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Replying To Dubh_linn: "They didn't need to play kerry in Omagh to beat ye. ;D" Ya we played each other in a neutral venue ;-) KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/04/2018 22:32:06 2095188 Link
That was an awesome Tyrone team as are present day Dublin. It would be tit for tat. Even. salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 26/04/2018 23:14:16 2095193 Link
It sums up how hopeless Dublin's modern rivals all are when non-Dubs are reduced to dreaming about teams from the past. Though I agree with KingdomBoy1 that the current Kerry team would have struggled against the 00s Kerry team. Current Tyrone team just doesn't have the game-turning natural ability the older team had. Brennan is a classy old style player, but the current Tyrone team is competent rather than inspirational. And they're too clean as well. Of course it suits the Dubs to hype up their rivals, but being as objective as I can about it, I don't think any of the other main contenders teams are viewed as legends in their own counties. Bit unfair on Dublin as no doubt they would develop further if they were up against more. A factor, in the development of the Tyrone 00s team was the very existence of fantastic, ruthless teams like Kerry and Armagh; and I don't see that any of Dublin's rivals have the quality and winning mentality to push Dublin to the same degree. We may never have the true measure of this Dublin team. I think there's more in them, but standards elsewhere have dropped a bit. Tyrone 00s would beat the current Kerry team. Just as Kerry 00s would beat the current Tyrone side. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 26/04/2018 23:37:53 2095197 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "I'd rate the Kerry mayo team now as good as Tyrone then. But Dublin are just that far ahead they make others look ordinary. Tyrone of 00 would have been on par with mayo now, but would they have beaten dubs of now? I don't think so. Even my own county of 90s would struggle, even with likes of fay Geraghty Giles Kelly. But we will never know." Complete nonsense. The present Kerry team are nowhere close to the Kerry team who played Tyrone in the AI. My money would be on the Tyrone team to win. The won out of Ulster when 4 different teams in a row in that province won Ai's - that has never happened in any province previously. Unfortunately in Leinster there is presently no team anywhere near the standard of the excellent Dublin team. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 27/04/2018 01:13:18 2095199 Link
I think we've discussed this in depth on here before, hypothetical whirly gig, for what its worth, I think we'd be to pacey for that Tyrone side at our best. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 27/04/2018 02:02:43 2095201 Link
I suppose the best way to reply is that this Dublin team could not careless wants behind them, only what's in front of them! witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 27/04/2018 08:39:51 2095213 Link
So basically we only win cause of money BUT also every team is brutal now aswell ha. The mayo and Donegal players of this era are legends in their county. Who was good in the 00's? Apart from Kerry and Tyrone ? And Kerry as good as they were couldn't beat the only other good team of that era, so you can always say teams aren't good but it's bs to put this Dublin team down right now. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 27/04/2018 10:06:25 2095221 Link
I have to go with the current Dubs side for their sheer consistency and ability in tight finals to get the job done. I think Mayo would have at least one AI if it weren't for this Dublin side. Tyrone were a fine side as were Kerry of the 00s but I don't think they would best this Dublin side. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 27/04/2018 10:11:08 2095223 Link
Gormley is right Tyrone of the 00's would challenge But the way Dublin setup now. Tyrones tactical advantage of the 00's wouldn't have anywhere near the same impact where teams walked right into their trap. Tyrone of the 00's are nowhere near as consistent, they lost in Ulster twice to win through the backdoor, any other decade they'd have won 1 title, they never reached back to back finals, quite average and losing convincingly when attempting to defend a title, they were relegated from NFL Div 1. Tyrone of the 00's could have beaten Dublin like Mayo/Donegal have done this decade, but not on a consistent basis and no doubt Dublin would have won the war in my book! The evidence is there in black and white - no assumptions required at all. Tyrone lost plenty of games back in the 00's against sides that are nowhere near Dublin's current level. Sure a Dubs side equaling their worst AI finals appearance record across a decade managed a draw against Tyrone in 2005.... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/04/2018 10:48:42 2095233 Link
