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Replying To ziggy320001:  "I'm not a fan of the current championship structure. It's takes a long time to get to this point. Plus we don't have 18 senior clubs. Not even sure we have 14. However it gets exciting now and it's possible that on their day that any team left are capable of winning any of these knock-out fixtures.
As an Ashbourne lad the Ratoath game is intriguing. We all know the threat Ratoath can bring and when they click, they have the players to beat anybody. They have a lot of pace and good inter-changeable football. They will hope for good underground conditions.
Ashbourne are more seasoned though and have experience of reaching finals and winning Feis Cups, and I think they are more physical all around the park.
One duel that really interests me is the one between Conor McGill and Andy Tormey. You have the best full back in the county up against the best full forward in the county. That will be a serious physical battle.
Overall the fact that D/ASH are more 'hardy' I think they will pinch it.
Simonstown and Skyrne is another interesting one that could go either way, but ultimately not having Nash, O'Rourke, McKeever and Tobin is clearly gonna cost them. Skyrne have a great blend of experience and youth and expect Campion to be on the Meath senior panel next year. I think they'll take the champions.
Summerhill and Cillies is an interesting one. Cillies are a good side and will get better. Biggy and Conlon will have to be at their best because they are coming up against seasoned campaigners in Summerhill. Summerhill don't have many stars, but they are simply a good team who are good all-round without being brilliant in a specific area. Pity Gillespie wasn't still playing a huge loss to them last few years. Their experience will see them through here though.
The prem tie between Wolfe Tones and Kells is one whereby I would favour Kells. Kells are similar to Summerhill in my opinion. Good enough team to constantly knock on the door, but just can't quite get in. Wolfe Tones may depend a lot on the availability of O' Reilly and Dan O' Neill. They have a great chance of those two are fit but I fancy Kells.
Can't see any of them beating Dunboyne who are overall favourites for me."
Tormey, the best full forward in the county? that is a big claim, didnt look in the best of shape on Friday night, think McGill will get the better of him, Ratoath will do them

Tobin and McKeever only got back from the States on Thursday, Nathan O'Brien only on Tuesday, all 3 togged out but did not feature, you have to think that they will in the Quarter Final. Skryne going very well and in Paddy O'Rourke have a real handful at full forward, the match will be decided on whether Simonstown deal with him. Think the just might,

Kells and Tones will be serious battle, Kells will shade it but Dunboyne will have to much for either.

Summerhill v Cilles, CIlles are far to defensive, Summerhill will have too much up front for them and are seasoned enough to deal with the 14 men behind the ball

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 294 - 27/08/2018 09:22:37    2136731

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ziggy, inclined to agree with you about the Ratoath - Don/Ash quarter final. Experience counts for a hell of a lot and it's only our second senior quarter final. If it's a tight game (as it will almost certainly be), I'd favour our neighbours.
The duel between McGill and Tormey is slightly worrying for me. McGill is, in my view, the best full back in the county at the moment but one area where he struggles is under a high ball (he was caught out once or twice on Friday). Obviously, Tormey is excellent in this area so I feel we'll have to drop an extra player back to deal with that threat. That will then hurt our chances up front as we've found it extremely difficult to play against a more congested defence.

Should be a great game with a great atmosphere.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1137 - 27/08/2018 09:37:12    2136735

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SFC prelim match on a Monday night in Castletown, beggars belief to be honest. Both the timing and venue

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1238 - 27/08/2018 09:44:05    2136738

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "ziggy, inclined to agree with you about the Ratoath - Don/Ash quarter final. Experience counts for a hell of a lot and it's only our second senior quarter final. If it's a tight game (as it will almost certainly be), I'd favour our neighbours.
The duel between McGill and Tormey is slightly worrying for me. McGill is, in my view, the best full back in the county at the moment but one area where he struggles is under a high ball (he was caught out once or twice on Friday). Obviously, Tormey is excellent in this area so I feel we'll have to drop an extra player back to deal with that threat. That will then hurt our chances up front as we've found it extremely difficult to play against a more congested defence.

Should be a great game with a great atmosphere."
Ya looking forward to it. Should be Pairc Tailteann?

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 27/08/2018 09:45:09    2136739

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Replying To longroadback:  "Tormey, the best full forward in the county? that is a big claim, didnt look in the best of shape on Friday night, think McGill will get the better of him, Ratoath will do them

Tobin and McKeever only got back from the States on Thursday, Nathan O'Brien only on Tuesday, all 3 togged out but did not feature, you have to think that they will in the Quarter Final. Skryne going very well and in Paddy O'Rourke have a real handful at full forward, the match will be decided on whether Simonstown deal with him. Think the just might,

Kells and Tones will be serious battle, Kells will shade it but Dunboyne will have to much for either.

