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Division 2 And A Farcical Situation

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Replying To reffingmad: "if Tipp beat Cavan at the weekend, then the Roscommon result does not matter as they would be ahead of Cavan on the head to head." If tipp beat Cavan then we have to draw or win against cork to go up because if we lost to cork and tipp win and then down beat tipp we are all on 9 points and we have the worst scoring difference so tipp and Cavan would go up..lots to play for yet in division 2..I'm thinking Meath will survive with louth and down goin to division three. You add kildare Armagh Donegal or mayo to division two next year and its a place I wouldn't want to be dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1057 - 21/03/2018 19:11:38 2086753 Link
Replying To s goldrick: "yes difficult one. I would say first of all find out from the sideline are Roscommon losing. If they are then take the point as a draw would be enough. If Rosc are winning Well I would still take the point as it gives you hope. chances are that we wouldnt engineer a goal anway and we would would be out" Thats part of the problem with these arrangements because if these were the last round of 7 that were being played all at the same time, Cavan would know exactly what was required. In the present scenario they have to take the draw and then Tipperary know that they have to beat Down and they qualify and there is no ifs and buts. Play the two outstanding games first then both Cavan and Tipperary know exactly what is required and thats much fairer? Having said all of that, as a Meath man I would swap the Cavan situation for ours any day of the week!!!! ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 21/03/2018 20:14:44 2086766 Link
Tipp v Down will be played next weekend April 1st. If they are still in the promotion picture then the final will be pushed back to April 7th. ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2487 - 21/03/2018 20:46:40 2086777 Link
Replying To maroondiesel: "Need to revise the 2019 schedule alright, but look the GAA are trying to accommodate everybody. Might have to scrap all those January tournaments and make space. Meath are frustrated because they might drop to div. 3 and are looking for excuses, blaming Tipp if they lose to Down etc." I didnt hear anybody blame Tipperary if Meath are relegated. Our performances especially in latter stages of league simply not good enough. Abit harsh really. I think what people are saying is that the situation is farcial and unfair on teams, players and counties. Typical if the GAA. A GAA solution to a problem! David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 21/03/2018 21:19:16 2086795 Link
Replying To David: "I didnt hear anybody blame Tipperary if Meath are relegated. Our performances especially in latter stages of league simply not good enough. Abit harsh really. I think what people are saying is that the situation is farcial and unfair on teams, players and counties. Typical if the GAA. A GAA solution to a problem!" Correct. No one in Meath will blame anybody but ourselves if we are relegated and certainly not Tipperary as its not their fault they find themselves in this situation. It also has some implications for teams in the promotion race so it affects more than Meath. ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 21/03/2018 22:06:11 2086810 Link
This is the national league - the GAA officially condoning the non fulfilment of fixtures is an unwelcome development. consider the level of preparation teams put in whether they are in the running for something or not, these are the flagship teams in their respective countries. This represents an unwelcome precedent and is especially dangerous for weaker counties (esp Div4) whereby the underlying message is it doesn't matter whether ye fulfil your programme. (It should be irrelevant whether the counties wish to meet the fixture as the league should be preeminent) Throw in the level of uncertainty- we mite play the finals next weekend if certain results arise and the following if others happen; if the weather improves we can play the match tomorrow irrespective of whether lads are available - the whole thing reeks of amateur hour.... I'd say the sponsors must be delighted!! Trying to shoehorn the NFL programme into the current window was nuts from day 1 - the first quarter usually has the worse weather, plan a few free slots for such occurrences at the back end of the programme... Am I missing something? Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 540 - 21/03/2018 22:46:41 2086820 Link
It's some joke alright and so disrespectful to all the teams in Division 2. I think earlier in the week it was suggested that if Tipp were promoted at the weekend and Meath were relegated the GAA wouldn't bother having the game between Down and Tipp. If that was the case and I was from Down I would be livid because it would be one less home game. I would be demanding compensation from the GAA for lack of gate receipts. From a Down and Tipp point of view, it would be unfair because both teams would lose out on a national league fixture to help them prepare for the Ulster and Munster championships. It's a complete farce and very unfair on Meath and Down, two proud counties who have won 2 all-Irelands each over the last 27 years. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 22/03/2018 01:56:12 2086844 Link
