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Division 2 And A Farcical Situation

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Replying To ROS1:  "It is a real pity that tg4 aren't showing one of these division 2 games instead of a dead rubber game of dublin vs monaghan."
Tng4 should be showing the Donegal v Mayo match.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 24/03/2018 13:26:09    2087409

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Tng4 should be showing the Donegal v Mayo match."
They are showing Donegal vs mayo live..during the week they had advertised as Dublin vs Monaghan live

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1057 - 24/03/2018 13:47:24    2087416

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Replying To dave1988:  "They are showing Donegal vs mayo live..during the week they had advertised as Dublin vs Monaghan live"
Ah that's grand then cheers.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 24/03/2018 13:54:44    2087418

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Tng4 should be showing the Donegal v Mayo match."
They are showing tipp dublin at 1, mayo Donegal at 3 and deferred Dublin monaghan. They should be showing tipp Cavan due to its importance but they are in croke park anyway with the hurling so it makes sense when set up for a live broadcast to show Dublin monaghan.

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 24/03/2018 14:04:18    2087419

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Replying To dave1988:  "They should be showing Cavan vs tipp in what should be a good game with a good atmosphere.."
Correct and right

I'm obviously biased but ill be at the game so it's no skin off my nose. .

They didn't get showing the Cavan Meath game due to weather.
Division 2 games should be at 2pm tomorrow with division 1 games at 3.30.
One of each should be live on torrestrial tv (tg4) with 2 more on eir.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 24/03/2018 14:09:18    2087420

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Correct and right

I'm obviously biased but ill be at the game so it's no skin off my nose. .

They didn't get showing the Cavan Meath game due to weather.
Division 2 games should be at 2pm tomorrow with division 1 games at 3.30.
One of each should be live on torrestrial tv (tg4) with 2 more on eir."
Very good idea Cavanman, staging games at different times and showing a few live games. Its the simplest ideas that produce the best results.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 24/03/2018 16:39:08    2087447

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Replying To dave1988:  "They are showing Donegal vs mayo live..during the week they had advertised as Dublin vs Monaghan live"
The are showing the mayo game live but also showing the dubs game deferred.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 24/03/2018 17:14:05    2087461

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Replying To ROS1:  "It is a real pity that tg4 aren't showing one of these division 2 games instead of a dead rubber game of dublin vs monaghan."
The dubs have been shown on TV in every game since the start of the league so why stop now.

Outside of Dublin and Monaghan there will be no interest in this game, the Tipp game would be very good game to watch instead.

The coverage on TG4 and RTE of the lower divisions has been very poor these year both live and the highlights programmes. Some good matches especially in division 2 this year but little or no coverage.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 24/03/2018 18:14:25    2087475

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "The dubs have been shown on TV in every game since the start of the league so why stop now.

Outside of Dublin and Monaghan there will be no interest in this game, the Tipp game would be very good game to watch instead.

The coverage on TG4 and RTE of the lower divisions has been very poor these year both live and the highlights programmes. Some good matches especially in division 2 this year but little or no coverage."
I agree but I wouldn't be so hard on tg4 for their limited budget at least they realise there is football outside of D1. They have shown at least some D2 games on the highlight show.Rte didn't even show the results or mention the other three division some nights there nothing short of a disgrace tbh

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 24/03/2018 19:48:55    2087509

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Just reading Kevin McStays comments as reported in the paper and on the home page re the gamble the GAA are taking with fixing the games this way.

I hope the gamble pays off but if it does not then expect some sort of back lash from any county affected.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 25/03/2018 12:40:09    2087647

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Well it looks like Division 2 will be completed after all. However Tipp now have nothing to play for, so its more likely that Down will win this than if it was played before the final round of games. Meath should beat Louth regardless, but it should never have come to this

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 25/03/2018 19:10:13    2087856

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Replying To petejoeduff:  "Well it looks like Division 2 will be completed after all. However Tipp now have nothing to play for, so its more likely that Down will win this than if it was played before the final round of games. Meath should beat Louth regardless, but it should never have come to this"
Agreed

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/03/2018 19:30:02    2087878

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Replying To petejoeduff:  "Well it looks like Division 2 will be completed after all. However Tipp now have nothing to play for, so its more likely that Down will win this than if it was played before the final round of games. Meath should beat Louth regardless, but it should never have come to this"
Cork still affected by this on my reckoning as well. It is a long shot but if Meath were to draw and Down beat Tipperary by 13 points then Cork are relegated to Division 3. All 3 teams would be on 6 points so head to head goes out the window and its all about score difference.

Now if Cork are relegated by this set of results I think it will have been very unfair on them.

From a Meath perspective its all in their own hands but if Louth win then we had a safety net if Tipperary beat Down, but that has been eroded somewhat by the fact that Tipperary have nothing to play for now.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 25/03/2018 20:07:35    2087904

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Firstly congrats to Roscommon and Cavan on their promotion back to Division 1. They were definitely the best two teams in Division 2 this year.

As for the refixed games. I think they should have been played before the round 7 fixtures. With regards Tipp and Louth I think some posters on here are being disrespectful to assume that they won't try to win their last games.

We'd like to finish 3rd and head to championship on a win as opposed to back to back defeats. I'm sure Louth would like to win too and especially if it help relegate their close neighbours Meath.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 26/03/2018 17:40:17    2088400

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Firstly congrats to Roscommon and Cavan on their promotion back to Division 1. They were definitely the best two teams in Division 2 this year.