Summerhill v Cilles, CIlles are far to defensive, Summerhill will have too much up front for them and are seasoned enough to deal with the 14 men behind the ball"
I think Tormey is good but don't think he is the best in the county! McGill struggled with Conor O'Byrne last Friday though so it should be a good match up!.

I think Don/Ash will take their game with ratoath - Ratoath struggled with an understrength Cillies on Friday night - The older Wallace was wasteful throughout the game and [email protected] doesn't look fully fit yet.

Simonstown will definetly be stronger for the knockout rounds but I'd love to see Skyrne take them - they are playing nice football and Campion and Smyth look like two really good prospects.

I think Dunboyne will take either Tones or Kells. Dunbvoyne are teh form team and I think teh team to beat!

A lot of people are saying Cilles are too defensive - we certainly were against Rtaoath on Friday but we were missing Brennan, Biggy and Banty - 3 of the best forwards in the County - I think we will give the Hill lads are right test!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 229 - 27/08/2018 09:46:17    2136740

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "I think Tormey is good but don't think he is the best in the county! McGill struggled with Conor O'Byrne last Friday though so it should be a good match up!.

I think Don/Ash will take their game with ratoath - Ratoath struggled with an understrength Cillies on Friday night - The older Wallace was wasteful throughout the game and [email protected] doesn't look fully fit yet.

Simonstown will definetly be stronger for the knockout rounds but I'd love to see Skyrne take them - they are playing nice football and Campion and Smyth look like two really good prospects.

I think Dunboyne will take either Tones or Kells. Dunbvoyne are teh form team and I think teh team to beat!

A lot of people are saying Cilles are too defensive - we certainly were against Rtaoath on Friday but we were missing Brennan, Biggy and Banty - 3 of the best forwards in the County - I think we will give the Hill lads are right test!"
Accept you were missing serious firepower but have seen you play a few times this year and played the same way, seems to be very much the favored system by management. Its frustrating, you have the players to play good football and be fairly successful along with it

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 294 - 27/08/2018 09:59:01    2136743

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "I think Tormey is good but don't think he is the best in the county! McGill struggled with Conor O'Byrne last Friday though so it should be a good match up!.

I think Don/Ash will take their game with ratoath - Ratoath struggled with an understrength Cillies on Friday night - The older Wallace was wasteful throughout the game and [email protected] doesn't look fully fit yet.

Simonstown will definetly be stronger for the knockout rounds but I'd love to see Skyrne take them - they are playing nice football and Campion and Smyth look like two really good prospects.

I think Dunboyne will take either Tones or Kells. Dunbvoyne are teh form team and I think teh team to beat!

A lot of people are saying Cilles are too defensive - we certainly were against Rtaoath on Friday but we were missing Brennan, Biggy and Banty - 3 of the best forwards in the County - I think we will give the Hill lads are right test!"
Don/Ash v Ratoath
Agree Tormey is not the best full forward in the county by a long way....3-4 years ago he would have been but he's not fit enough at the minute at all and McGill, as in the league encounter should take him with minimal fuss. Ratoath must have kicked close to 20 wides with Cillies missing very few chances and scored a goal that was a foul on the keeper all day long, so to say they struggled is laughable.... they didn't play well and missing that many against any other team or against Cilles again with Biggy, Conlan and Brennan back will almost certainly cost them. Also saying Ashbourne are more physical and '[email protected] is a bit of a stretch, Ratoaths Keeper, 2 McGills, Power, Kelly, 2 McGowans, O Brien all 6ft plus and big men won't be pushed around at all. If this game is played on a big pitch like Navan Ratoath by 5+, if it's a tight pitch then it will be very close and depends on if Ratoath have their shooting boots on or not. Shoot like they did against Cilles and Ashbourne will win by 2-3, straighten their boots up and Ratoath by the same margin.
Ratoath Win

Summerhill v Cilles
An intriguing game here. Based on pedigree and history its Summerhills to lose, a model of consistency and solidness without any spectacular or big name players (Dardis being the possible exception). However, Cilles set up to frustrate teams playing 13 behind the ball and if they can suck the summerhill half back line up the pitch then Conlon will run amuck and with Biggy and Brennan coming from deep an upset could be on the cards. If however they don't lose their shape and slow up the ball in then summerhill will have too much for Cilles. A close game, with no more than 3 between the sides. I'm leaning with Summerhill but wouldn't be putting too much on with em as the Cillies won't lie down or go away at any stage of this game.
Summerhill win

