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Replying To Reco:  "Lavin did well on mannion yday. It really was mistakes that were punished by crokes that killed dunboyne. Deegan was very poor yday soft frees given black cards for nothing.dunboynes kick out strategy at times was poor goalie struggled in that department but in fairness crokes were putting good pressure on him.mccarthy was passenger yday Lowndes showed glimpses of wor he can do.
Dublin club football is but above meaths at minute so in reality dunboyne were up again it."
Maurice Deegan never seems to give anything to Meath IMO

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 637 - 12/11/2018 21:37:09    2150870

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Replying To MillerX:  "Maurice Deegan never seems to give anything to Meath IMO"
Yeah he did give them some very soft frees but lads let's not be mistaken he absolutely in no way has anything to do with us losing the game. Trust me I wish I could be on here saying he robbed us or he did cost us the game but he didn't. We're much better than we showed on Sunday although good enough to beat them even if we played our best I'm not so sure but it's just a shame the lads didn't perform to even half their ability.

Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 13/11/2018 08:39:35    2150898

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I thought for once that Maurice Deegan was lenient towards us. Dunboyne players did put in a good shift but Kilmacud are a huge club, Great development and very strong, They did not need the 2 goals but that made it impossible for the lads.
The one embarrassment was it has to be admitted a section of our supporters. They were shouting 'steps' whenever a kilmacud lad had the ball whatever that was about and crying at the ref even though he leant towards us. Who brought the soccer crowd?

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 273 - 13/11/2018 10:26:39    2150910

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Replying To Ashrules:  "I thought for once that Maurice Deegan was lenient towards us. Dunboyne players did put in a good shift but Kilmacud are a huge club, Great development and very strong, They did not need the 2 goals but that made it impossible for the lads.
The one embarrassment was it has to be admitted a section of our supporters. They were shouting 'steps' whenever a kilmacud lad had the ball whatever that was about and crying at the ref even though he leant towards us. Who brought the soccer crowd?"
The soccer crowd!!! Do you go many matches ? This happens at most games up and down the country Supporters players management are constantly shouting steps at the ref. And if you thought deegan leant towards Dunboyne I'd be sceptical about your knowledge of the game. As i said previously he in no way has anything to do with us losing the game but he certainly didn't mean towards us when it came to decisions.

Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 13/11/2018 11:01:17    2150920

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Replying To Aloblack:  "The soccer crowd!!! Do you go many matches ? This happens at most games up and down the country Supporters players management are constantly shouting steps at the ref. And if you thought deegan leant towards Dunboyne I'd be sceptical about your knowledge of the game. As i said previously he in no way has anything to do with us losing the game but he certainly didn't mean towards us when it came to decisions."
Fair enough, I wasn't at the game and was just adding my twopence worth from historical observations.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 637 - 13/11/2018 11:39:47    2150924

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Replying To MillerX:  "Fair enough, I wasn't at the game and was just adding my twopence worth from historical observations."
8 pts in first half out of ten came from frees for crokes. Black card in there to for a clumsy tackle at most. Where 5 mins later 2 crokes players manhandled a dunboyne man. Free given but not even a talking too for them. Now I'm not a dunboyne man but I would say it looked very one sided reffing.the tg4 camera man beside was of the same opinion he had no cause for anyone. Deegan has been a thorn in meath sides for long time now.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 13/11/2018 21:39:37    2151032

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Replying To MillerX:  "Fair enough, I wasn't at the game and was just adding my twopence worth from historical observations."
8 pts in first half out of ten came from frees for crokes. Black card in there to for a clumsy tackle at most. Where 5 mins later 2 crokes players manhandled a dunboyne man. Free given but not even a talking too for them. Now I'm not a dunboyne man but I would say it looked very one sided reffing.the tg4 camera man beside was of the same opinion he had no cause for anyone. Deegan has been a thorn in meath sides for long time now.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 13/11/2018 21:41:43    2151033

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Replying To Ashrules:  "I thought for once that Maurice Deegan was lenient towards us. Dunboyne players did put in a good shift but Kilmacud are a huge club, Great development and very strong, They did not need the 2 goals but that made it impossible for the lads.
The one embarrassment was it has to be admitted a section of our supporters. They were shouting 'steps' whenever a kilmacud lad had the ball whatever that was about and crying at the ref even though he leant towards us. Who brought the soccer crowd?"
I have been to a couple of under 21 games in the last few weeks and maybe it was always there but the constant shouting at the ref of " how long how long" by the side line and some supporters ,this started the minute a player got possession. I moved rather get into with anyone but it totally ruined the enjoyment for other spectators. How the referees listen to it constantly , and it was all the time!!! There is alot to be said for the SILENT SIDELINES at the go games. If only

Footnote (Meath) - Posts: 54 - 14/11/2018 10:24:14    2151093

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great win for Mullinalaghta

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 670 - 09/12/2018 14:56:14    2153726

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Replying To Barney123:  "great win for Mullinalaghta"
Ye it really puts the shambolic performance from the Meath champions into perspective....

Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 455 - 09/12/2018 15:27:31    2153736

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Replying To Barney123:  "great win for Mullinalaghta"
Fantastic. Shows what can be done.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16201 - 09/12/2018 15:45:11    2153742

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Replying To Maestro:  "Ye it really puts the shambolic performance from the Meath champions into perspective...."
LOL..... Keep trying pal.

Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 09/12/2018 18:02:59    2153775

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Replying To Maestro:  "Ye it really puts the shambolic performance from the Meath champions into perspective...."
Maybe in a month of Sundays Dunboyne may not have beaten Kilmacud as they would not work up the pressure that Mullinalaghta exerted on Kilmacud today. Lad and Lassies we have to change our Championship structure where loosing is extremely detrimental to ones chances of continuing in the championship. Mullinalaghta were up to the task all day, fell behind to an early goal, just kept going. In the second half the game appeared to follow "the script", but they plugged away did not let the lead become unmanageable and boy were they clinical when the opportunity arose. Mind you even the most outrageous underdogs will have moments in the sun in most games but they don't always avail of those moments, why? Belief is one reason and playing ALL the time for survival is another, cue change our championship now.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 637 - 09/12/2018 23:24:13    2153810

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Replying To MillerX:  "Maybe in a month of Sundays Dunboyne may not have beaten Kilmacud as they would not work up the pressure that Mullinalaghta exerted on Kilmacud today. Lad and Lassies we have to change our Championship structure where loosing is extremely detrimental to ones chances of continuing in the championship. Mullinalaghta were up to the task all day, fell behind to an early goal, just kept going. In the second half the game appeared to follow "the script", but they plugged away did not let the lead become unmanageable and boy were they clinical when the opportunity arose. Mind you even the most outrageous underdogs will have moments in the sun in most games but they don't always avail of those moments, why? Belief is one reason and playing ALL the time for survival is another, cue change our championship now."
The reality is that this does not come back championship structure. Look like you havent taken a look at what the championship is like in Longford. Group of 4 where 3 go through. One win and you will be able to qualify.

The reality is that Mullinalaghta have a talented group of players at this point in time, who will do whatever they require to do to win, will stand by each other through everything, this is what is missing in Meath teams now. They do not have a connection with each other, they are not willing to leave everything and more out on the pitch. This is what the Meath teams of old had and something which is missing in the county team now.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 370 - 10/12/2018 10:05:50    2153831

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I can guarantee you if a Meath team were playing the Longford champions the Meath team would be looking down there noses at them. There is belief and physiological problem right through Meath teams both club and county that has manifested itself for a long time now. We keep wondering what they are doing in Dublin and trying to copy them nearly, but what is the point in being the fittest team with the biggest muscles if when we are in a game that you have to fight, graft and keep going until the final whistle in? Meath club teams seem to die at the first sight of adversity in a game that they don't fully believe they can win. Dunboyne played like a team that could not even convince themselves that they were good enough to beat Kilmacud never mind convince anyone else. This is not just Dunboyne's problem either, this is a problem for every club in Meath and most of our county teams.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 478 - 10/12/2018 10:17:14    2153834

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Replying To MillerX:  "Maybe in a month of Sundays Dunboyne may not have beaten Kilmacud as they would not work up the pressure that Mullinalaghta exerted on Kilmacud today. Lad and Lassies we have to change our Championship structure where loosing is extremely detrimental to ones chances of continuing in the championship. Mullinalaghta were up to the task all day, fell behind to an early goal, just kept going. In the second half the game appeared to follow "the script", but they plugged away did not let the lead become unmanageable and boy were they clinical when the opportunity arose. Mind you even the most outrageous underdogs will have moments in the sun in most games but they don't always avail of those moments, why? Belief is one reason and playing ALL the time for survival is another, cue change our championship now."
It just won't happen. We don't value more competition and pushing ourselves to higher levels.

