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Why is no one talking about Kerry for Sam this year , I know their defense has questions but from midfield up their frightening;
Jack Barry David Moran
Micheal Burns Sean O Se Donacha Walsh
David Clifford Paul Geaney James O Donoghue
Not to mention
Donaghy
Daithi Casey
Darren O Sullivan
Micheal Geaney
Anthony Maher
Jack Savage
Barry John Keane
Genuinely that's a better forward line than Dublin's right now , why is nobody talking Kerry up? If posters think a Dublin half forward line of Scully and Howard would be as strong as Flynn and Connolly in their pomp their having a laugh, Kerry for me with that attacking strength should be nearly favorites this year and I'm not on the wind up even when we were at our peak we couldn't hammer an average Kerry team now look at the forwards they have now and with the young defenders coming in like Foley White etc their going to be extremely hard to beat, my only hope is it's a year or two too early for their younger players.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/05/2018 19:31:30
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Why is no one talking about Kerry for Sam this year , I know their defense has questions but from midfield up their frightening;
Jack Barry David Moran
Micheal Burns Sean O Se Donacha Walsh
David Clifford Paul Geaney James O Donoghue
Not to mention
Donaghy
Daithi Casey
Darren O Sullivan
Micheal Geaney
Anthony Maher
Jack Savage
Barry John Keane
Genuinely that's a better forward line than Dublin's right now , why is nobody talking Kerry up? If posters think a Dublin half forward line of Scully and Howard would be as strong as Flynn and Connolly in their pomp their having a laugh, Kerry for me with that attacking strength should be nearly favorites this year and I'm not on the wind up even when we were at our peak we couldn't hammer an average Kerry team now look at the forwards they have now and with the young defenders coming in like Foley White etc their going to be extremely hard to beat, my only hope is it's a year or two too early for their younger players." Not too far from the truth, why everyone is so scared of this particular Dublin team? Player wise it's not a patch on years gone by, look at whose missing, seriously. I'm not that confident, it would be some achievement with the probable line-up.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 30/05/2018 19:51:07
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Dublin are beatable, especially now with Connolly missing, Kerry have a great chance. Monaghan and Galway too if they can lift their game in Croker, Mayo may have one last bounce in this current team but it's really hard to see them winning from where they are now. Looking forward to the super 8's anyway, going to be interesting,
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 30/05/2018 20:36:41
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Dublin are that well drilled at what they do that even top players like Alan Brogan when he retired and Connolly when he was suspended last year didn't matter one bit to the team collectively. They still ended up with an All Ireland in September.
Kerry have a fine collection of individuals, some of which are unproven at the highest level. Could they cause a few surprises? Possibly, but no more so than 3 or 4 other teams, all of whom are capable of getting it right on a big day but are clearly underdogs if they face Dublin.
The better team usually beats the better individuals even though Dublin arguably are better than everyone on both counts and that is why nobody is particularly talking up anyone but Dublin I'd say.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 30/05/2018 21:11:35
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It's impossible to say where Kerry are at really. Three of the six forwards named in the first post have never kicked a ball in the championship so they have quite a bit to prove yet. Huge question mark over the full back line as well, and Eamon seems to favour a system that exacerbates this weakness, the two Mayo games last year are a case in point.
If we get our preparations and tactics spot on this year there is definitely a chance but I think with so many youngsters in there it would be difficult to get through the super 8's and two knockout games without getting caught. Dublin are better and more balanced at this point in time and I would expect the late season version of Mayo to beat such a young team as well. A couple of years too early for Kerry I would think.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 30/05/2018 21:18:27
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This is going to descend into chaos. Going to grab some popcorn and wait for the inevitable
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/05/2018 21:26:23
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TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 30/05/2018 23:51:50
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Look where the poster is from and it's easy to work out the agenda at play
Look at the bookies odds and the expert pundits - nobody has us doing anything and with good reason
Ignore thread
37thHeaven (Kerry) - Posts: 102 - 31/05/2018 00:26:23
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Replying To SaffronDon: "Dublin are that well drilled at what they do that even top players like Alan Brogan when he retired and Connolly when he was suspended last year didn't matter one bit to the team collectively. They still ended up with an All Ireland in September.
Kerry have a fine collection of individuals, some of which are unproven at the highest level. Could they cause a few surprises? Possibly, but no more so than 3 or 4 other teams, all of whom are capable of getting it right on a big day but are clearly underdogs if they face Dublin.