Skryne v Simonstown
A game to soon for Simonstown I think. Lads away for the summer won't be coming back at championship pace and against a Skryne team that are high on confidence and have shown that they can win pretty and ugly this year think will tell in the end. Paddy O Rourke is hitting big scores and looks lethal from the dead ball and in Campion in the middle they have the runner to compliment Rooneys ball winning abilities. If Simonstown had McKeever, Tobin etc fully fit then I would worry for Skryne as their Full back line is their weak spot for me but they won't be I wouldn't imagine and in the end I think Skryne will edge this by 3 points or so.
Skryne Win

Kells v Tones
A game that if played 3-4 years ago would have been the tie of the round. However now it comes as a bit of a damp squib. tones have been hugely underwhelming this year, lost to Cilles, bet well by Ratoath who again missed a number of easy scores and scraped past Rathkenny. O reilly and O Neill missing are huge losses and are clearly evident as they seem to lack creativity in the attacking third. Kells again haven't seemed to get going fully in championship so far, in Mattimoe and Hanlon they have 2 excellent forwards who on their day can terrorise any defence. I think they have to much football for tones and if it turns to a dogfight it will suit the Kells men even more. Kells by about 2-3
Kells win

Against Dunboyne unless Kells (assuming I'm right on the pre-lim) get a tight narrow pitch to congest and make it a war I think Dunboyne will have to much all over the pitch in Lenihan, McCarthy, Lowndes, Dunne, Lavin, McEntee and would win comfortably by 5-6. If they do get a tight pitch however and make the game as scrappy I'm still not convinced Dunboyne can drag themselves through it and again wouldn't be surprised at an upset.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 300 - 27/08/2018 12:57:45    2136754

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Replying To longroadback:  "Accept you were missing serious firepower but have seen you play a few times this year and played the same way, seems to be very much the favored system by management. Its frustrating, you have the players to play good football and be fairly successful along with it"
I have seen cilles 3 times in this years championship and each time set up ultra defensive even the game they won against tones they were very defensive
This is obviously their way and they are entitled to play whatever way they want
Against Ratoath last week was like looking at what Pat Spillane would call "puke football" I know you were missing 3 solid forwards but you still have to try and win the game
For me
Summerhill will win this encounter
Wolfetones to beat Kells
And Dunboyne to beat tones
I think with the Americans back for Simonstown they will get over Skyrne
And finally
Ratoath will have it all to do against Ashbourne and this one is 50/50 for me
Too close to call either way

head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 379 - 27/08/2018 13:23:42    2136766

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "I think Tormey is good but don't think he is the best in the county! McGill struggled with Conor O'Byrne last Friday though so it should be a good match up!.

I think Don/Ash will take their game with ratoath - Ratoath struggled with an understrength Cillies on Friday night - The older Wallace was wasteful throughout the game and [email protected] doesn't look fully fit yet.

Simonstown will definetly be stronger for the knockout rounds but I'd love to see Skyrne take them - they are playing nice football and Campion and Smyth look like two really good prospects.

I think Dunboyne will take either Tones or Kells. Dunbvoyne are teh form team and I think teh team to beat!

A lot of people are saying Cilles are too defensive - we certainly were against Rtaoath on Friday but we were missing Brennan, Biggy and Banty - 3 of the best forwards in the County - I think we will give the Hill lads are right test!"
Don/Ash v Ratoath
Agree Tormey is not the best full forward in the county by a long way....3-4 years ago he would have been but he's not fit enough at the minute at all and McGill, as in the league encounter should take him with minimal fuss. Ratoath must have kicked close to 20 wides with Cillies missing very few chances and scored a goal that was a foul on the keeper all day long, so to say they struggled is laughable.... they didn't play well and missing that many against any other team or against Cilles again with Biggy, Conlan and Brennan back will almost certainly cost them. Also saying Ashbourne are more physical and '[email protected] is a bit of a stretch, Ratoaths Keeper, 2 McGills, Power, Kelly, 2 McGowans, O Brien all 6ft plus and big men won't be pushed around at all. If this game is played on a big pitch like Navan Ratoath by 5+, if it's a tight pitch then it will be very close and depends on if Ratoath have their shooting boots on or not. Shoot like they did against Cilles and Ashbourne will win by 2-3, straighten their boots up and Ratoath by the same margin.
Ratoath Win

