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Replying To Faithfull: "On this note why not have Antrim and Kerry playing out of Munster. Evens it up slightly more. The provinces are ruining the game. How much easier would it be if all 10 teams were put in a hat and 2 groups of 5 drawn out. Bottom team in each group in relegation final and winner of McDonagh cup comes up and it doesn't matter where you are in the Country." agree entirely with that. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 31/05/2018 15:27:49 2106007 Link
Replying To Faithfull: "On this note why not have Antrim and Kerry playing out of Munster. Evens it up slightly more. The provinces are ruining the game. How much easier would it be if all 10 teams were put in a hat and 2 groups of 5 drawn out. Bottom team in each group in relegation final and winner of McDonagh cup comes up and it doesn't matter where you are in the Country." Hopefully that's the way it will develop in time. But in the meantime, people shouldn't be so hung up on geography. The Tour de Italia started in Israel this year. The Tour de France had a stage in Ireland some years ago. Australia are participating in the Eurovision. Letting Kerry play in the Leinster championship if they win the McDonagh Cup is not breaking any mould. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 31/05/2018 15:46:52 2106015 Link
Replying To Faithfull: "No issue from me re: relegation. If Kerry win there is a playoff with bottom team in Munster, surely the same should apply in Leinster. If Carlow win it out and then beat the bottom team in Leinster then they deserve to come up." Isn't that the system they had in the league for a while and people were complaining about it? It was said it meant the top tier was a closed shop and the weaker counties could never progress. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 31/05/2018 16:43:54 2106036 Link
Replying To Faithfull: "On this note why not have Antrim and Kerry playing out of Munster. Evens it up slightly more. The provinces are ruining the game. How much easier would it be if all 10 teams were put in a hat and 2 groups of 5 drawn out. Bottom team in each group in relegation final and winner of McDonagh cup comes up and it doesn't matter where you are in the Country." Seriously Offaly wouldn't keep the ball pucked out to any of the five Munster teams, it's unfortunate for any team to get relegated but might be best thing for Offaly to go down, regroup and win a competitive Mc Donagh cup next year than stay in the Mc Carthy cup when they are struggling to win a game....... PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 31/05/2018 23:01:39 2106125 Link
This reminds me of the time that they decided that division 4 teams would not be allowed in the football qualifiers. When it was voted on at Congress, nobody really paid any attention to the result. It was only when the championship began and division 4 teams who lost in their provincial championship just then realised that their season was over that a fuss was made, and by then it was of course far too late. If the delegates from those counties were doing their job at congress, they would have made a fuss at the time and canvassed other delegates to ensure the motion was defeated. The big problem is that many delegates at congress are asleep at the wheel and are just there for the weekend away. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 01/06/2018 05:42:51 2106149 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Hopefully that's the way it will develop in time. But in the meantime, people shouldn't be so hung up on geography. The Tour de Italia started in Israel this year. The Tour de France had a stage in Ireland some years ago. Australia are participating in the Eurovision. Letting Kerry play in the Leinster championship if they win the McDonagh Cup is not breaking any mould." why shouldnt they play in the munster championship,where they are from? perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 01/06/2018 09:06:12 2106162 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Hopefully that's the way it will develop in time. But in the meantime, people shouldn't be so hung up on geography. The Tour de Italia started in Israel this year. The Tour de France had a stage in Ireland some years ago. Australia are participating in the Eurovision. Letting Kerry play in the Leinster championship if they win the McDonagh Cup is not breaking any mould." Why should we take Kerry? Go put them in Munster. They won't get any worse beating than Waterford got in a Munster final a few years ago, and would have got years ago. Do you think they would lose by less to Wexford/Kilkenny/Galway than they would to Tipp and Cork? Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 01/06/2018 10:18:51 2106191 Link
Replying To Canuck: "That did not take long for people to start jumping on Waterford's grave. So if Tipp, Galway, Kilkenny unfortunately lost two thirds of their teams they should be discussion for relegation? Do you think that would happen ? No disrespect to Offaly but what did Waterford do to them last year? Lets be honest there will always be protection for the elite few and nice to have the next few of the chasers for a bit of a challenge every year but do not do anything that will change the status co." Jumping on Waterford's grave?? The whole set up as it stands is offering protection to all the Munster teams. They can finish bottom in Munster and are safe unless Kerry win the Joe MacDonagh and even if Kerry win, they might be safe so a Munster team has a 1/6 chance of facing a relegation play-off whereas a Leinster team have a 5/6 chance of being relegated because there is no play-off. The fact that Waterford have 2/3 of their team injured is irrelevent, that is just the nature of the game. It is very unfortunate but that can't be a consideration. What Waterford did to Offaly last year is again irrelevant. This situation is about this year and the impact on nxt year for teams. Also, a number of people say Offaly deserve to be relegated because Wexford hammered them. What if Offaly beat Dublin by a point and Galway do the same the following week. Dublin will have lost ecvery match but all by small margins. Then you could have Waterford (I use Waterford as an example purely because they are the only Munster team that can end the round robin having lost every match) being well beaten in all matches but are safe. Can you say Waterford are that far ahead of Dublin? Finally, I fail to see how the system is fair to Kerry. Kerry win the Joe MacDonagh, deserve to celebrate their success but then have to turn around and face a play-off probably the week after. Whereas the reward for one of the 5 Leinster counties is promotion and getting to enjoy winning their All Ireland. It's not just inequitable on Offaly or Dublin this year and any of the Leinster teams any year, it is also very inequitable on Kerry. KK4Life (Kilkenny) - Posts: 56 - 01/06/2018 11:23:35 2106217 Link
