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Though Monaghan has some players step up yesterday that i didn't think had it in them. McAnaspie and McCarron who had gone off the boil recently had great games. O'Connell back in his best spot rather than midfield helped too. There just seemed to be a general willingness to take Tyrone and the game on. There were a couple of times the final ball let them down but thats stuff to work on.

Tyrone looked leaderless dare i say, but Burns is some players. They looked a yard off the pace too as if they hadn't fully converted the gym work onto the field. I'm just amazed lately at the bulk some of these players are carrying and still lasting the distance.

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 407 - 21/05/2018 13:44:39    2102645

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They should scrap the current format and get people in who know what they're doing like Dara O'Cinnéide and the team he had over on TG4 for Seó Spóirt. That was a proper GAA programme with no gimmicks or spoofers with agendas,

I don't understand how hard it can be? It's like RTE go out of their way to be gimmicky and controversial when they should just keep it simple. Present and analyse the games that are in front of them properly every Sunday night.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6298 - 21/05/2018 15:36:03    2102694

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "They should scrap the current format and get people in who know what they're doing like Dara O'Cinnéide and the team he had over on TG4 for Seó Spóirt. That was a proper GAA programme with no gimmicks or spoofers with agendas,

I don't understand how hard it can be? It's like RTE go out of their way to be gimmicky and controversial when they should just keep it simple. Present and analyse the games that are in front of them properly every Sunday night."
I'm fairly tolerant but to see Spillane launch into a prepared script last night on the way to 'fix' the champoionship was failry sickening alright. He was reading it from a page and bullied his way to the end of it. Shocking that the 'pundits' are faciliated in using the programme as a platform for their own agendas.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 69 - 21/05/2018 16:19:09    2102720

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I've seen McManus do some incredible things in the Ulster Championship but his performances beyond the provincials leave me unsure as to how you would rate him overall. He really seems to struggle to score from play in Croke Park. Maybe the Super 8 setup is exactly what he needs.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 191 - 21/05/2018 19:22:36    2102778

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "They should scrap the current format and get people in who know what they're doing like Dara O'Cinnéide and the team he had over on TG4 for Seó Spóirt. That was a proper GAA programme with no gimmicks or spoofers with agendas,

I don't understand how hard it can be? It's like RTE go out of their way to be gimmicky and controversial when they should just keep it simple. Present and analyse the games that are in front of them properly every Sunday night."
I agree 100% man. They're doing the whole sport harm imo.

I haven't watched the Sunday Game night time show in years and I'll only watch the actual game on the Live Show. Much more enjoyable.

Met a few today talking about the Spillabe rant rather than McManus' point or even Dessie Mone's lovely effort.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12360 - 21/05/2018 20:14:50    2102792

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Stubborn as a mule. ;)
Look there wasn't much between the two teams. Injuries played a part but Monaghan were very slightly better. Hard to know where Tyrone are. Fully fit we would be there or there abouts. Super 8's will be interesting...if we make it"
Excuses....nothing to do with fitness of Tyrone players. Monaghan had a better bench so Malachy didn't risk players that not fully fit ie Boyle is now our first choice full back & didn't come off the bench, while Walsh our captain just appeared for the closing minutes & showed his class, as did young McCarthy.

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 21/05/2018 21:10:29    2102818

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Replying To greatpoint:  "I've seen McManus do some incredible things in the Ulster Championship but his performances beyond the provincials leave me unsure as to how you would rate him overall. He really seems to struggle to score from play in Croke Park. Maybe the Super 8 setup is exactly what he needs."
Check your facts......McManus has managed some fantastic scores in Croker...he just didn't have the back up...but thankfully he does now !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 21/05/2018 21:25:53    2102823

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I agree 100% man. They're doing the whole sport harm imo.

I haven't watched the Sunday Game night time show in years and I'll only watch the actual game on the Live Show. Much more enjoyable.

Met a few today talking about the Spillabe rant rather than McManus' point or even Dessie Mone's lovely effort."
Fair enough they can commentate on a game whether you like it or not (I don't like it most of the time) but why are they asked how do we fix what's wrong with the game? And they then precede to tell us because they know everything. It's be grand if the gaa ignored them like they should bit they have listened in the past and I'm afraid they will in going forward too and then they'll moan about how the rule change isn't working and how things should be fixed. Since the gaa was founded football has always been 15 v 15 and no Sunday game panelist should be allowed influence the game enough to change that

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 837 - 21/05/2018 21:44:53    2102829