Summerhill v Cilles
An intriguing game here. Based on pedigree and history its Summerhills to lose, a model of consistency and solidness without any spectacular or big name players (Dardis being the possible exception). However, Cilles set up to frustrate teams playing 13 behind the ball and if they can suck the summerhill half back line up the pitch then Conlon will run amuck and with Biggy and Brennan coming from deep an upset could be on the cards. If however they don't lose their shape and slow up the ball in then summerhill will have too much for Cilles. A close game, with no more than 3 between the sides. I'm leaning with Summerhill but wouldn't be putting too much on with em as the Cillies won't lie down or go away at any stage of this game.
Summerhill win

Skryne v Simonstown
A game to soon for Simonstown I think. Lads away for the summer won't be coming back at championship pace and against a Skryne team that are high on confidence and have shown that they can win pretty and ugly this year think will tell in the end. Paddy O Rourke is hitting big scores and looks lethal from the dead ball and in Campion in the middle they have the runner to compliment Rooneys ball winning abilities. If Simonstown had McKeever, Tobin etc fully fit then I would worry for Skryne as their Full back line is their weak spot for me but they won't be I wouldn't imagine and in the end I think Skryne will edge this by 3 points or so.
Skryne Win

Kells v Tones
A game that if played 3-4 years ago would have been the tie of the round. However now it comes as a bit of a damp squib. tones have been hugely underwhelming this year, lost to Cilles, bet well by Ratoath who again missed a number of easy scores and scraped past Rathkenny. O reilly and O Neill missing are huge losses and are clearly evident as they seem to lack creativity in the attacking third. Kells again haven't seemed to get going fully in championship so far, in Mattimoe and Hanlon they have 2 excellent forwards who on their day can terrorise any defence. I think they have to much football for tones and if it turns to a dogfight it will suit the Kells men even more. Kells by about 2-3
Kells win

Against Dunboyne unless Kells (assuming I'm right on the pre-lim) get a tight narrow pitch to congest and make it a war I think Dunboyne will have to much all over the pitch in Lenihan, McCarthy, Lowndes, Dunne, Lavin, McEntee and would win comfortably by 5-6. If they do get a tight pitch however and make the game as scrappy I'm still not convinced Dunboyne can drag themselves through it and again wouldn't be surprised at an upset.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 300 - 27/08/2018 13:28:39    2136769

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Replying To longroadback:  "Accept you were missing serious firepower but have seen you play a few times this year and played the same way, seems to be very much the favored system by management. Its frustrating, you have the players to play good football and be fairly successful along with it"
Yeah - I think that is because management saw qualifying for quarters as the main aim and that it would be a good outcome! Now having seen the standard of the others, and the fact that it is knockout I think we will be more aggressive.

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 229 - 27/08/2018 14:02:28    2136778

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Who is in the relegation playoff and when is that played?

loyaltothecause (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 27/08/2018 16:19:32    2136839

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The preliminary quarter final between tones and kells should not be in Castletown, with all due respect to castletown these teams are fighting for their championship lives and deserve the best ground available and that is certainly not Castletown
If we continue with this cronyism with regards pitch allocation (and there are plenty of examples we could all give) the county board will continue to get NO respect from the many many clubs who all know its wrong
Come on lads it's beond a joke, start respecting the players who put an awful lot into our games

head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 379 - 27/08/2018 19:05:33    2136888

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Replying To head4dblackspot:  "The preliminary quarter final between tones and kells should not be in Castletown, with all due respect to castletown these teams are fighting for their championship lives and deserve the best ground available and that is certainly not Castletown
If we continue with this cronyism with regards pitch allocation (and there are plenty of examples we could all give) the county board will continue to get NO respect from the many many clubs who all know its wrong
Come on lads it's beond a joke, start respecting the players who put an awful lot into our games"
Couldn't agree more. This going on year in year out. The likes of castletown and Duleek getting big senior championship games when the faculties are clearly not good enough. It's almost a running joke at this stage every time the championship fixtures are released to see what below standard ground gets a big championship game

Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 27/08/2018 21:04:17    2136923

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Replying To loyaltothecause:  "Who is in the relegation playoff and when is that played?"
Curraha, Blackhall & Pats.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 229 - 27/08/2018 21:14:44    2136924

