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Galway Vs Monaghan

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Ur right. Win this and u play the Dubs twice. That can only bring u on and show the squad what the level is that we are aiming for."
Sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for. Derry had an excellent league semi final win in 2014 and looked like a team ready to break through. They took a bad beating off Dublin in the final and have hardly won a game of much consequence since. 4 years later they are in real danger of being relegated to division 4. There is no guarantee it would happen but a heavy defeat by the Dubs in a league final could have a very negative impact on this Galway side. Narrowly missing out on a league final could be a blessing in the long run.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 01/03/2018 15:17:51    2081446

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Replying To Soma:  "Sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for. Derry had an excellent league semi final win in 2014 and looked like a team ready to break through. They took a bad beating off Dublin in the final and have hardly won a game of much consequence since. 4 years later they are in real danger of being relegated to division 4. There is no guarantee it would happen but a heavy defeat by the Dubs in a league final could have a very negative impact on this Galway side. Narrowly missing out on a league final could be a blessing in the long run."
Agreed that Galway shouldn't relish a league final against Dubs...best to concentrate on championship now that division 1 status secured. As I said before Monaghan have no ambition to progress further in this league & their approach to Galway game will reflect this. For us it's all about Tyrone now !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 01/03/2018 17:28:55    2081470

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Replying To Soma:  "Sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for. Derry had an excellent league semi final win in 2014 and looked like a team ready to break through. They took a bad beating off Dublin in the final and have hardly won a game of much consequence since. 4 years later they are in real danger of being relegated to division 4. There is no guarantee it would happen but a heavy defeat by the Dubs in a league final could have a very negative impact on this Galway side. Narrowly missing out on a league final could be a blessing in the long run."
Fair point although the underage pedigree that forms the basis of this Galway squad is greater than what Derry had in 2014 and it is worth noting winning is a habit. Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone and closing in on Kerry and Mayo. Long term Kerry definitely will come with what they have at underage with Galway next likely given our squad overall is very young.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 01/03/2018 17:51:45    2081473

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Fair point although the underage pedigree that forms the basis of this Galway squad is greater than what Derry had in 2014 and it is worth noting winning is a habit. Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone and closing in on Kerry and Mayo. Long term Kerry definitely will come with what they have at underage with Galway next likely given our squad overall is very young."
Under age success does not mean a right of passive to a good senior team. Look at Cavan/Tyrone/Kerry. You can have a team full of all stars at minor level and you ate very lucky to get two outstanding players out of it. We have had very little underage success and we seem to be getting more from our young men than Cavan and Tyrone together. So I would be reluctant to look forward to a league final against Dublin and get a lesson and deflate young players.

mon07 (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 01/03/2018 20:03:31    2081508

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Fair point although the underage pedigree that forms the basis of this Galway squad is greater than what Derry had in 2014 and it is worth noting winning is a habit. Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone and closing in on Kerry and Mayo. Long term Kerry definitely will come with what they have at underage with Galway next likely given our squad overall is very young."
Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone?????? After what? Winning a few league matches this season. This reeks of Roscommon ⅔ years ago, won all around them in the league - talk of Sam etc. etc. then fell apart when it mattered.

eirekeeper (Monaghan) - Posts: 65 - 01/03/2018 20:38:12    2081514

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Replying To eirekeeper:  "Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone?????? After what? Winning a few league matches this season. This reeks of Roscommon ⅔ years ago, won all around them in the league - talk of Sam etc. etc. then fell apart when it mattered."
And how are monaghan any better then galway or roscommon?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 01/03/2018 21:03:47    2081518

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Replying To eirekeeper:  "Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone?????? After what? Winning a few league matches this season. This reeks of Roscommon ⅔ years ago, won all around them in the league - talk of Sam etc. etc. then fell apart when it mattered."
How is that the same as saying we are going to win Sam. no one thinks monaghan or Tyrone can win the all Ireland

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 723 - 01/03/2018 21:19:48    2081520

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Replying To eirekeeper:  "Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone?????? After what? Winning a few league matches this season. This reeks of Roscommon ⅔ years ago, won all around them in the league - talk of Sam etc. etc. then fell apart when it mattered."
With the way that Galway have been playing this year, they are definitely a match for Monaghan and Tyrone..

