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Dublin 2018 V Donegal 2012

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A Dublin win or can posters make a case for Donegal beating them?

The easy answer is to suggest that Dublin have matured as a team and would deal with the blanket defence but what Tyrone offered last year was miles off where the Donegal team were in 2012. I think it would be a very close game.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 09/03/2018 08:53:04    2082864

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Brazil 1970 v Kerry 1980

Now there's a game!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 09/03/2018 09:20:49    2082868

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Brazil 1970 v Kerry 1980

Now there's a game!"
The Brazilian defense wouldn't have a chance of containing that Kerry forward line!!

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 09/03/2018 09:51:21    2082875

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No comparison. Dublin are light years ahead now. We would most likely have beaten Dublin in 2012. We will never know though.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 09/03/2018 10:05:58    2082880

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Brazil 1970 v Kerry 1980

Now there's a game!"
Garincha was player with his bow legs.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/03/2018 10:17:06    2082882

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Would be very unfair on the Donegal lads.

Sure some of them would be almost 40 at this stage.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 09/03/2018 10:34:11    2082889

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Garincha was player with his bow legs."
Sorry that should say garincha was some player with his bow legs.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/03/2018 10:44:40    2082893

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Replying To JDF:  "A Dublin win or can posters make a case for Donegal beating them?

The easy answer is to suggest that Dublin have matured as a team and would deal with the blanket defence but what Tyrone offered last year was miles off where the Donegal team were in 2012. I think it would be a very close game."
Dubs are good at winning the close ones so I'd fancy them to pull it off.
They're more settled now and have better mental strength which probably was lacking back then.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/03/2018 10:59:34    2082896

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Daddy or chips?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 09/03/2018 11:02:37    2082897

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Dublin hands down. They are the best team i have ever seen play the game. They have that All Blacks mentality.

TheFrenchCannotBeTrusted (Kildare) - Posts: 7 - 09/03/2018 13:07:26    2082928

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Donegal without a doubt !! seriously though I think this Dublin team can be beat but it's going to take a hell of a team and a great performance with everything going near 100% right on the day to do it in the white heat of Championship,
Though they have shown little real form and recent All Ireland series performances wouldn't favour them I think Tyrone will go close to winning Sam this year. seems very unlikely now I know but I just have a notion they are going to have a good year.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 09/03/2018 13:11:00    2082930

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Donegal without a doubt !! seriously though I think this Dublin team can be beat but it's going to take a hell of a team and a great performance with everything going near 100% right on the day to do it in the white heat of Championship,
Though they have shown little real form and recent All Ireland series performances wouldn't favour them I think Tyrone will go close to winning Sam this year. seems very unlikely now I know but I just have a notion they are going to have a good year."
Obviously we can be beaten and will be at some point .. All the great teams are beaten you'd swear Dublin are different the way people go on here. The great Kerry team that won numerous all Ireland's on the bounce, the great New Zealand rugby team, the arsenal 49 game unbeaten league run etc. and no shit it'll take a good team to do it, naturally enough like ... Talk about stating the obvious

On the topic itself it's an absolutely ridiculous question as they are two teams in two eras. We will never know so it's all guess work and in all honesty who even cares?? I respect its a fora and things will be discussed but these threads Annoy me ... Tyrone of the 00s or Dublin of the last 5 years.. Again, impossible to say.

Why can't people just appreciate great teams for what they are in their prime. It have no bearing or relevance of people think team x from one decade would beat team Y from another ..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/03/2018 14:32:30    2082948

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Replying To waynoI:  "Obviously we can be beaten and will be at some point .. All the great teams are beaten you'd swear Dublin are different the way people go on here. The great Kerry team that won numerous all Ireland's on the bounce, the great New Zealand rugby team, the arsenal 49 game unbeaten league run etc. and no shit it'll take a good team to do it, naturally enough like ... Talk about stating the obvious

On the topic itself it's an absolutely ridiculous question as they are two teams in two eras. We will never know so it's all guess work and in all honesty who even cares?? I respect its a fora and things will be discussed but these threads Annoy me ... Tyrone of the 00s or Dublin of the last 5 years.. Again, impossible to say.

