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why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now?
damien fitzhenry the latest-why?
the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday.
if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated.
the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then?
so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now?
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perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 30/05/2018 09:08:32
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Replying To perfect10: "why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now? damien fitzhenry the latest-why? the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday. if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated. the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then? so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now? link"
The Munster and Leinster Boards must be delighted with the round robin, the money they are pulling in is way above last year, therefore it is going to be hard to convince Munster especially to give up their provincial championship for a six team group competition.
Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 30/05/2018 10:31:08
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Replying To perfect10: "why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now? damien fitzhenry the latest-why? the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday. if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated. the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then? so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now? link"
80% of the time when people moan in the GAA it it about something everyone knew about, couldn't care less and then woke up when it impacted them.
And you wonder why GAA Administrators don't listen to these wise old hasbeens in the media
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 30/05/2018 10:52:59
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Replying To perfect10: "why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now? damien fitzhenry the latest-why? the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday. if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated. the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then? so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now? link"
Offaly do look like the most likely team to be relegated and after last weeks thrashing they should have few complaints. I think it would do them no harm if they were relegated. The McDonagh Cup champions deserve to be promoted and if a team isn't relegated to replace them if would leave a big hole in the McDonagh Cup competition so for to protect the authenticity of the lower competitions it is important that a team is relegated.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 30/05/2018 11:51:38
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The McDonagh Cup champions deserve to be promoted and if a team isn't relegated to replace them if would leave a big hole in the McDonagh Cup competition so for to protect the authenticity of the lower competitions it is important that a team is relegated.
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Agree with that PoolSturgeon.
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 30/05/2018 12:14:55
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: " Replying To perfect10: "why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now? damien fitzhenry the latest-why? the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday. if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated. the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then? so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now? link" Well the clamour was in full swing last week after Offaly's strong performance against Kilkenny. Eddie Brennan and the assembled sports journalists were all singing the same tune about it being wrong if Offaly were relegated. I'm sure Michael Duignan will have something to say on it too if it comes to pass. Offaly do look like the most likely team to be relegated and after last weeks thrashing they should have few complaints. I think it would do them no harm if they were relegated. The McDonagh Cup champions deserve to be promoted and if a team isn't relegated to replace them if would leave a big hole in the McDonagh Cup competition so for to protect the authenticity of the lower competitions it is important that a team is relegated."
any of the top 10 hurling counties getting relegated.
Its apparently much better for Offaly to be getting hammered in the championship
rather than playing at their level in the Mac Donagh cup.
And who do Westmeath or Carlow think they are anyway. They never won All-Irelands
thirty years ago so why should they be allowed join the club ?
carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 30/05/2018 12:42:04
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That is basically what they are saying carlovia.
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 30/05/2018 14:05:26
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Replying To Brian_Coyote: " Replying To perfect10: "why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now? damien fitzhenry the latest-why? the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday. if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated. the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then? so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now? link" From the start I believed it shuld have been and even number of teams and I still believe this. That way all the teams are playing on the same weekend and no team has the advantage of a rest week while others have four matches in a row. Four teams is too small. The Munster and Leinster Boards must be delighted with the round robin, the money they are pulling in is way above last year, therefore it is going to be hard to convince Munster especially to give up their provincial championship for a six team group competition."
The new format does nothing to improve the weaker counties anyway. The demands of the schedule have taken its toll on Offaly. That was clear to see against Wexford last Saturday. The players looked as if they were both mentally and physically drained.
Any team that gets beaten out the door by 24 points deserves to be relegated. However I feel Offaly were in a bad place on Saturday and with more time given would have given a much better account.
PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 30/05/2018 17:05:24
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The new format was badly thought out.
Offaly could still get tanked by Dublin lose all 4 of their games and stay up if Kerry win the Joe McDonagh cup. That'd be a real farce as Kerry would have to playoff to qualify for Munster. If they did imagine the furore if say Clare were relegated.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 30/05/2018 19:49:19
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The best Hurling season I can come up with would involve linking league and the Provincial championships into the wider All Ireland.
League would have 4 tiers of 10, 10, 8 and 7.
Provincial championships would be straight knockout and only involve teams actually from their Province. No Galway, Kerry, Antrim or London in Leinster again.
The All Ireland series would have 16 teams.
Leinster and Munster finalists
Ulster champions
Galway
Previous seasons Christy Ring champion
9 remaining teams based on league ratings.
The 16 teams would be seeded into 4 pots:
A seeds: Leinster and Munster champions plus 2 teams based on league positions.
B seeds: 4 teams based on league ratings plus and a Leinster or Munster finalist not among the A seeds.
C seeds: Next 4 based on league positions.
D seeds: worst 4 qualifiers based on league positions.
Round 1: C seeds v D seeds
Round 2: B seeds v winner round 1
Quarterfinals: A seeds v round 2 winners
Christy Ring cup played among remaining counties for a place in the following years All Ireland.
Every team gets a competitive league competition that counts towards championship.
You'd have in the 1st round games like Antrim v Offaly, Carlow v Dublin, Westmeath v Laois.
2nd round you'd roughly have the 5th-8th best teams joining. There'd be stiff competition in division 1 and the Provincial championships to avoid that.
The Leinster and Munster champions plus the 2 best of the rest get a bye and seeded in the quarterfinals.