Would agree that for pure determination and consistency Dublin would have an edge over both Kerry and Tyrone. Dublin are the best prepared side to ever grace a football pitch in my view and much of their success is built on meticulous preparation as well as having exceptional footballers. I wonder if they had even a very good manager would they be as dominant as they are, Gavin really is something else. I think by the time he is finished he will be held above O'Dwyer in many peoples eyes. As much as he is lauded, I think his contribution is often understated. Looking at the teamsheets of all three teams you'd have to say there is not a lot between them in terms of talent, but the highly tuned system that Dublin play separates them from the others. That said, things were a lot simpler back on the 00's and sports science wasn't really a big factor so really we are comparing apples with oranges. If Kerry now had Moynihan, the O'Se's, Galvin, Gooch and the others at their peak and implemented modern training techniques and tactics I don't know what way it would go, same with Tyrone. I couldn't see Dublin dominating both but who knows. It's an impossible question to answer, but an interesting one all the same. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/04/2018 12:03:01 2095255 Link
This Dublin team would have enjoyed tussling with great teams of the 2005 era. Tyrone, Kerry and Armagh from that period are ahead of anything in the current period. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 27/04/2018 12:13:35 2095259 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Would agree that for pure determination and consistency Dublin would have an edge over both Kerry and Tyrone. Dublin are the best prepared side to ever grace a football pitch in my view and much of their success is built on meticulous preparation as well as having exceptional footballers. I wonder if they had even a very good manager would they be as dominant as they are, Gavin really is something else. I think by the time he is finished he will be held above O'Dwyer in many peoples eyes. As much as he is lauded, I think his contribution is often understated. Looking at the teamsheets of all three teams you'd have to say there is not a lot between them in terms of talent, but the highly tuned system that Dublin play separates them from the others. That said, things were a lot simpler back on the 00's and sports science wasn't really a big factor so really we are comparing apples with oranges. If Kerry now had Moynihan, the O'Se's, Galvin, Gooch and the others at their peak and implemented modern training techniques and tactics I don't know what way it would go, same with Tyrone. I couldn't see Dublin dominating both but who knows. It's an impossible question to answer, but an interesting one all the same." And if this Dubs side were around in the 00's instead of the the record equalling worst Dubs side of all time! I couldn't see Tyrone or Kerry winning as much as they did if I'm honest. Still two great sides but both sides prospered greatly off the back of far weaker Mayo and Dublin sides on their way to multiple titles and finals. Current Dubs and Mayo sides would have made life far more difficult indeed. No more cake walk victories. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/04/2018 12:34:59 2095263 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "And if this Dubs side were around in the 00's instead of the the record equalling worst Dubs side of all time! I couldn't see Tyrone or Kerry winning as much as they did if I'm honest. Still two great sides but both sides prospered greatly off the back of far weaker Mayo and Dublin sides on their way to multiple titles and finals. Current Dubs and Mayo sides would have made life far more difficult indeed. No more cake walk victories." Without a doubt. You'd be looking at a couple of titles each I'd imagine but it's a hypothetical question of course. As I stated above, I wouldn't hold mayo up with the others simply due to the fact that they haven't managed to win one and they lack the elite forwards that every great team has had. I know Moran is POTY and was brilliant last year but over his career I don't think he is up there with the really great forwards like O'Neill, Canavan, Gooch, Brogan, Joyce and McDonnell. I don't think history will remember Mayo as a great team, just my two cents. If they win it this year then maybe. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/04/2018 12:45:42 2095268 Link
Maybe not the Mayo forwards but.. I personally think the current Mayo defense is better and certainly on par with the Kerry or Tyrone equivalent across the 00's For me the best bunch of defenders never to win an AI - they are as good as it gets as a defensive unit seen across the last 30 years and their consistency is there for all to see. Mayo cannot be considered a great side yet I agree but you have to put them right up there as they are a more consistent side compared to Tyrone in the 00's who couldn't reach back to back finals. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/04/2018 13:53:21 2095288 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Maybe not the Mayo forwards but.. I personally think the current Mayo defense is better and certainly on par with the Kerry or Tyrone equivalent across the 00's For me the best bunch of defenders never to win an AI - they are as good as it gets as a defensive unit seen across the last 30 years and their consistency is there for all to see. Mayo cannot be considered a great side yet I agree but you have to put them right up there as they are a more consistent side compared to Tyrone in the 00's who couldn't reach back to back finals." Would Tyrone be considered great if Kerry were good enough at the time to beat them? Dublin can beat their nearest and greatest rival hence why you consider Mayo not being great. Kerry allowed Tyrone to become great by losing to them! Dublin have not been so kind to Mayo. Just about!!!! That's to Dublin's credit. Kerry not being capable of beating teams that really put it up to them in the 00's casts a long shadow on that particular Kerry teams legacy. We haven't allowed Mayo to become great. Can you say the same about Tyrone in the 00's? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/04/2018 14:14:33 2095291 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Maybe not the Mayo forwards but.. I personally think the current Mayo defense is better and certainly on par with the Kerry or Tyrone equivalent across the 00's For me the best bunch of defenders never to win an AI - they are as good as it gets as a defensive unit seen across the last 30 years and their consistency is there for all to see. Mayo cannot be considered a great side yet I agree but you have to put them right up there as they are a more consistent side compared to Tyrone in the 00's who couldn't reach back to back finals." Yeah numbers 1-7 they are as good as it gets. I really don't think you can put them as a team in the same bracket as multiple All Ireland winners like Dublin, Tyrone and Kerry though, who had too class players in every line from back to front. They are just not at that level for me, and time is running out for them to find the holy grail. I really hope they do it this year, but I suspect their chance has passed. Apologies for rambling off topic. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/04/2018 14:14:51 2095292 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Yeah numbers 1-7 they are as good as it gets. I really don't think you can put them as a team in the same bracket as multiple All Ireland winners like Dublin, Tyrone and Kerry though, who had too class players in every line from back to front. They are just not at that level for me, and time is running out for them to find the holy grail. I really hope they do it this year, but I suspect their chance has passed. Apologies for rambling off topic." No need to apologise You always contribute posts worth reading and responding to in a manner which creates proper debate rather than slagging matches. Although that time you questioned my football knowledge was a bit unfounded IMO ;) haha jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/04/2018 14:23:26 2095295 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Would Tyrone be considered great if Kerry were good enough at the time to beat them? Dublin can beat their nearest and greatest rival hence why you consider Mayo not being great. Kerry allowed Tyrone to become great by losing to them! Dublin have not been so kind to Mayo. Just about!!!! That's to Dublin's credit. Kerry not being capable of beating teams that really put it up to them in the 00's casts a long shadow on that particular Kerry teams legacy. We haven't allowed Mayo to become great. Can you say the same about Tyrone in the 00's?" Not sure who you are aiming that at but it's a valid POV, I think Mayo would have struggled to get over the line with that forward line no matter when they played though. I don't know if they would have had more success playing at another time but it's possible. Tyrone brought a new tactical approach in 2003 that Kerry just couldn't deal with at that time, it was a bit like what happened to ye v Donegal in 2014, but ye reacted much better. We weren't far away in 2005 and if Gooch hadn't have gotten injured early in that game when he was playing out of his skin who knows. They beat us well in 2008 when we were going for the three in a row. If we had met them other years I am sure we would have managed to beat them at some stage. Look, they are the three best teams since the turn of the millennium and we shouldn't need to pick one over the other. If I had to call it I think as a team Dublin would have the edge but very little in it really. Trying to pick a best 15 between the three would be fun! GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/04/2018 14:42:11 2095299 Link
I agree on your points there 5 from each to start it off and then see if you could tweak it. Gormley is right. Its just that he's left out a lot of variables to his theory but fair fecks to him! But in a best of 5 I'd back Dublin all day long. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/04/2018 14:50:51 2095301 Link
Even in that relatively short period of time the game has moved on. The pace of the game today is phenomenal. I don't think the Tyrone team of that period would live with the Dublin/Mayo teams of the last few years. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 27/04/2018 15:03:37 2095305 Link