Replying To dave1988: "If tipp beat Cavan then we have to draw or win against cork to go up because if we lost to cork and tipp win and then down beat tipp we are all on 9 points and we have the worst scoring difference so tipp and Cavan would go up..lots to play for yet in division 2..I'm thinking Meath will survive with louth and down goin to division three. You add kildare Armagh Donegal or mayo to division two next year and its a place I wouldn't want to be" But Roscommon beat both teams so do they not go up regardless? and if Tipp win do Tipp not go up regardless in second place as they beat Cavan on the head to head? Or am I totally wrong on that? Can anyone advise on this with 100% certainty? tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 22/03/2018 11:51:12 2086911 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "But Roscommon beat both teams so do they not go up regardless? and if Tipp win do Tipp not go up regardless in second place as they beat Cavan on the head to head? Or am I totally wrong on that? Can anyone advise on this with 100% certainty?" Yes. With 100% certainty, if more than 2 teams finish level on points, then it comes down to score difference. It doesn't matter who beat who. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 22/03/2018 11:55:55 2086916 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "But Roscommon beat both teams so do they not go up regardless? and if Tipp win do Tipp not go up regardless in second place as they beat Cavan on the head to head? Or am I totally wrong on that? Can anyone advise on this with 100% certainty?" if 3 or more are level NONE of the head to head results count. Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6342 - 22/03/2018 12:01:18 2086921 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "But Roscommon beat both teams so do they not go up regardless? and if Tipp win do Tipp not go up regardless in second place as they beat Cavan on the head to head? Or am I totally wrong on that? Can anyone advise on this with 100% certainty?" It appears head to head only comes into play when two teams are on the same points (if Wikipedia is to be believed) You could have the case where Roscommon don't go up despite beating Tipp and Cavan, I don't think In Tipp's wildest dreams did they think they'd be in this situation. Cavan will have plenty of motivation however and will certainly be warm favs tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 22/03/2018 12:04:22 2086922 Link
Replying To dave1988: "If tipp beat Cavan then we have to draw or win against cork to go up because if we lost to cork and tipp win and then down beat tipp we are all on 9 points and we have the worst scoring difference so tipp and Cavan would go up..lots to play for yet in division 2..I'm thinking Meath will survive with louth and down goin to division three. You add kildare Armagh Donegal or mayo to division two next year and its a place I wouldn't want to be" The way its looking, its a place Meath would love to be seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 22/03/2018 20:28:10 2087109 Link
Replying To maroondiesel: "Need to revise the 2019 schedule alright, but look the GAA are trying to accommodate everybody. Might have to scrap all those January tournaments and make space. Meath are frustrated because they might drop to div. 3 and are looking for excuses, blaming Tipp if they lose to Down etc." Do not see any Meath poster looking to blame Tipp, where do you see that? seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 22/03/2018 20:34:11 2087112 Link
Replying To seadog54: "The way its looking, its a place Meath would love to be" That's true dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1057 - 22/03/2018 21:52:24 2087128 Link
The game between Meath and Down even prior to this fixture farce was always going to be a winner takes all affair. Meath by 2 and to easily account for Louth (sorry Louth lads) Kiwiq (Kildare) - Posts: 38 - 23/03/2018 04:27:25 2087158 Link
Down v Tipp could have been played last Monday in Newry - it was a bank holiday in the 6 counties cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1673 - 23/03/2018 09:13:46 2087172 Link
It is a real pity that tg4 aren't showing one of these division 2 games instead of a dead rubber game of dublin vs monaghan. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 24/03/2018 11:04:42 2087382 Link
They should be showing Cavan vs tipp in what should be a good game with a good atmosphere.. dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1057 - 24/03/2018 12:16:50 2087397 Link
Or the Meath v Down game. Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 24/03/2018 13:08:25 2087404 Link
Replying To ROS1: "It is a real pity that tg4 aren't showing one of these division 2 games instead of a dead rubber game of dublin vs monaghan." Don't agree on much with you. But you are absolutely right on this royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/03/2018 13:24:55 2087408 Link