Lots of good competitive hurling. Provincial championships become more traditional and retain a link to the All Ireland Series.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 30/05/2018 20:34:01
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Replying To perfect10: "why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now? damien fitzhenry the latest-why? the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday. if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated. the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then? so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now? link"
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 30/05/2018 21:51:15
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Replying To Whammo86: "The new format was badly thought out.
Offaly could still get tanked by Dublin lose all 4 of their games and stay up if Kerry win the Joe McDonagh cup. That'd be a real farce as Kerry would have to playoff to qualify for Munster. If they did imagine the furore if say Clare were relegated." The 5 strong counties of Munster have to be in the Liam McCarthy. The main flaw in the current system is the requirement for Kerry, in the event that they win the McDonagh Cup, to play and beat the 5th placed team from the Munster round robin. Kerry have played in the preliminary round of the Leinster championship for the past few years so what's the issue with them playing in the Leinster championship proper if they win the McDonagh Cup? It cannot be denied that the 5th placed team in Leinster is the weakest team playing in the McCarthy Cup and the team being promoted from McDonagh should be replacing the weakest team.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 30/05/2018 22:02:40
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It is poorly thought out but at the same time, it is only for 3 years. Personally, I think if Kerry win the Joe McDonagh cup they should be allowed in to the Munster championship without a 2nd question being asked.
I don't see either why Offaly feel they deserve special treatment. As I have always said, I take not the slightest pleasure at Offaly's plight but they haven't been competitive at underage for years and the chickens have come home to roost unfortunately. We were where they are now a few years ago and put the head down and fought our way back,
Is the HDC now defunct? I didn't hear a peep out of them.
The GAA should not change the rules now - it might make people sit up and pay attention to what congress is agreeing, we currently have a situation where people think "ah that's terrible, how was that agreed, now we should kick up a fuss and get it changed". It happens with the league every year.......
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 31/05/2018 09:10:21
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No forward planning at all as per usual by those making the calls on hurling structures.
In principle I think the two "Provincial" groups are a good idea, but I can see it being the precursor to an open championship once the county boards realise they don't need the Provincial championships for gate money.
On the relegation issue, picking out the weakest in Leinster is arrogance of the highest order and short sighted.
IF Offaly are to be bottom of the Leinster group and that's far from certain as I think they could turn over the Dubs alright but then why not allow the bottom of the two groups to play off to see who goes down.
I could see Dublin or Offaly beating Waterford who haven't had their sorrows to seek in Munster and whoever comes out of the Joe McDonagh goes into whatever group the team that gets relegated came out of, hence my second comment on these groupings losing their provincial moniker as time goes on.
Extending both groups to 6 is the logical step but then the Munster Council would only be happy if that team was Kerry and that's far from guaranteed.
bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 31/05/2018 10:16:47
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In fairness it should have been the case that the bottom team in Leinster plays off against the bottom team in Munster to see who's relegated. Almost certainly that would lead to the same outcome in that Offaly will be relegated but at least there's equity between the provinces in that scenario. The down side of course is that in theory it might mean if say Waterford were to lose to Offaly and Carlow won Joe McDonagh, that Carlow would end up in Munster next year but sure so what I say. It's not as if we have a great tradition in Leinster like say Kilkenny or Wexford so let it be the novelty would be interesting anyway.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 31/05/2018 11:37:31
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Well Geography was never a GAA strongpoint.........Carlow in Munster would be no different to Galway/Antrim in Leinster, Kerry in Leinster, or New York or London in Connacht.......
Farcical.
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 31/05/2018 12:06:49
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Replying To perfect10: "why does everybody seem to have an opinion on the hurling relegation situation now? damien fitzhenry the latest-why? the calls will be amplified if offaly beat dublin on sunday. if wexford were in the relegation (and up to last saturday,it could not be ruled out),i hope we would have accepted it and moved on....like we did when frank murphy got the league structure changed a few years ago and we got relegated. the rules were agreed by congress,where was the chorus back then? so instead of making changes now,counties should ask themselves where they were when the rules were agreed,and why did the let the changes go through without a whimper?not even a mention about this when it was agreed.....why the clamour now? link"
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 31/05/2018 12:07:16
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That did not take long for people to start jumping on Waterford's grave. So if Tipp, Galway, Kilkenny unfortunately lost two thirds of their teams they should be discussion for relegation? Do you think that would happen ? No disrespect to Offaly but what did Waterford do to them last year? Lets be honest there will always be protection for the elite few and nice to have the next few of the chasers for a bit of a challenge every year but do not do anything that will change the status co.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 31/05/2018 14:11:02
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No issue from me re: relegation. If Kerry win there is a playoff with bottom team in Munster, surely the same should apply in Leinster. If Carlow win it out and then beat the bottom team in Leinster then they deserve to come up.
Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 31/05/2018 14:50:54
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Replying To Pinkie: "Well Geography was never a GAA strongpoint.........Carlow in Munster would be no different to Galway/Antrim in Leinster, Kerry in Leinster, or New York or London in Connacht.......
Farcical." On this note why not have Antrim and Kerry playing out of Munster. Evens it up slightly more.
The provinces are ruining the game. How much easier would it be if all 10 teams were put in a hat and 2 groups of 5 drawn out. Bottom team in each group in relegation final and winner of McDonagh cup comes up and it doesn't matter where you are in the Country.
Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 31/05/2018 14:54:59
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