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Division 2 And A Farcical Situation

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So the GAA have decided to play the round 7 games next weekend and if the 2 finalists are known, then the final will be played on Easter Sunday with the two remaining outstanding games played on a date to be confirmed.

So they are allowing a situation where it is possible that Tipperary will be asked to travel to Down to play a game that could decide relegation, where either Tipperary have reached and played in the divisional final, or have nothing to play for (that is cannot reach the final nor be relegated).

I know you can have a situation where a team with nothing to play for ends up playing a team involved in a relegation fight and thats just the luck of the draw.

But in this case the GAA are encouraging it because if they fixed the two outstanding games for next weekend with the round 7 games the following week and the final the following weekend then there would not be a problem. In this case Down play Tipperary next weekend where both teams need to win and in the round 7 games the following week Down play Meath and these are the two teams fighting relegation.

Sorry if this sounds complicated but if you have a look at the tables and the fixtures then you will understand what I am on about.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 20/03/2018 19:33:27    2086372

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "So the GAA have decided to play the round 7 games next weekend and if the 2 finalists are known, then the final will be played on Easter Sunday with the two remaining outstanding games played on a date to be confirmed.

So they are allowing a situation where it is possible that Tipperary will be asked to travel to Down to play a game that could decide relegation, where either Tipperary have reached and played in the divisional final, or have nothing to play for (that is cannot reach the final nor be relegated).

I know you can have a situation where a team with nothing to play for ends up playing a team involved in a relegation fight and thats just the luck of the draw.

But in this case the GAA are encouraging it because if they fixed the two outstanding games for next weekend with the round 7 games the following week and the final the following weekend then there would not be a problem. In this case Down play Tipperary next weekend where both teams need to win and in the round 7 games the following week Down play Meath and these are the two teams fighting relegation.

Sorry if this sounds complicated but if you have a look at the tables and the fixtures then you will understand what I am on about."
It does not make any sense. Maybe it shows how little interest they have in the lower divisions

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 20/03/2018 23:15:03    2086481

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Am I right in thinking that at this moment every team in div 2 has still something to play for. Roscommon, Cavan and Tipp can be promoted, Cork,clare,Down,meath and Louth can all be relegated and also they all have a mathematical chance of surviving.
Although Louth's chances are very slim and also Cork would need to completely implode and other results go against them to get relegated. The results that the GAA fixtures committee want on Sunday would be both a Roscommon and a Cavan victory.
so they can go ahead with their ridiculous and unnecessary "league final". However that set of results would not do Meath any favours should they happen to beat Down this weekend as Tipp would have nothing to play for in thrir match against Down. I believe Tipp will beat Cavan and Roscommon will beat Cork leaving Roscommon on 11, Tipp and Cavan on 9 with the Tipp v Down game still to come.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 20/03/2018 23:26:12    2086486

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "So the GAA have decided to play the round 7 games next weekend and if the 2 finalists are known, then the final will be played on Easter Sunday with the two remaining outstanding games played on a date to be confirmed.

So they are allowing a situation where it is possible that Tipperary will be asked to travel to Down to play a game that could decide relegation, where either Tipperary have reached and played in the divisional final, or have nothing to play for (that is cannot reach the final nor be relegated).

I know you can have a situation where a team with nothing to play for ends up playing a team involved in a relegation fight and thats just the luck of the draw.

But in this case the GAA are encouraging it because if they fixed the two outstanding games for next weekend with the round 7 games the following week and the final the following weekend then there would not be a problem. In this case Down play Tipperary next weekend where both teams need to win and in the round 7 games the following week Down play Meath and these are the two teams fighting relegation.