As for the refixed games. I think they should have been played before the round 7 fixtures. With regards Tipp and Louth I think some posters on here are being disrespectful to assume that they won't try to win their last games.

We'd like to finish 3rd and head to championship on a win as opposed to back to back defeats. I'm sure Louth would like to win too and especially if it help relegate their close neighbours Meath."
Yep I would not disagree with your sentiments. I have great respect for what Tipperary have achieved given their resources in a mainly Hurling county and they have consistently out performed more illustrious opponents.

So as the starter of the thread I never meant to disrespect them, but merely to question the logic of arranging the games like this. No doubt if the two outstanding games went ahead there may have been dead rubbers in the final round but that was if you like the natural order.

This way of playing the games has resulted in maybe the edge being taken off Tipperary as whilst they would like to finish on a winning note and claim 3rd its really not the be all and end all.

If anything I was pointing out that the GAA were actually potentially putting Tipperary in this situation and that it wasn't fair.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 26/03/2018 18:18:23    2088414

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Tipp will want to win this game it's great championship preparation to be playing a team like Down albeit they have had a poor league but always tough games. Tipperary struggle against Northern Teams and we'll have another host of them in Armagh Fermanagh and Donegal next year. Since Down are fighting for their lives will be a great test for Tipp.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 26/03/2018 18:24:20    2088417

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The league has been a total disaster for Louth so far. Six games played, six defeats and nil points. Wee along with Kildare are theonly teams not to have any points. But Kildare were unlucky to lose a few of them matches by a point or two and are playing at a higher level. I don't ever remember Louth not getting any points in the league. The closest was in 2004. They played Waterford in the last league match in Drogheda. Both teams had no points and Louth won that match. Louth have the worse scoring record in the country with -59. They have only scored 69 points in the league. The second lowest. Only Wicklow have scored less. They have conceded 128. Only Kildare have conceded more. They only scored one goal which they did yesterday against Clare and has conceded 12 goals. On average they are scoring 12 points per match while conceding on average 21 points per match.

Louth won't need any motivation this weekend when the Royals come into town with this Battle of the Boyne clash. On paper Meath should walk this game. But form goes out the window for derby matches. Meath won the last league match in 2014 at Drogheda by a point. Louth were already relegated when Meath came to Drogheda in what was the last league match that year. Can lighting strike twice for the Wee County? In 2012 they avoided relegation when they relegated Meath on Easter Sunday. Could the wonderful Wee County relegate Meath again on Easter? Get the rosary beads out. An Lu Abu!

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 26/03/2018 18:48:27    2088429

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Firstly congrats to Roscommon and Cavan on their promotion back to Division 1. They were definitely the best two teams in Division 2 this year.

As for the refixed games. I think they should have been played before the round 7 fixtures. With regards Tipp and Louth I think some posters on here are being disrespectful to assume that they won't try to win their last games.

We'd like to finish 3rd and head to championship on a win as opposed to back to back defeats. I'm sure Louth would like to win too and especially if it help relegate their close neighbours Meath."
There was nothing between roscommon, cavan and tipp. One had to miss out and it was us. As for the down game if we dont play anything but fringe/squad players ill be really annoyed. Could you imagine playing quinlivan, sweeney, kiely or and starters and they got a season ending injury in a game that means nothing to us. Finishing 3rd or 4th doesnt make the slightest bit of difference at all. If meath cant beat louth they cant have any complaints if they go down. Look at division 3, armagh finished top beaten by wexford who finished last, is there outrage over this? Im sure there were many other games this weekend where weakened teams were put out. Non of this will matter, meath will win, down will win and down will be relegated on head to head with cork

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 26/03/2018 19:00:50    2088435

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "Yep I would not disagree with your sentiments. I have great respect for what Tipperary have achieved given their resources in a mainly Hurling county and they have consistently out performed more illustrious opponents.

So as the starter of the thread I never meant to disrespect them, but merely to question the logic of arranging the games like this. No doubt if the two outstanding games went ahead there may have been dead rubbers in the final round but that was if you like the natural order.

This way of playing the games has resulted in maybe the edge being taken off Tipperary as whilst they would like to finish on a winning note and claim 3rd its really not the be all and end all.

If anything I was pointing out that the GAA were actually potentially putting Tipperary in this situation and that it wasn't fair."
Absolutely, the GAA are a disgrace here. Waterford are dead right to speak out about their game with Leitrim being pulled too. It is a joke. All teams should get at least 7 league games in preparation for the championship.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/03/2018 15:32:29    2089352

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Replying To tipp11:  "There was nothing between roscommon, cavan and tipp. One had to miss out and it was us. As for the down game if we dont play anything but fringe/squad players ill be really annoyed. Could you imagine playing quinlivan, sweeney, kiely or and starters and they got a season ending injury in a game that means nothing to us. Finishing 3rd or 4th doesnt make the slightest bit of difference at all. If meath cant beat louth they cant have any complaints if they go down. Look at division 3, armagh finished top beaten by wexford who finished last, is there outrage over this? Im sure there were many other games this weekend where weakened teams were put out. Non of this will matter, meath will win, down will win and down will be relegated on head to head with cork"
I have to disagree with you on this one Tipp11. Winning is an attitude and habit, not something you choose to do one day and not the next.

As for injuries to frontline players, they could just as easily get injured in Morris Park as Newry. I hope we win in Newry it would be a good confidence booster ahead of the championship if we did.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/03/2018 15:37:05    2089356

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