Why can't people just appreciate great teams for what they are in their prime. It have no bearing or relevance of people think team x from one decade would beat team Y from another .."
Wayno ye have the population and infrastructure to stay at the top for good, ourselves and Kilkenny were never going to be able to sustain our dominance whereas ye will, it will be interesting to see if Dublin knocks out 5 or 6 or 7 in a row what people will have to say about it then.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/03/2018 15:29:51    2082970

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Replying To waynoI:  "Obviously we can be beaten and will be at some point .. All the great teams are beaten you'd swear Dublin are different the way people go on here. The great Kerry team that won numerous all Ireland's on the bounce, the great New Zealand rugby team, the arsenal 49 game unbeaten league run etc. and no shit it'll take a good team to do it, naturally enough like ... Talk about stating the obvious

On the topic itself it's an absolutely ridiculous question as they are two teams in two eras. We will never know so it's all guess work and in all honesty who even cares?? I respect its a fora and things will be discussed but these threads Annoy me ... Tyrone of the 00s or Dublin of the last 5 years.. Again, impossible to say.

Why can't people just appreciate great teams for what they are in their prime. It have no bearing or relevance of people think team x from one decade would beat team Y from another .."
Tyrone of the noughties would have frustrated the hell out of Dublin like they did to that great Kerry team, they would have exposed any ill discipline in the Dublin ranks too, they were great wind up merchants as well as great players, I think they'd have beaten the current Dublin team, saying that I think Kerry from that era would have beaten this current Dublin set up too.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 09/03/2018 17:36:30    2082993

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Garincha was player with his bow legs."
Garincha played for Brazil 1958 and 1962 World cups. Not there in 1970.
I think Pele, Rivelino, Gerson, Tostao, Jairzinho, and Carlos Alberto would have too much for the Kerrymen

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/03/2018 00:57:55    2083083

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Garincha was player with his bow legs."
Garincha played for Brazil 1958 and 1962 World cups. Not there in 1970.
I think Pele, Rivelino, Gerson, Tostao, Jairzinho, and Carlos Alberto would have too much for the Kerrymen

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/03/2018 00:58:19    2083084

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Well they did play in the semi final in 2011 and Dublin narrowly one in an immensely tight game. Whether Donegal were stronger and Dublin weaker in 2012 and vice versa in 2015, its subjective really and different context was at play. I think you have to enjoy the particular success any given year.

On Dublins legacy, you are never as unpopular as the moment you are dominant, personally i think this Dublin team will be the bench mark for a time to come in terms of success and dominance of the counties who aspire to sit at the top of the table. A benchmark has been set in success in the modern era that others will be compared against. I think with the passing of time and the passing of rawness and frustration and other counties achieve success its all a bit envious at the moment and hurtful at the moment similar to when other teams dominated, when that passes as it inevitably does this Dublin team will be remembered with as much esteem as any other who dominated a decade to be honest.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/03/2018 09:02:12    2083103

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It's all good natured what's and ifs stuff this but essentially there is no answer.
For me though this current Dublin side will be compared to all great sides and they will hold their own with any I've seen before and then some.
When they loose you can see the glee in the opposition having achieved what so many couldn't do as with kerry in last year's league final.OK,it was a final but I think it was more the fact it was this current Dublin side although probably a little undercooked that they saw as the real prize.
Donegal from 2012 were a fine side and caught a Dublin team who were full of gungho but hadn't the inner strength or know how to deal with the scenario that unfolded and were beaten fair and square in the end and Donegal completely deserved their all ireland that year.
What makes a great is longevity, consistency and ability in adversity to overcome. I'll leave it with you.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 10/03/2018 09:42:09    2083115

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Tyrone of the noughties would have frustrated the hell out of Dublin like they did to that great Kerry team, they would have exposed any ill discipline in the Dublin ranks too, they were great wind up merchants as well as great players, I think they'd have beaten the current Dublin team, saying that I think Kerry from that era would have beaten this current Dublin set up too."
In fairness the Dublin team of the 00s drew with Tyrone in 2005 and ran the Kerry team rally close in 2007.

If that Dublin team was capable of that then I think this Dublin team would have been able to beat the Tyrone and Kerry teams of the 00s.

I'm not saying that this Dublin team would've dominated the 00s but that Tyrone and Kerry's duopoly from 2003-2009 wouldn't have happened.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 10/03/2018 09:44:32    2083116

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Replying To Rockies:  "Garincha played for Brazil 1958 and 1962 World cups. Not there in 1970.
I think Pele, Rivelino, Gerson, Tostao, Jairzinho, and Carlos Alberto would have too much for the Kerrymen"
Haha that was some team and they would indeed have beaten us but our boys would have had better farmers tans :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/03/2018 09:53:45    2083121

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