Sorry if this sounds complicated but if you have a look at the tables and the fixtures then you will understand what I am on about."
Not ideal alright but in fairness there is a possibility that tipp will still have something to play for when the play down while Louth are already gone down so have nothing to play for when the play meath.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/03/2018 07:13:00    2086506

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Am I right in thinking that at this moment every team in div 2 has still something to play for. Roscommon, Cavan and Tipp can be promoted, Cork,clare,Down,meath and Louth can all be relegated and also they all have a mathematical chance of surviving.
Although Louth's chances are very slim and also Cork would need to completely implode and other results go against them to get relegated. The results that the GAA fixtures committee want on Sunday would be both a Roscommon and a Cavan victory.
so they can go ahead with their ridiculous and unnecessary "league final". However that set of results would not do Meath any favours should they happen to beat Down this weekend as Tipp would have nothing to play for in thrir match against Down. I believe Tipp will beat Cavan and Roscommon will beat Cork leaving Roscommon on 11, Tipp and Cavan on 9 with the Tipp v Down game still to come."
If both tipp and roscommon win on Sunday, the will both be promoted regardless of the down tIpp results. I don't know what your problem with the league finals is, it is not to often cavan or carlow are playing in croker and especially for silverware. Good prep for the championship as well.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/03/2018 07:20:54    2086508

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Am I right in thinking that at this moment every team in div 2 has still something to play for. Roscommon, Cavan and Tipp can be promoted, Cork,clare,Down,meath and Louth can all be relegated and also they all have a mathematical chance of surviving.
Although Louth's chances are very slim and also Cork would need to completely implode and other results go against them to get relegated. The results that the GAA fixtures committee want on Sunday would be both a Roscommon and a Cavan victory.
so they can go ahead with their ridiculous and unnecessary "league final". However that set of results would not do Meath any favours should they happen to beat Down this weekend as Tipp would have nothing to play for in thrir match against Down. I believe Tipp will beat Cavan and Roscommon will beat Cork leaving Roscommon on 11, Tipp and Cavan on 9 with the Tipp v Down game still to come."
In that case tipp would have Cavan on head to head. I will be shocked if promotion isn't sorted by this weekend and it looks almost certain like the loser of down Meath will be relegated. Louth (sorry to say) are completely out of their depth and I'll be amazed if Meath or Clare don't beat them and cork have Meath and down on head to head. It's not a good situation but it looks like straight shoot outs between Cavan tipp and Meath down to sort things and hopefully that will be the case.

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 21/03/2018 07:21:22    2086509

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Am I right in thinking that at this moment every team in div 2 has still something to play for. Roscommon, Cavan and Tipp can be promoted, Cork,clare,Down,meath and Louth can all be relegated and also they all have a mathematical chance of surviving.
Although Louth's chances are very slim and also Cork would need to completely implode and other results go against them to get relegated. The results that the GAA fixtures committee want on Sunday would be both a Roscommon and a Cavan victory.
so they can go ahead with their ridiculous and unnecessary "league final". However that set of results would not do Meath any favours should they happen to beat Down this weekend as Tipp would have nothing to play for in thrir match against Down. I believe Tipp will beat Cavan and Roscommon will beat Cork leaving Roscommon on 11, Tipp and Cavan on 9 with the Tipp v Down game still to come."
No I think Louth are relegated because of head to head results and only Meath or Down can join them. At the top its between Roscommon, Cavan and Tipperary with the winners of Cavan and Tipperary going up.

However my point is that the best way to avoid any issues and to ensure the integrity and fairness of the league, is to play the two outstanding games next weekend with the round 7 games pushed back a week and the final played the following week.

If Tipperary beat Cavan in your last scenario, they will be promoted there and then on account of head to head results so their game against Down is irrelevant to them as they are already promoted. Either way they will be playing Down and will have nothing to play for.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 21/03/2018 08:38:57    2086516

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Am I right in thinking that at this moment every team in div 2 has still something to play for. Roscommon, Cavan and Tipp can be promoted, Cork,clare,Down,meath and Louth can all be relegated and also they all have a mathematical chance of surviving.
Although Louth's chances are very slim and also Cork would need to completely implode and other results go against them to get relegated. The results that the GAA fixtures committee want on Sunday would be both a Roscommon and a Cavan victory.
so they can go ahead with their ridiculous and unnecessary "league final". However that set of results would not do Meath any favours should they happen to beat Down this weekend as Tipp would have nothing to play for in thrir match against Down. I believe Tipp will beat Cavan and Roscommon will beat Cork leaving Roscommon on 11, Tipp and Cavan on 9 with the Tipp v Down game still to come."
Louth are already relegated. Everyone else has something to play for.

