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Tyrone in 00s v Dublin in the 10s

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Tyrone won 2 of their 3 all irelands via the back door. But I think that in 2008, they were unlucky enough to get drawn away to down and go out in the first round in ulster. They would more than likely have gone the front door otherwise. Having said that, they were a great spirited team back then and compensated during borderline years by the fight that saw them over the line.

Dublin on the other hand are a different machine. They tick all the boxes and are winning all irelands via the front door. I would say that they are probably the best ever football team for this reason as the demands on players to be consistently good are enormous. There is much less time and space involved in the game due to evolution and this makes the demands of being at the top every year a huge commitment.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 02/05/2018 15:46:52    2096257

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Tyrone won 2 of their 3 all irelands via the back door. But I think that in 2008, they were unlucky enough to get drawn away to down and go out in the first round in ulster. They would more than likely have gone the front door otherwise. Having said that, they were a great spirited team back then and compensated during borderline years by the fight that saw them over the line.

Dublin on the other hand are a different machine. They tick all the boxes and are winning all irelands via the front door. I would say that they are probably the best ever football team for this reason as the demands on players to be consistently good are enormous. There is much less time and space involved in the game due to evolution and this makes the demands of being at the top every year a huge commitment."
I've never understood the backdoor argument for diminishing a team's success. It's a bit like saying that current champions league winners are less deserving than European Cup winners in the in 1980s, as nowadays the eventual winners might lose a group game or two in October.

Teams plan and play according to the rules that are in place at the time. As the team got older, Tyrone tailored their training towards August as opposed to May, a bit like Mayo did last year. Dublin, Kerry and all the other serious contenders do this too. Who wants to be flying in May when you know you'll have a second chance, only to have gone off the boil by the time it's actually do or die in late summer.

I mean, leaving Tyrone to one side, are we seriously saying that Cork would have hammered Kerry in Munster finals of 06, 08 or the 09 semi had there been no backdoor? Of course not. The best team wins the AI every year, irrespective of the route they take to get there.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 02/05/2018 16:01:19    2096259

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Correct and right Thomas Clarke.

Throwing the back door argument at teams is actually a far weaker argument than saying Dublin are undeserving winners in the past few years because of the non existence of a decent opponent in Leinster. (Which isn't a strong argument either before anyone reacts!)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 02/05/2018 16:18:23    2096265

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Tyrone won 2 of their 3 all irelands via the back door. But I think that in 2008, they were unlucky enough to get drawn away to down and go out in the first round in ulster. They would more than likely have gone the front door otherwise. Having said that, they were a great spirited team back then and compensated during borderline years by the fight that saw them over the line.

Dublin on the other hand are a different machine. They tick all the boxes and are winning all irelands via the front door. I would say that they are probably the best ever football team for this reason as the demands on players to be consistently good are enormous. There is much less time and space involved in the game due to evolution and this makes the demands of being at the top every year a huge commitment."
There is more time and space nowadays because teams don't go man to man.

So long as you're not trying to take a man on, you tend to have plenty of time and space in posession.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 02/05/2018 16:22:32    2096266

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Replying To cavanman47:  "There is more time and space nowadays because teams don't go man to man.

So long as you're not trying to take a man on, you tend to have plenty of time and space in posession."
Not true. There is much less time and space on the crucial areas of the pitch. The scoring areas that is. That being said, even short kickouts are being contested and squeezed now so the areas of significance on the pitch for play are being further broadened leaving the lateral handpassing area even smaller.
A team from the past to try and compete against any modern team by going traditional, man to man, would face an impossible task imo as they would get eaten alive on the counter and be turned over in the tackle like an u17. That's not even mentioning speed.
Thomas Clarke made a very good point re back door but in my estimation, if you win 6 or 7 games in a row from the start you are most likely in a different league. Granted, Tyrone made up significantly for this in 08 with their croke park performances.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 02/05/2018 17:29:07    2096284

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If the game was played now Dublin would win, if it was played then Tyrone would win. Two best teams of their era, can we move on now

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 02/05/2018 17:39:59    2096286

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