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Who Goes Down - Donegal Or Mayo?

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Replying To icehonesty:  "Hope to god its Mayo."
You must be fairly sickened this morning. GIFUY!

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/03/2018 07:54:58    2088083

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Congrats to Mayo i thought they would have it in them.

Not sure it makes much difference one way or the other.

Donegal very unlucky to go down, its a tough league.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/03/2018 08:59:06    2088104

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I would echo Ciaran Whelan's comments in saying that while although it's obviously disappointing to go down I wouldn't be totally disheartened either. We showed enough glimpses of quality throughout the league, minus a number of seasoned regulars, to offer hope for the summer ahead. Although the league has improved in recent years it's still not Championship. Year on year people read too much into League performance. In 2017, we were all patting ourselves on the back up here after a decent League campaign but we were then abysmal come the summer.

On the game itself I felt we might have just shaded it but we weren't clinical enough and paid the price. Yes, we looked to wind down the clock etc, but that's what the 4 minutes additional time was added for. It was bewildering how the ref didn't allow another minute after the messing following McLaughlin's point. In saying that, even with the extra minute I think Mayo would've kept us out by hook or by crook.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9139 - 26/03/2018 10:39:55    2088165

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Congrats to Mayo i thought they would have it in them.

Not sure it makes much difference one way or the other.

Donegal very unlucky to go down, its a tough league."
If Donegal had gotten one victory rather than a single point defeats/ draws in any one of the games against Kerry, Galway or Mayo, things could have been very different. The line between success and failure is very small at this level of football.

Still, Donegal have some very promising young players and should have a very decent side in the years to come, injuries etc. permitting. I was impressed with Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Jamie Brennan and of course McBrearty, who's still only 24!

As for us, we chunter on unconvincingly, written off as useless by most of the media and online commentators. Hopefully a lack of hype may prove beneficial in the run up to May 13th, though it will be a tall order in the absence of Lee Keegan and possibly Cillian and a host of others as well.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/03/2018 10:55:33    2088176

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Replying To Gleebo:  "If Donegal had gotten one victory rather than a single point defeats/ draws in any one of the games against Kerry, Galway or Mayo, things could have been very different. The line between success and failure is very small at this level of football.

Still, Donegal have some very promising young players and should have a very decent side in the years to come, injuries etc. permitting. I was impressed with Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Jamie Brennan and of course McBrearty, who's still only 24!

As for us, we chunter on unconvincingly, written off as useless by most of the media and online commentators. Hopefully a lack of hype may prove beneficial in the run up to May 13th, though it will be a tall order in the absence of Lee Keegan and possibly Cillian and a host of others as well."
Connacht title or multiple connacht titles are no good to Galway if they dont show up at Croker and they need to do something this year to show what their capable of.
We all know Mayo will show up when its down to the last 8 , so this Connacht title once again really has no bearing on what both counties want to do.

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 26/03/2018 18:33:20    2088422

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Why would Donegal time waste? They needed to win the game , Mayo time wasted sure it's clear as day when the cameras go onto it you see O Conor dragging a Donegal man down. Come on Riverboys sometimes your lads are guilty in all fairness."
Because Mayo stole it at the death with 10 seconds left.
It was donegal who ran down the clock so i dont understand why they are not happy not getting another phase.

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 26/03/2018 18:38:21    2088426

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Did you see the video of McLoughlins point ,13 clear steps ,unbelievable.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1057 - 26/03/2018 20:23:49    2088466

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I would echo Ciaran Whelan's comments in saying that while although it's obviously disappointing to go down I wouldn't be totally disheartened either. We showed enough glimpses of quality throughout the league, minus a number of seasoned regulars, to offer hope for the summer ahead. Although the league has improved in recent years it's still not Championship. Year on year people read too much into League performance. In 2017, we were all patting ourselves on the back up here after a decent League campaign but we were then abysmal come the summer.