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 666 - 01/03/2018 21:54:24    2081523

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Replying To eirekeeper:  "Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone?????? After what? Winning a few league matches this season. This reeks of Roscommon ⅔ years ago, won all around them in the league - talk of Sam etc. etc. then fell apart when it mattered."
Difference is the Rossies were beating teams well. Our seems more gradual and our key additions this season are in defence. We have a few natural forwards who can do serious damage. Also we are not overnight wonders. Some big championship scalps over last two seasons so we have form even if both those championships ended poorly. Your big challenge like ourselves is if ye can go beyond an all Ireland q/f. Ye have been very consistent to a point and in fairness not as dependent on McManus recently with the emergence of Jack McCarron and the in form Conor McCarthy. As I said I think the gap is closing big time between us and Kerry and Mayo notwithstanding that Mayo could do us on Mayo 13th and who knows what the outcome will be with your game with Tyrone.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 02/03/2018 08:54:22    2081533

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Replying To galwayfball:  "How is that the same as saying we are going to win Sam. no one thinks monaghan or Tyrone can win the all Ireland"
I didn't say that Monaghan or tyrone could win the all Ireland. I said Roscommon hyped themselves up similar to ye atm. When you've been consistently producing results in the top flight for 2-3 years like Monaghan or Tyrone then ye can talk

eirekeeper (Monaghan) - Posts: 65 - 02/03/2018 11:35:10    2081559

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Replying To Soma:  "Sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for. Derry had an excellent league semi final win in 2014 and looked like a team ready to break through. They took a bad beating off Dublin in the final and have hardly won a game of much consequence since. 4 years later they are in real danger of being relegated to division 4. There is no guarantee it would happen but a heavy defeat by the Dubs in a league final could have a very negative impact on this Galway side. Narrowly missing out on a league final could be a blessing in the long run."
Agree a bad beating may have negative impact but playing the best team in the country twice in competitive matches is worth any amount of training or friendlies. If we are that mentally weak we will get found out anyway.

I agree with you we should be concentrating on Championship but I would use these games as Championship prep. Against Dublin concentration levels will have to be razor sharp, no falling asleep for even a split second. Getting used to that is huge.

Roscommon and Derry didn't flop in Championship because they won some league games. They flopped in the Championship because they were not good enough. We also may turn out to be not good enough but it won't be because we won a few league games.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 732 - 02/03/2018 11:41:17    2081560

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All this talk about Roscommon and Derry will work into Kevin Walsh's hand and give the players plenty of motivation. Galway are lucky when you compare them to the likes of Mayo & Donegal in that most of the players are based in the county which is certainly an extra advantage this time of year.

This is a young Galway team, there's players to come back into it who'll make it even younger like Daly & Silke and their are some excellent younger players like Molloy & Mulkerrin who will be better players then the current incumbent in the next 2 years.

I'd like to play Dublin every week, would only improve Galway. The person under most pressure if Galway have a poor championship is the manager, there's a few high profile managers out there who'd like the Galway job.

