and McCarthy were the difference in the end"
What's your point anyway? Jack McCaffrey was the footballer of the year in 2015. He left the squad the following year and Dublin still won the AI without him. Why? Because they are well enough drilled as a unit that the next one in hits the ground running like nothing ever changed.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 31/05/2018 18:16:12    2106065

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McCaffrey is a speed merchant, we have plenty of pace on the bench. Connolly and McCarthy could not be replaced in the same way. If we win without such players its because the opposition are STILL not good enough to beat us without them.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 01/06/2018 00:13:24    2106136

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "What's your point anyway? Jack McCaffrey was the footballer of the year in 2015. He left the squad the following year and Dublin still won the AI without him. Why? Because they are well enough drilled as a unit that the next one in hits the ground running like nothing ever changed."
McCaffrey is a very good player but has never been as important to the team as McCarthy or Connolly imo.

He may have been POTY in 2015 but that was completely due to the fact that they wouldn't give the award to Philly McMahon.

McMahon was head and shoulders above everyone else on the Dublin team that year.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 01/06/2018 09:12:12    2106167

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Replying To realdub:  "McCaffrey is a speed merchant, we have plenty of pace on the bench. Connolly and McCarthy could not be replaced in the same way. If we win without such players its because the opposition are STILL not good enough to beat us without them."
I agree. The opposition haven't been good enough to beat Dublin minus key players. It was the point I was initially trying to make when lads where talking up Kerry's chances but it got side tracked a bit.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 01/06/2018 10:05:49    2106181

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Replying To MesAmis:  "McCaffrey is a very good player but has never been as important to the team as McCarthy or Connolly imo.

He may have been POTY in 2015 but that was completely due to the fact that they wouldn't give the award to Philly McMahon.

McMahon was head and shoulders above everyone else on the Dublin team that year."
I'd agree with that. McMahon's displays were exceptional that year but maybe clouded by a bit of controversy at times. It's something the seems to be the norm at awards ceremonies in the GAA. You get points taken away for crossing the line which is hard not to when you play in the edge. There is a touch of the Rose of Tralee about them. My vote would have went to Philly.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 01/06/2018 10:11:56    2106184

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