On the game itself I felt we might have just shaded it but we weren't clinical enough and paid the price. Yes, we looked to wind down the clock etc, but that's what the 4 minutes additional time was added for. It was bewildering how the ref didn't allow another minute after the messing following McLaughlin's point. In saying that, even with the extra minute I think Mayo would've kept us out by hook or by crook."
With the Donegal timewasting and the second half substitutions there should have been six or seven minutes of injury time. Couldn't believe there was only four added. Worked to our advantage at the end but still should have been more.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 26/03/2018 20:36:56    2088473

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Why would Donegal time waste? They needed to win the game , Mayo time wasted sure it's clear as day when the cameras go onto it you see O Conor dragging a Donegal man down. Come on Riverboys sometimes your lads are guilty in all fairness."
If you read the end of my message I said I wasn't at the game and the TV cameras didn't show what or who started it, they only showed the end of it when both sides were pulling their own players away from the mêlée, of course Mayo are as guilty as any other team in regards of time wasting or cynical play, if it were me I'd have done the same, it is after all win at all costs but the main reason Donegal failed to win was they missed a lot of chances in the 2nd half when Mayo were there for the taking

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 26/03/2018 21:27:05    2088502

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donegal also lost by a point to kerry after the kerry player bounced the ball twice last kick.
kevin mac doesnt hop or solo gets a point last kick.
difference between staying up and down.
managers player then seem to be to blame for ref error.

thebadbounce (Galway) - Posts: 87 - 26/03/2018 21:33:15    2088505

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Replying To gunman:  "Did you see the video of McLoughlins point ,13 clear steps ,unbelievable."
Happens in every game up and down the country. Only noticed when it's a decisive score. O Callaghans goal in last years final was overcarrying, McManamans famous goal against Kerry in 2011 but there would have been several other cases during both games that woudn't have been noticed because they didn't lead directly to a score. For example the Donegal number ten went for an extended run in the second half without a hop or solo but it wasn't noticed because nothing came of it. The only reason I noticed it was because Andy was pulled for overcarrying earlier when he lost his footing and I was waiting for an opportunity to roar at the ref. I didn't spot the McLoughlins steps until I saw it back today!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 26/03/2018 21:34:15    2088506

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did you see the Donegal tactic of throwing a second ball on the field when Clarke was trying to take a quick kick out

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 26/03/2018 22:33:37    2088521

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Replying To gunman:  "Did you see the video of McLoughlins point ,13 clear steps ,unbelievable."
Cian OCallaghan took 7 steps then a hop then another 7 steps before scoring the goal in the All Ireland final last year.

Connolly took 10 steps before setting up a score in the same match.

its swings and roundabouts.

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 26/03/2018 22:43:52    2088524

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Replying To centerfield:  "Cian OCallaghan took 7 steps then a hop then another 7 steps before scoring the goal in the All Ireland final last year.

Connolly took 10 steps before setting up a score in the same match.

its swings and roundabouts."
meant "Con" above

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 26/03/2018 22:55:50    2088533

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It's history now boys no good talking about it, Mayo got the job done that they came to do so good luck to them, all the pundits are writing Mayo off again, seems crazy to me for a team that has been so close multiple times to the big prize in recent years, going to be a hell of game with Galway, Mayo have a lot of players to come back in as well, you can't beat experience and being battle hardened and a lot of our young lads have grown up a lot in football terms in recent months,
I think we are a year or 2 away from being All Ireland contenders again but we will have a good push to win Ulster this year and get to the super 8's I hope, div 2 next year and the derby game with Fermanagh will be good craic.
for us we have to learn from this league campaign, refocus for the Championship and learn how to put teams away and stop trying to kill the game when we are a few points up with time running out, we aren't defending the way we did under Jim, we are at our best when attacking and we should concentrate on playing to our strengths.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 26/03/2018 23:15:02    2088544