The better team usually beats the better individuals even though Dublin arguably are better than everyone on both counts and that is why nobody is particularly talking up anyone but Dublin I'd say." Dublin would not have won the All Ireland last year without Diarmuid Connolly , his 2nd half substitution got them over the line .
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 31/05/2018 00:56:42
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "It's impossible to say where Kerry are at really. Three of the six forwards named in the first post have never kicked a ball in the championship so they have quite a bit to prove yet. Huge question mark over the full back line as well, and Eamon seems to favour a system that exacerbates this weakness, the two Mayo games last year are a case in point.
If we get our preparations and tactics spot on this year there is definitely a chance but I think with so many youngsters in there it would be difficult to get through the super 8's and two knockout games without getting caught. Dublin are better and more balanced at this point in time and I would expect the late season version of Mayo to beat such a young team as well. A couple of years too early for Kerry I would think." Disagree has a look of 1975 to me .
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 31/05/2018 01:01:58
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Replying To 37thHeaven: "Look where the poster is from and it's easy to work out the agenda at play
Look at the bookies odds and the expert pundits - nobody has us doing anything and with good reason
Ignore thread" ignore Kerry ? you having a laugh ?
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 31/05/2018 01:04:14
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Why is no one talking about Kerry for Sam this year , I know their defense has questions but from midfield up their frightening;
Jack Barry David Moran
Micheal Burns Sean O Se Donacha Walsh
David Clifford Paul Geaney James O Donoghue
Not to mention
Donaghy
Daithi Casey
Darren O Sullivan
Micheal Geaney
Anthony Maher
Jack Savage
Barry John Keane
Genuinely that's a better forward line than Dublin's right now , why is nobody talking Kerry up? If posters think a Dublin half forward line of Scully and Howard would be as strong as Flynn and Connolly in their pomp their having a laugh, Kerry for me with that attacking strength should be nearly favorites this year and I'm not on the wind up even when we were at our peak we couldn't hammer an average Kerry team now look at the forwards they have now and with the young defenders coming in like Foley White etc their going to be extremely hard to beat, my only hope is it's a year or two too early for their younger players." I know yer desperate for some competition but don't be looking down our way for it.
Mayo are the only team that can anyway match ye at the moment and they have to negotiate their way through the qualifiers so don't bank on them either .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/05/2018 01:12:59
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Replying To 37thHeaven: "Look where the poster is from and it's easy to work out the agenda at play
Look at the bookies odds and the expert pundits - nobody has us doing anything and with good reason
Ignore thread" Absolutely no agenda's here, it's a forum for debate and I think what I've said is pretty accurate imo.
Let's say I'm on the wind up even so what have I said that's way off? I'm on here long enough that I'm of bored of wums this is 100% genuine.
To the other poster yes 3 forward players haven't kicked a ball in championship yet but come on two of them are guaranteed superstars of the future we're not talking about average guys here Clifford is the goat of minors that's why I said hopefully it's a year or two too early for them as a Dublin supporter, but a fool would say this Kerry team doesn't have all Ireland's in it for me the forward options are frightening.
Like I'm on here long enough to know this has no effect on Eammon Fitz and his team it's just common sense from looking at their squad of players. Yes Dublin are favorites in most people's eyes but Kerry people with that squad deep down know they've a big chance this year. No Connolly for Dublin is huge aswell.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/05/2018 02:52:57
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Pros for Kerry.
Mighty recent under age success. Totally took their eye off the ball last year u21 v Galway. This combined experience will stand to them.
Huge tradition and infrastructure in situ.
Super 8 competition will ensure they get 2nd chance if ring rusty after Munster experience. Expect them to grab this opportunity and get to semis St the very least.
Cons
Still not as good as Dublin and may have a monkey to deal with now.
May lack experience against seasoned opponents such as Monaghan or Tyrone. Will have enough to overthrow others with similar experience.
Worthy 2nd favorites for Sam. Time will tell if they can beat the dubs in croke park. Would b interested to see how Dublin would fair in Killarney
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 31/05/2018 09:06:32
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Replying To superbluedub: "Disagree has a look of 1975 to me ." I hope you are right! There is a lot of talent coming in to the panel, no doubt about that. Some of the young lads are still very light looking though, I would worry about Jason foley trying to mark Ciarán Kilkenny for example.