We value status. We value the fuzzy feeling lads get from knowing they're an intermediate/junior team even though they take 5 beatings a year and win 1 game to stay up. We value arbitrarily punishing 2nd teams so that 1st teams don't have their feelings hurt by losing to them. We value ridiculously large leagues so that loads of teams can claim to be division 1 or 2.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1292 - 10/12/2018 10:51:33    2153839

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Replying To juicy:  "The reality is that this does not come back championship structure. Look like you havent taken a look at what the championship is like in Longford. Group of 4 where 3 go through. One win and you will be able to qualify.

The reality is that Mullinalaghta have a talented group of players at this point in time, who will do whatever they require to do to win, will stand by each other through everything, this is what is missing in Meath teams now. They do not have a connection with each other, they are not willing to leave everything and more out on the pitch. This is what the Meath teams of old had and something which is missing in the county team now."
I don't deny that Mullinalaghta have a group of players and they live and die for each other. Right 3 qualify from a group of 4 so there can be 2 'iffy' games but we have as many as 4 games where after 1 win, a draw may get you through and we have seen teams qualify and they were even surprised themselves. Also 18 Senior Clubs are too many as can be seen from some of the scores in some games. This also dilutes the quality of the Intermediate and Junior Championships.

Listen it may not be the answer but something has to be done to lift the spirits in this county before we become a complete backwater. A championship where each game has a significance would be a start.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 637 - 10/12/2018 11:08:07    2153841

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I've been watching football for a long time and when Meath were winning All-Irelands, our club winners were not making much hay in Leinster. I saw the O'Mahony's four-in-a-row side and they never even made a Leinster club final.
Walterstown's wins were before my time but Dunshaughlin are the only club in the past that I saw really go for it. Once they won their first Meath title, they were thinking of Leinster. You could see it in them the following years.
The Meath championship is wide open where a lot of championships are dominated by one or two clubs, and for them Leinster is a priority.

49erroyal (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 10/12/2018 11:23:33    2153845

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Replying To 49erroyal:  "I've been watching football for a long time and when Meath were winning All-Irelands, our club winners were not making much hay in Leinster. I saw the O'Mahony's four-in-a-row side and they never even made a Leinster club final.
Walterstown's wins were before my time but Dunshaughlin are the only club in the past that I saw really go for it. Once they won their first Meath title, they were thinking of Leinster. You could see it in them the following years.
The Meath championship is wide open where a lot of championships are dominated by one or two clubs, and for them Leinster is a priority."
You are correct in saying that those teams did not win Leinsters or All Irelands etc, however they were teams full of grafters, battlers and talented footballers and they were competitive every year they went into it. Not since Senchalstown in 2007 can a Meath team say they gave a good account of themselves in the Leinster Senior Championship. Championship in Meath is a damp squib for large parts of it where some teams are just happy to stay Senior or Intermediate and see it as a bonus if they get to a quarter final etc. It is to long drawn out and players are going through the motions for large parts of it. Changing the structures will not make us better over night, however it will improve us over time and change is badly needed.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 478 - 10/12/2018 11:44:46    2153852

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Replying To MillerX:  "I don't deny that Mullinalaghta have a group of players and they live and die for each other. Right 3 qualify from a group of 4 so there can be 2 'iffy' games but we have as many as 4 games where after 1 win, a draw may get you through and we have seen teams qualify and they were even surprised themselves. Also 18 Senior Clubs are too many as can be seen from some of the scores in some games. This also dilutes the quality of the Intermediate and Junior Championships.

Listen it may not be the answer but something has to be done to lift the spirits in this county before we become a complete backwater. A championship where each game has a significance would be a start."
I think my point is being missed here, I dont believe a change in structure is going to change the performance in Leinster or the quality. Look the championship itself is a competitive championship, bar maybe one or two teams but that does not dilute the championship massively. Right say we bring the championship back to 16 teams there is still team there as you say who will try to hang in there, no matter what amount of teams are in the championship there will be teams 'hanging in there'. What would be more concerning to me is if these teams did not want to hand in there. That is what would really reduce the championship.

But reducing a championship to 16 teams, and say 4x4 groups, thats only 3 games for a team. I dont believe that is the best approach. I know, personally when I was playing not too long ago either, I wanted to play championship games. And I dont believe this has changed massively amoungst the players today. if it has then we are a county are in big trouble, and bigger than any restructure can fix.

Regardless of whatever happens regarding structures, 2019 will tell alot about how football in this county is going to proceed with Soccer moving towards a summer schedule what the impact of that will be is unknown. There are a lot of players who will play football during the summer which may not occur now, so may be the end of alot of 2nd/3rd teams

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 370 - 10/12/2018 12:36:30    2153860

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