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Congrats to Mayo on staying up. If All Irelands were handed out for character especially in adversity the wait would be well over at this stage. From a Donegal perspective while it is not ideal to be going down still plenty to be positive about. Plenty of young players have gained some valuable experience plus our older players should still be relatively fresh come championship time. Also the likes of Eoin Ban and Jamie Brennan have really flourished with still plenty to come. Division 2 will allow the likes of Tony McClenaghan, Daoire O'Baoill, Stephen McMenamin, Michael Langan, Niall O'Donnell, Jason McGee and Cian Mulligan to continue their development, gain more experience and hopefully be much more the finished article if returning to Division 1 next year. On the game itself I don't think the ref done us much favours not just the steps but there were a couple of frees I thought that were more than a bit soft but enough of that. The game was there to be won from a Donegal perspective but we failed to tag on some relatively straight forward chances towards the end plus what could have been a walk in 3 pointer at the very end. What got Donegal back into the game was the direct quick running of Jamie Brennan, Eoin Ban and Michael Murphy but this was abandoned in the 2nd half for a more reserved approach. Hopefully the team will learn from this and put the foot down when the opportunity is there rather than just seeing it out. It brought back memories of the Ulster final in 2016 so we need to move on from this. Donegal will not be winning any All Irelands this year but making the Super 8's is very realistic. Plus hopefully if we do make it to the Super 8's that we compete well and not be served up the embarrassments of last year under the previous regime.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 26/03/2018 23:57:04    2088555

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Replying To culmore:  "did you see the Donegal tactic of throwing a second ball on the field when Clarke was trying to take a quick kick out"
No the ball comes off the wall or net at the river end. It happens regularly that it ends up on the field.

Gotta say that it's down to more than steps taken that we failed to win on Sunday. We can improve in division 2. Very young lads with good experienced men beside them. I also think that we can improve a good bit come the summer. I wouldn't be so sure about mayo.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 27/03/2018 03:05:49    2088568

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Time to move on...it's the league and while donegal went down I saw enough from them to think they will make the super 8's.

As for Mayo, much to improve on but with returning players we can still make an impact this summer

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 27/03/2018 11:09:41    2088628

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Replying To Donegalman:  "No the ball comes off the wall or net at the river end. It happens regularly that it ends up on the field.

Gotta say that it's down to more than steps taken that we failed to win on Sunday. We can improve in division 2. Very young lads with good experienced men beside them. I also think that we can improve a good bit come the summer. I wouldn't be so sure about mayo."
Just out of interest why do you think Mayo might not improve over the summer? Given that the league is not their top priority for obvious reasons, the fact that some of them are way below the necessary fitness levels and that five of the six defenders who started last years final have still to come back, I was very encouraged by Sundays display. The much maligned young lads stood up to be counted and six of the winning U21 team finished the game. I think Donegal are heading in the right direction bringing in the new faces but I also think Mayos display in Ballybofey, given all the circumstances, was very encouraging.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 27/03/2018 12:17:53    2088662

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Replying To panamasam:  "Congrats to Mayo on staying up. If All Irelands were handed out for character especially in adversity the wait would be well over at this stage. From a Donegal perspective while it is not ideal to be going down still plenty to be positive about. Plenty of young players have gained some valuable experience plus our older players should still be relatively fresh come championship time. Also the likes of Eoin Ban and Jamie Brennan have really flourished with still plenty to come. Division 2 will allow the likes of Tony McClenaghan, Daoire O'Baoill, Stephen McMenamin, Michael Langan, Niall O'Donnell, Jason McGee and Cian Mulligan to continue their development, gain more experience and hopefully be much more the finished article if returning to Division 1 next year. On the game itself I don't think the ref done us much favours not just the steps but there were a couple of frees I thought that were more than a bit soft but enough of that. The game was there to be won from a Donegal perspective but we failed to tag on some relatively straight forward chances towards the end plus what could have been a walk in 3 pointer at the very end. What got Donegal back into the game was the direct quick running of Jamie Brennan, Eoin Ban and Michael Murphy but this was abandoned in the 2nd half for a more reserved approach. Hopefully the team will learn from this and put the foot down when the opportunity is there rather than just seeing it out. It brought back memories of the Ulster final in 2016 so we need to move on from this. Donegal will not be winning any All Irelands this year but making the Super 8's is very realistic. Plus hopefully if we do make it to the Super 8's that we compete well and not be served up the embarrassments of last year under the previous regime."
Jamie Brennan and Eoghan Ban Gallagher are two great prospects. Where has Kieran Gillespie disappeared to?

ISupposeSoSheehan (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 27/03/2018 14:24:28    2088728

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