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Replying To head4dblackspot:  "The preliminary quarter final between tones and kells should not be in Castletown, with all due respect to castletown these teams are fighting for their championship lives and deserve the best ground available and that is certainly not Castletown
If we continue with this cronyism with regards pitch allocation (and there are plenty of examples we could all give) the county board will continue to get NO respect from the many many clubs who all know its wrong
Come on lads it's beond a joke, start respecting the players who put an awful lot into our games"
Couple of things on this.
Unfortunately Castletown don't have any cronies. They have been given the game on merit, the place with the infrastructure and ability to stage the game. They have invested heavily in the ground in the past few years, like many other clubs. With PT not viable for evening games Castletown is the only pitch that has a seated stand, modern floodlights, decent dressingrooms and good pitch, unless you wanted to bring the teams to Asbbourne. They've shown they can cope with big crowds too.
Obviously the game should be in PT but with the lights lying on the ground that won't be possible. The location might be a little rural for some but that's something you'll have to get over yourself, come down and enjoy what will surely be a mighty North Meath derby.

GoalsWinGames (Meath) - Posts: 299 - 28/08/2018 08:04:17    2136957

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Replying To Aloblack:  "Couldn't agree more. This going on year in year out. The likes of castletown and Duleek getting big senior championship games when the faculties are clearly not good enough. It's almost a running joke at this stage every time the championship fixtures are released to see what below standard ground gets a big championship game"
What is wrong with Castletown as a matter of interest, this time of year the surface is good, the dressing rooms are good, there is a stand and plenty of room to park round the pitch? Totally agree regarding duleek, the dressing rooms are a disgrace to be having all the games they have there.

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 294 - 28/08/2018 08:43:48    2136963

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Replying To head4dblackspot:  "I have seen cilles 3 times in this years championship and each time set up ultra defensive even the game they won against tones they were very defensive
This is obviously their way and they are entitled to play whatever way they want
Against Ratoath last week was like looking at what Pat Spillane would call "puke football" I know you were missing 3 solid forwards but you still have to try and win the game
For me
Summerhill will win this encounter
Wolfetones to beat Kells
And Dunboyne to beat tones
I think with the Americans back for Simonstown they will get over Skyrne
And finally
Ratoath will have it all to do against Ashbourne and this one is 50/50 for me
Too close to call either way"
I would not be knocking the Cilles style of play. There only up to Senior, seemed to struggle with so many lads in U20's and with Senior panel and so there entitled to setup as they please. There was loads of talk about Wolfe Tones at start of the year and they took them out. They made Ratoath look very ordinary last day and them full out and the Cilles gifted them a goal as Ratoath struggled to break them down. That was against a backdrop of Cilles missing 4 of their best forwards, 3 of which are top county players. So Summerhill are top side but this is now knockout football and you be foolish to think Cilles are not going to use the artillery they have up front to good effect, defensive system or however they setup. It's Summerhill to lose but this I feel could be real top game

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 28/08/2018 10:37:29    2137002

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Replying To longroadback:  "What is wrong with Castletown as a matter of interest, this time of year the surface is good, the dressing rooms are good, there is a stand and plenty of room to park round the pitch? Totally agree regarding duleek, the dressing rooms are a disgrace to be having all the games they have there."
Castletown to their credit always have ample stewarding in place and a printed teamsheet. The negative is the pitch and more so than this, the game should not be played on a Monday evening only 2 days after a hurling Quarter final. What is wrong with playing pre lim quarter on same weekend as other 3 quarter finals ? Was done last year

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1238 - 28/08/2018 10:37:29    2137003

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Replying To longroadback:  "What is wrong with Castletown as a matter of interest, this time of year the surface is good, the dressing rooms are good, there is a stand and plenty of room to park round the pitch? Totally agree regarding duleek, the dressing rooms are a disgrace to be having all the games they have there."
Ok maybe a bit harsh because no where near as bad as Duleek. Castletowns dressing rooms are good and big to be fair but the pitch not good enough. Should be in the best pitch available such as simonstown or somewhere like that.

Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 28/08/2018 11:18:03    2137028

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Replying To longroadback:  "What is wrong with Castletown as a matter of interest, this time of year the surface is good, the dressing rooms are good, there is a stand and plenty of room to park round the pitch? Totally agree regarding duleek, the dressing rooms are a disgrace to be having all the games they have there."
What's wrong with Castletown is the pitch is not the best around to play a senior championship quarter final on and that is the main problem
The fact they have a stand means nothing (if you could call it a stand)
The pitch is not senior standard

head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 379 - 28/08/2018 11:27:40    2137039

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