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"I would love somebody to challenge it because it needs to be challenged," the Errigal Ciaran man, who hasn't spoken to RTE since 2011, is quoted saying by the Donegal Democrat. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 15/02/2018 11:52:16 2077024 Link 1 |
Not too many of the current team would get on the 03 05 or 08 teams. Tyrone just do not have the players to win sam. They are a decent team in ulster. But ulster is weak at the moment. Not sure if it would any difference if you removed harte
Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 594 - 15/02/2018 12:14:16 2077034 Link 0 |
Mickey Harte sounds like Jose Mourinho tbh.. ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 15/02/2018 12:25:01 2077043 Link 0 |
Yeah I would take this line pretty much. I seen them play Meath 2 years ago,they looked well drilled and every player knew what they were doing. But I don't think they have outstanding talent tbh. But a new manager could freshen them up,on the other hand they could get worse. ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 15/02/2018 12:28:05 2077046 Link 0 |
Unfortunately it is going to take a 2017 type year that we in Donegal had to force change at the top in Tyrone. Otherwise the denial will continue each year and blame will be rested absolutely everywhere except on the system. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 15/02/2018 12:34:24 2077051 Link 0 |
That's just not true. I am sick of people saying we don't have the players when our players have been given almost no opportunity to play. I will admit we don't have a Peter Canavan or Stephen O'Neill anymore but they were a once in a lifetime type player. But our players are every bit as good as those in Mayo and they should really have beaten this current Dublin team in 3 All Ireland Finals. The difference between them and us is the fact that they commit totally to the attack, they show no respect to their opposition and they trust in their own ability. We have a management team so restricted by fear and so obsessed with an outdated system that the country now thinks our players are a lot poorer than they actually are. I guarantee that if we adopted an approach similar to Mayo or the current Kerry and Donegal teams that we wouldn't be far away at the end of the year, plus our players may actually start enjoy playing and our supporters may actually be treated to some proper football. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 15/02/2018 12:35:58 2077052 Link 0 |
I don't think this agenda is making Tyrone kick so many poor wides. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/02/2018 12:45:00 2077058 Link 1 |
He is right though. Watch Kerry, Dublin, Mayo etc and they all flood players back. I saw a clip from the recent league game between Tyrone & Dublin and every player was inside their own 45. The difference between Tyrone and the Dublin and Kerrys is they don't have that player that will always put the ball over the bar. They don't have a clutch type player that you know will produce the goods. The QF against Mayo two years ago is the perfect example. Better side, numerous chances to win that game but how many wides did they hit. McCurry, Ronan O'Neill and from what I've seen of Brennan have the potential to be world beaters but when the pressure is on they choke. Tyrone scored 6-77 in 4 games last year before they played Dublin. 6-77 That's more than 1-20 per game if my maths is right over those 4 games. Tyrone aren't a defensive side in that they don't attack, Tyrone are a side that don't have any clutch players and that is the problem facing Tyrone. Until they get that player that can slot the ball over the bar in a tight game they aren't going anywhere in a hurry. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/02/2018 12:48:09 2077062 Link 1 |
Tyrone are not too far away, but they are a bit predictable and certainly need some sparkle like they had in the noughties. Harte has a point about other teams also having men behind the ball though but can't see that there is a campaign against them. Lots of teams are criticised. kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 15/02/2018 12:49:59 2077063 Link 0 |
There are about 7 different topics that journalists revisit when paper sales are slow. Tyrone system or Tyrone discipline are 2 of them. It doesn't matter if they are true or not, if it sells then it will be given all the attention.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 15/02/2018 13:02:52 2077067 Link 1 |
Tyrone do not have the forwards to break the top three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo. I would take them to beat any other team by spreading the scores around but I cannot see an All-Ireland this year. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 15/02/2018 13:20:45 2077078 Link 0 |
Great players/teams win regardless of the system. If Tyrone had a forward line capable of winning an All Ireland it would do so even with MH's system. Tyrone people need to wake up and smell the coffee, they are within the top 4 or 5 teams in the country and a good distance ahead of most counties. However they are nowhere near the top table and will not win Sam in the next decade. I would argue MH has them sort of competitive and is getting every inch of success from an average group of players. He simply cannot compete with Dublin or Mayo. Yes have a change but that run's the risk of falling down further.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 15/02/2018 14:04:22 2077098 Link 0 |
Agree with all this
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12115 - 15/02/2018 14:24:24 2077105 Link 2 |
Mickey Hartes system is the exact same as Jim Gavins system at Dublin.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/02/2018 14:30:27 2077109 Link 0 |
tyrone simply dont have the forwards, and mayo have better players than tyrone alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/02/2018 14:42:37 2077114 Link 1 |
I would like to see Tyrone in Division 4. Chucky Armagh! Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 142 - 15/02/2018 14:50:05 2077115 Link 0 |
That may be true to a certain extent. However not completly the same as Dublin have a forward line that can do damage. The problem Tyrone have is the players most likely to score play in the half back line and are so defensive minded they will only have one or two options against the big teams. Yes the pace and power breaking through blows most teams away but the teams they need to beat to win the All Ireland are sitting back laughing at them. Dublin have a defensive screen but MH is wrong to suggest it is not all defence - that is not the case. Sit on the higher decks of Croke Park and look at the amount of Dublin players in the half forward line to midfield area when they turn the ball over. At least 4 with 6 or 7 running down the channels. Dublin mind the house but have an attacking game plan to go with it. Put Tyrone up against a good team and they hardly even have a defensive plan - they are like robots!
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 15/02/2018 15:13:15 2077122 Link 0 |
A 'clutch player' is a new term for me. What does it mean and how did it originate?. On the Harte debate, I think he has the players to play a more expansive game but he doesn't believe in them. Donegal have made the change to a more attack minded game and so could Tyrone. I don' think there is any agenda against Hart's teams but many believe that he could 'take' the top teams if he gave his players more freedom.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 15/02/2018 15:18:17 2077126 Link 0 |
I think Tyrone need to change the colours on their jerseys, white or red can seem deceptive when putting 15 behind the ball, they stand out a mile but if you are wearing sky blue, green and red, green or gold, maroon, white and blue etc those colours blend into the grass and you can't see them putting 15 behind the ball even though you can see it clearly, sugar there must be something wrong with our eyesight, yes Tyrone are not the only team putting 15 behind the ball, nearly every team is doing it, I think this all boils down to Sean Cavanagh dragging down Conor McManus in front of the goals and Joe Brolly calling him a cheat on RTE even though every player in any sport would do the same to avoid giving away a goal, he nor RTE ever apologised for it, that was bad enough but the comments he made about Marty Morrissey meant he should have got his P45, that along with Ciaran Wallop Whelan's comments about Lee Keegan and trying to influence a ref on national TV while being paid by the national broadcaster before an All Ireland Final replay was disgraceful, both should have been sacked, after last Sunday TV programme Tomas O'Se isn't too far behind them riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 15/02/2018 15:22:35 2077127 Link 0 |
Take a look at their game against Tyrone and tell me how many players didn't defend in their own half. However not completly the same as Dublin have a forward line that can do damage. That statement has just proven that you agree with me. Play the same system but Dublin just have better tools. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/02/2018 15:25:51 2077130 Link 0 |