If Tipp beat Cavan this week and Roscommon beat cork then the final will be Tipp v Roscommon I think. No matter what Tipp did against down they would have Cavan in the head to head. I'm sure they wouldn't be too interested in the down game after that either.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 21/03/2018 09:07:08    2086522

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Replying To Greenfield:  "Louth are already relegated. Everyone else has something to play for.

If Tipp beat Cavan this week and Roscommon beat cork then the final will be Tipp v Roscommon I think. No matter what Tipp did against down they would have Cavan in the head to head. I'm sure they wouldn't be too interested in the down game after that either."
if Tipp beat Cavan at the weekend, then the Roscommon result does not matter as they would be ahead of Cavan on the head to head.

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 21/03/2018 09:24:22    2086528

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This is just silly. The last round of fixtures need to be just that all games playing at the same time after all other fixtures in the Division have been completed.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 21/03/2018 09:29:07    2086530

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Replying To reffingmad:  "if Tipp beat Cavan at the weekend, then the Roscommon result does not matter as they would be ahead of Cavan on the head to head."
If three teams finish level it is scoring difference. So by my reckoning if Tipp win against Cavan and lose against Down and Cork beat the Rossies it is by scoring difference with head to head not mattering.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 21/03/2018 09:49:53    2086534

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Typical ad hoc solution to a problem by the GAA which has the potential to turn into a massive cluster ****. Rescheduling everything was probably too much work to them. They'll be praying there's no draws this weekend and everything sorts itself out by Sunday evening.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 21/03/2018 09:54:29    2086535

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Need to revise the 2019 schedule alright, but look the GAA are trying to accommodate everybody. Might have to scrap all those January tournaments and make space. Meath are frustrated because they might drop to div. 3 and are looking for excuses, blaming Tipp if they lose to Down etc.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 21/03/2018 10:21:40    2086546

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Replying To kiloughter:  "If three teams finish level it is scoring difference. So by my reckoning if Tipp win against Cavan and lose against Down and Cork beat the Rossies it is by scoring difference with head to head not mattering."
Yes that is right. If that happens tipp and cavan would be promoted unless either cavan or tipp get well beaten.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/03/2018 11:59:03    2086576

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Need to revise the 2019 schedule alright, but look the GAA are trying to accommodate everybody. Might have to scrap all those January tournaments and make space. Meath are frustrated because they might drop to div. 3 and are looking for excuses, blaming Tipp if they lose to Down etc."
To be fair, no one is or will blame Tipperary if they lose to Down. They are entirely blameless in all of this

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 21/03/2018 12:07:13    2086581

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Replying To reffingmad:  "if Tipp beat Cavan at the weekend, then the Roscommon result does not matter as they would be ahead of Cavan on the head to head."
unless of course Down beat Tipp in the last game and Tipp,Ross and Cavan all end on 9 points and it comes down to score diff.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 21/03/2018 12:41:16    2086594

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Cavan in a position which is arkward. Let's say time is up. Cavan are losing by a point and have a free. Do they go for a point because a draw might be enough or try and work a goal because they feel they need to win.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 21/03/2018 13:16:08    2086609

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Cavan in a position which is arkward. Let's say time is up. Cavan are losing by a point and have a free. Do they go for a point because a draw might be enough or try and work a goal because they feel they need to win."
You go for the win in my eyes, it's in everyone's hands to go out and win the game and seal their own faith. The way things are you can't say, we'll take the draw and pin all our hopes on another team. That's my thoughts anyway.

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 21/03/2018 13:48:02    2086620

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Cavan in a position which is arkward. Let's say time is up. Cavan are losing by a point and have a free. Do they go for a point because a draw might be enough or try and work a goal because they feel they need to win."
yes difficult one. I would say first of all find out from the sideline are Roscommon losing. If they are then take the point as a draw would be enough. If Rosc are winning Well I would still take the point as it gives you hope. chances are that we wouldnt engineer a goal anway and we would would be out

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 21/03/2018 16:15:20    2086678

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Replying To kiloughter:  "If three teams finish level it is scoring difference. So by my reckoning if Tipp win against Cavan and lose against Down and Cork beat the Rossies it is by scoring difference with head to head not mattering."
Yes you are right. I'm presuming Tipp would beat Down. Me bad

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 21/03/2018 18:28:01    2086734

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