This sort of mess is a reason why I don't want tiers in football. They are never done playing around with the tiers in hurling. Started out with 3 now we're up to 5. There's also this requirement to protect the big teams. Play around with stupid relegation rules to reduce the chance of a big team going down. Kerry have been screwed with this system to ensure there's always 5 teams in each group and that a big 5 Munster team are protected. Congress is a joke by the way. The multiple motions that get onto the floor indefinitely leads to these sort of messy situations. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 01/06/2018 11:34:09 2106219 Link
Finally, I fail to see how the system is fair to Kerry. Kerry win the Joe MacDonagh, deserve to celebrate their success but then have to turn around and face a play-off probably the week after. Whereas the reward for one of the 5 Leinster counties is promotion and getting to enjoy winning their All Ireland. It's not just inequitable on Offaly or Dublin this year and any of the Leinster teams any year, it is also very inequitable on Kerry. KK4Life (Kilkenny) - Posts: 40 - 01/06/2018 11:23:35 2106217 If Kerry win, they play the last placed team in Munster 2 hours after the Joe McDonagh cup final.......just to make sure the unthinkable doesn't happen. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 01/06/2018 14:17:23 2106279 Link
There are too many using the Kerry thing to divert from the truth about standards in Leinster. Do you really think any of the Munster 5 would be overly worried about having to play Kerry to stay in Munster? If Kerry are good enough to beat one of them and I wish they were, then surely a full compliment of 6 teams in Munster is the way forward. This is not about protecting munster teams or any teams but its about keeping teams with a realistic chance of competing at this level in the Liam Mcarty cup. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 01/06/2018 15:02:02 2106292 Link
They would probably run anybody as close as Waterford did in the Munster final a few years ago.....or Offaly ran Wexford last week....no? Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 01/06/2018 15:43:41 2106306 Link
it would suit munster and the over hype their championship and is symptomatic of the elitist attitude which prevails down there to try dump kerry into leinster. waterford would be a hurling wasteland but for they persisted through some bad years and bad beatings. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 01/06/2018 16:16:43 2106312 Link
All this talk of Offaly not deserving relegation when the inevitable happens seems to forgot Westmeath (who look favorites to win the McDonagh cup) hammered Offaly 2 years ago and lost via a late to Offaly last year. The snobbery of "traditional" counties is staggering. dakid (Australia) - Posts: 285 - 01/06/2018 16:35:42 2106315 Link
Replying To perfect10: "it would suit munster and the over hype their championship and is symptomatic of the elitist attitude which prevails down there to try dump kerry into leinster. waterford would be a hurling wasteland but for they persisted through some bad years and bad beatings." Another 'huge'crowd of 10,000 predicted in Wexford this weekend for the visit of the All Ireland champions who themselves could only muster 18000 for Kilkenny and their first Leinster championship game at home . That was sad. Meanwhile there 'll be 30000 in Cork. Theres no comparison between Munster and the rest of Ireland championship . PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 01/06/2018 18:48:14 2106337 Link
Replying To PeggyShippen: "Another 'huge'crowd of 10,000 predicted in Wexford this weekend for the visit of the All Ireland champions who themselves could only muster 18000 for Kilkenny and their first Leinster championship game at home . That was sad. Meanwhile there 'll be 30000 in Cork. Theres no comparison between Munster and the rest of Ireland championship ." where did you get that figure of 10k from?go on,give us a laugh. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 01/06/2018 20:38:23 2106350 Link
Replying To Faithfull: "On this note why not have Antrim and Kerry playing out of Munster. Evens it up slightly more. The provinces are ruining the game. How much easier would it be if all 10 teams were put in a hat and 2 groups of 5 drawn out. Bottom team in each group in relegation final and winner of McDonagh cup comes up and it doesn't matter where you are in the Country." Yeah bring Antrim whole way down to Munster........its painful to see but reality is for past few years that Offalys level is closer to Laois, Carlow than the Tipps, Galway, Corks etc......the bottom team in Leinster is definitely the weakest team in the McCarthy cup.....nothing to do with snobbery but reality PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 01/06/2018 21:00:18 2106354 Link
This thread is getting more depressing by the hour PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 01/06/2018 21:11:19 2106355 Link
I dont know anyone in Munster that would not want Kerry playing in the MHC except maybe Kerry hurlers themsleves. Thats not snobbery, just fact. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 01/06/2018 21:14:13 2106356 Link
Well there were posters on here posting about it but who reads hurling posts/topics anyway? The fact is if its a level playing field NO ONE can argue the outcome. Unfortunately we have different rules for different provinces, which is totally wrong. The FACT is those the threat of relegation produce better hurling or not in weaker counties? No it doesn't for the simple reason if a county like that is relegated the nuclear effect can be devastating on the sport in that county. ill thought out, unfair - typical GAA cock up. But it proves one thing, that the prawn cocktail county delegates are seduced by the wining and dining and as a result they fail the GAA repeatedly at every GAA National congress. Congress is a basket case and needs to be fixed too many BOF's representing counties to make any impact. Most importantly they don't do the right thing after this weekend some county is going to lose out big time. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 02/06/2018 00:36:28 2106392 Link