I doubt any of my fellow county men think this team can win the big prize this summer, I certainly don't. Its about closing the gap to Dublin and the counties below them which are Mayo & Kerry.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 145 - 02/03/2018 12:40:50    2081570

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Difference is the Rossies were beating teams well. Our seems more gradual and our key additions this season are in defence. We have a few natural forwards who can do serious damage. Also we are not overnight wonders. Some big championship scalps over last two seasons so we have form even if both those championships ended poorly. Your big challenge like ourselves is if ye can go beyond an all Ireland q/f. Ye have been very consistent to a point and in fairness not as dependent on McManus recently with the emergence of Jack McCarron and the in form Conor McCarthy. As I said I think the gap is closing big time between us and Kerry and Mayo notwithstanding that Mayo could do us on Mayo 13th and who knows what the outcome will be with your game with Tyrone."
Fully agree.....Galway should focus 100% on Mayo game & similarly Monaghan on Tyrone.......the rest of the league doesn't matter. It's grand that both our respective counties have performed well in the league (Galway particularly) so far but that's as far as it goes. Mayo & Tyrone will be very happy to survive in division 1 by a whisker but their real focus will be on the championship.

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 02/03/2018 14:07:03    2081589

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Replying To eirekeeper:  "I didn't say that Monaghan or tyrone could win the all Ireland. I said Roscommon hyped themselves up similar to ye atm. When you've been consistently producing results in the top flight for 2-3 years like Monaghan or Tyrone then ye can talk"
Eirekeeper you seem to be placing all of your analysis purely on the league. When it comes to the real deal (the championship) Galway won Connacht in 2016, beaten Mayo 2 years in a row and have been consistent quarter finalists, Tyrone or Monaghan have a similar pedigree, none of us have exactly set the championship alight! Saying Monaghan and Tyrone are on a different level to Galway is pure daft.

Rocky.Road (Galway) - Posts: 312 - 02/03/2018 14:16:03    2081591

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Kevin Walsh always says consistency is key and in fairness bar the blip against Meath in the league they marched on to beat mayo in c/ship again so let's be honest it looked as if consistency was there in abundance,defeat to a roscommon team who they beat out the gate in the previous years decider brought back lack of confidence,then they beat a Donegal team well,who themselves were low in confidence.kerry game showed a lack of belief and the defence was badly shown up.A year later same players mind you bar o ceallaigh,Cooke and we are 4 games unbeaten in a division higher, is it going to continue?
personally I think they are playing with confidence and belief and are working hard for one another.they are not the perfect article, it will be Interesting to see how galway adapt if they go 4 or 5 pts behind is there a plan b? Time will Tell.....

Cornetto2 (Galway) - Posts: 86 - 02/03/2018 14:50:53    2081594

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ya Mayo are 100% focussed on May 13, no county player playing for clubs in April, desperate for a win over Galway who just love Castlebar, rest of league is not critical, expect Dublin to win it out

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 802 - 02/03/2018 14:55:14    2081595

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "ya Mayo are 100% focussed on May 13, no county player playing for clubs in April, desperate for a win over Galway who just love Castlebar, rest of league is not critical, expect Dublin to win it out"
There is a round of club championship in Mayo in April so county players will be playing..

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 211 - 02/03/2018 15:32:24    2081599

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Replying To eirekeeper:  "I didn't say that Monaghan or tyrone could win the all Ireland. I said Roscommon hyped themselves up similar to ye atm. When you've been consistently producing results in the top flight for 2-3 years like Monaghan or Tyrone then ye can talk"
No good producing results as u say when ye ave never won a all Ireland at any age group.

Dunmore10 (Galway) - Posts: 27 - 02/03/2018 18:48:31    2081626

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Looks like an exciting game in progress but its a pity its such an early throw in 12.30 followed by the hurling should be a decent crowd in for both games

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 699 - 06/03/2018 11:57:18    2082163

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Replying To eirekeeper:  "Galway are up there with Monaghan and Tyrone?????? After what? Winning a few league matches this season. This reeks of Roscommon ⅔ years ago, won all around them in the league - talk of Sam etc. etc. then fell apart when it mattered."
Roscommon have a provincial trophy
Monaghan lost to longford in 2016 can't even remember who knocked ye out in 2017, was it Carlow?
What makes u think peaking to stay in division 1 and losing before quarters championship makes us better than galway and Ros

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1121 - 06/03/2018 16:08:02    2082240

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