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The Sunday Game is a joke but then again RTE in general is a joke as well, that we are forced to pay a licence fee to subsidise this rubbish is sickening, and they have advertising revenue as well, Pat is right about one thing, it is all about money, they did not show Mc manus's great point in the highlights of the match, showed it later in 'further' highlights whatever the idea of that is,
as for Pat's ranting about Donegal I think he'd need a few sessions with a good psychiatrist to figure out what's going on in that head of his, he'd put Brolly to shame at times, I think he began his rant with 'I was talking to...' classic Brolly opener."
I'm thinking of getting a bingo page going of people whi Joe Brolly was talking to.
RTE are a joke and the radio is worse because although Sky might keep the TV crowd somewhat on its toes the radio have no competitor for the next 4 years.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 283 - 21/05/2018 21:45:37    2102831

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Fair enough they can commentate on a game whether you like it or not (I don't like it most of the time) but why are they asked how do we fix what's wrong with the game? And they then precede to tell us because they know everything. It's be grand if the gaa ignored them like they should bit they have listened in the past and I'm afraid they will in going forward too and then they'll moan about how the rule change isn't working and how things should be fixed. Since the gaa was founded football has always been 15 v 15 and no Sunday game panelist should be allowed influence the game enough to change that"
They should leave the 'state of the game' talk for the off season and actually try and analyse the winning and losing of the games.

I'm not trying to say that there should be complete cheerleading of the game but just more time dedicated to talking about the actual match. If it was a bad match say it was a bad match fair enough but still go through the winning of it rather than using it to go on a rant about how it is indicative of the death of football. Or even worse using a good match to still go on a rant about how terrible all the other games supposedly were!

Not all games are classics and never were.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12360 - 21/05/2018 21:57:35    2102837

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Replying To greatpoint:  "I've seen McManus do some incredible things in the Ulster Championship but his performances beyond the provincials leave me unsure as to how you would rate him overall. He really seems to struggle to score from play in Croke Park. Maybe the Super 8 setup is exactly what he needs."
Conor mc Manus scored 12 pts against Dublin in Croke Park in a titanic division 1 battle in Feb 2016. Dublin won that match by means of a dubious penalty and an injury time point.

expat345 (Monaghan) - Posts: 23 - 21/05/2018 22:24:30    2102842

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Replying To MesAmis:  "They should leave the 'state of the game' talk for the off season and actually try and analyse the winning and losing of the games.

I'm not trying to say that there should be complete cheerleading of the game but just more time dedicated to talking about the actual match. If it was a bad match say it was a bad match fair enough but still go through the winning of it rather than using it to go on a rant about how it is indicative of the death of football. Or even worse using a good match to still go on a rant about how terrible all the other games supposedly were!

Not all games are classics and never were."
Exactly the Tyrone monaghan game was enjoyable and proved that you can play defensive football and still have good attacking football if the players are good enough

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 837 - 21/05/2018 22:25:41    2102845

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Replying To MesAmis:  "They should leave the 'state of the game' talk for the off season and actually try and analyse the winning and losing of the games.

I'm not trying to say that there should be complete cheerleading of the game but just more time dedicated to talking about the actual match. If it was a bad match say it was a bad match fair enough but still go through the winning of it rather than using it to go on a rant about how it is indicative of the death of football. Or even worse using a good match to still go on a rant about how terrible all the other games supposedly were!

Not all games are classics and never were."
Just want to divert this back to original thread - that is the actual game.
It reminded me of the Tyrone Dublin game last year, Tyrone mostly stood off Monaghan apart from accidental collisions,
They tried to shepherd them out of the scoring zone. When they eventually did tackle the ref seemed so confused he called a free against them. But Monaghan used a high level of pressure from the start which is fair enough and so the ref judged them on that level. This is not a complaint against the ref, just an observation on tactics.

Hypo (UK) - Posts: 7 - 21/05/2018 23:40:54    2102858

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Replying To Hypo:  "Just want to divert this back to original thread - that is the actual game.
It reminded me of the Tyrone Dublin game last year, Tyrone mostly stood off Monaghan apart from accidental collisions,
They tried to shepherd them out of the scoring zone. When they eventually did tackle the ref seemed so confused he called a free against them. But Monaghan used a high level of pressure from the start which is fair enough and so the ref judged them on that level. This is not a complaint against the ref, just an observation on tactics."
Fair enough. We're actually kinda doing what we're giving out about!

Great win for Monaghan in anyways. Very impressive finish to the game. They've improved their squad from previous years I think.

Odds on for Ulster now for me.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12360 - 22/05/2018 09:28:54    2102899

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Very enjoyable game between two very good sides. The goal for Monaghan was a massive score and even though Tyrone did draw level with 10 minutes left, they always looked the likely winners. Monaghan really look like they mean business this year, they are just so comfortable with their style of play, great defence and some excellent attacking play. This was the best I have ever seen Ryan McAnespie play and Darren Hughes had a great game. Not much I can add about Conor McManus, really wonderful player.