Fitzmaurice played a very risky brand of football last year but to be honest I don't think our backs are anywhere near good enough to play without a sweeper the way they did at times last year. We have missed Aiden O'Mahony desperately since he retired, we tried Murphy there in the Mayo replay and it was a disaster. If we can sort out the issue at the back and the young lads click who knows. Kerry historically have a knack of picking up unexpected All Ireland's but I'd be surprised personally if he can pull it off with that panel.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/05/2018 09:54:44
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I know yer desperate for some competition but don't be looking down our way for it.
Mayo are the only team that can anyway match ye at the moment and they have to negotiate their way through the qualifiers so don't bank on them either ." Come on kingdomboy you're on here long enough now to not start that playing down bs that everyone does on here it's boring.
Yes I'm still very confident Dublin can win this year but I also believe this Kerry team could beat us , look what Mayo can do to us with far less lethal attackers as this Kerry team.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/05/2018 10:01:21
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Replying To superbluedub: "Dublin would not have won the All Ireland last year without Diarmuid Connolly , his 2nd half substitution got them over the line ." Dublin were blitzing teams just fine without Connolly and were well in the AI Final before he came on. There was a thread on here debating whether he should feature in the final with a lot of people convinced that Dublin had enough competition for places as it was. To say that Dublin wouldn't have won the AI without him is a bit far fetched. When have you known this Dublin team not to get over the line with or without Connolly? Especially against Mayo
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 31/05/2018 10:02:24
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Probably best to watch them kick a ball in anger in the championship first.
Its always hard to know what Kerry bring at this time of year, Munster isn't really a great test and can be a great strength and weakness for them. Its not likely that any conclusion can be drawn until the S8's. Maybe i am doing Clare and Cork a disservice there. Kerry always seem to be in the latter stages of the championship but i think i am right in saying they haven't beaten a current Div 1 side in the championship since 2014.
After the league some fantastic talents, Burns, Cliffard and the Jewel in the crown O Shea for me, the adding of players who in absence should add a bit of depth and experience and they will surely be competitive. The lads i mentioned could be anything at this stage superstars in 3 months, or lads who need some more experience. They have a brilliant forward line on paper, but i felt after the league they lacked the foundation from the front six backwards, can they dominate a game midfield? Can the back line not be opened up? Can they get enough ball into the forward line? Can they match other teams for physicality and athleticism to go with the talent? I think this is what i was left with after the league. Yet i had the feeling that Kerry didnt show their full deck in the league.
Thankfully for Kerry i think most of the above is coachable, a defensive system would make them massively competitive and a strategy around bringing bodies into midfield when a game is the melting pot. Also flooding of lines to break forward is also becoming a strong trait amongst teams.
I think one and possibly two of the S8's groups will be a group of death, if all goes according to plan it will be Kerry, Galway more then likely, the shock results in Leinster last weekend haven't helped as a Tyrone or Mayo would fancy there chances against a Carlow or Laios. While its looking like Monghan or Donegal in the group depending on the qualifier. The same could happen on the opposite side of the draw to be fair. The competitive nature of a S8 group will dictate a semi and could have an early game with Dublin in a semi for any of those tams - im being very hubris there i know.
Last year and this year have been Dublin most vulnerable in my opinion, there has been so much transition in the panel, it was a great achievement to win the last year but we had very experienced cavalry to call upon that is reduced this year. that transition is still taking place, most probably wont have seen Dublin last weekend but there were five of last years all Ireland winning U21 team who got minutes. That a layer underneath the Con O Callaghans of this world who made the breakthrough last year. Dublin are transitioning and evolving playing a different style of hybrid football that for me is something new. I dont think we are as imperious as years gone by. That said we have supremely talented players and enough player with experience to be confident against anyone and i am confident int his team. i feel the gap is smaller however if one exists at all. In a 70 minute game with something at stake anyone can beat anyone, Fitzmaurice produced a tactical masterclass in the league final in 2017. Kerry will be preparing for Dubliin all year and have a plan in place, i think thats what unraveled them against Mayo last year, they had one eye on Dublin, i think Fitzmaurice would have learned that lesson well last year.
So not just Kerry, but fantastic opportunities for Galway, Mayo, Mongahan, Tyone this year for me.I also see big squads being developed with Kerry and Galway having great depth, that will help with the schedule and game management.
All to play for really.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 31/05/2018 10:50:24
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Honestly lads leave the yerra stuff to the experts.
It doesn't suit ye.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 31/05/2018 11:02:11
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Replying To TheHermit: "Honestly lads leave the yerra stuff to the experts.
It doesn't suit ye." Boring.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/05/2018 11:10:16
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