I thought Tyrone were unlucky in that a few of their key players were not match fit. However I would worry about their style of play being very one-dimensional, trying to run the ball all the time and no kick passing to the inside forwards. Donegal played a similar style under Rory Gallagher and it worked against inferior teams but came unstuck against the top sides. It is a hard game plan to sustain for a full 70 plus minutes, constantly having to make lung bursting runs. It also is a graveyard for corner forwards as they just don't get the ball. I felt sorry for Ronan O'Neill, didn't get a ball played into him, same for Lee Brennan - what are they supposed to do? I still fancy Tyrone to make the Super 8s and it then becomes a new competition, so all is not lost. They could end up going further than Monaghan.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1391 - 22/05/2018 12:02:20    2102972

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Very enjoyable game between two very good sides. The goal for Monaghan was a massive score and even though Tyrone did draw level with 10 minutes left, they always looked the likely winners. Monaghan really look like they mean business this year, they are just so comfortable with their style of play, great defence and some excellent attacking play. This was the best I have ever seen Ryan McAnespie play and Darren Hughes had a great game. Not much I can add about Conor McManus, really wonderful player.

I thought Tyrone were unlucky in that a few of their key players were not match fit. However I would worry about their style of play being very one-dimensional, trying to run the ball all the time and no kick passing to the inside forwards. Donegal played a similar style under Rory Gallagher and it worked against inferior teams but came unstuck against the top sides. It is a hard game plan to sustain for a full 70 plus minutes, constantly having to make lung bursting runs. It also is a graveyard for corner forwards as they just don't get the ball. I felt sorry for Ronan O'Neill, didn't get a ball played into him, same for Lee Brennan - what are they supposed to do? I still fancy Tyrone to make the Super 8s and it then becomes a new competition, so all is not lost. They could end up going further than Monaghan."
According to Sean Kavanagh on RTE , his brother Colm should have been on for the entire game "Colm (going off) was a huge blow to the team," he told Game On on RTÉ 2fm.

"Obviously Mickey thought a change was what was needed and maybe Declan McClure was going to bring a more attacking threat to the game,"

"I've seen Colm play more than anyone and I know he's capable of playing a very attacking game.

And he knows Colm better than anyone else.

Anyway our first choice (not fully fit) players (Boyle & Walsh) were not played from the start because we have a stronger bench than Tyrone so no excuses !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 22/05/2018 21:56:04    2103136

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Replying To tyroneed:  "Tyrone could probably do with Frank Mc Guigan at Full Forward but his best years are behind him. And so it is with Mickey Harte.

He was excellent as a manager during the noughties but he just isn't a top manager anymore. Most people retire at some stage in their 60s and there is no shame in it.

If you are managing a top team you'd be happy at this stage to go up against a Mickey Harte team because you know exactly how they are going to setup, you know they'll stick rigidly to formation even if losing, you know it will be pot luck with their frees, you know you'll keep possession from your kickouts because they won't push up, you know they'll have no strategy for getting goals, and you know they'll stick stubbornly to all of it in the face of any criticism."
We have no plan b, mickey refuses to change anythink after the dubs put us to shame last year for him to say his game plan was the right one then the powers to be should have said times up. On sunday the best team won how can anyone one say tht playing 2 sweepers is the right game plan any team that has given dublin a game have done so going toe to toe with them this year will be dublin an mayo again with a poor kerry team (by kerry standards) next best super 8s only means more money for croke park. Mickey has done wonders but his day is over for sake of tyrone football he needs to step aside.

hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 23/05/2018 15:43:30    2103310

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Replying To hoopman:  "We have no plan b, mickey refuses to change anythink after the dubs put us to shame last year for him to say his game plan was the right one then the powers to be should have said times up. On sunday the best team won how can anyone one say tht playing 2 sweepers is the right game plan any team that has given dublin a game have done so going toe to toe with them this year will be dublin an mayo again with a poor kerry team (by kerry standards) next best super 8s only means more money for croke park. Mickey has done wonders but his day is over for sake of tyrone football he needs to step aside."
Looks like there is some of the old guard looking for the Tyrone job before it is even vacant. All this could leave the team in a bad place for the back door.

mon07 (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 23/05/2018 21:36:13    2103394

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Replying To expat345:  "Conor mc Manus scored 12 pts against Dublin in Croke Park in a titanic division 1 battle in Feb 2016. Dublin won that match by means of a dubious penalty and an injury time point."
I'm talking about the Championship just in case that wasn't clear.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 191 - 24/05/2018 03:24:12    2103432

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I think Tyrone will end up gettting into the Super 8's. The difference now as opposed to a few years ago, is that they are now the team every one wants to face.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 283 - 24/05/2018 13:20:16    2103543

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