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Replying To pauk123:  "If Paddy or Oisin Kiernan for example had been performing as they do for Ashbourne for example they'd have been given ample opportunities. There seems to be a bias toward players from these clubs more of a chance (Dunboyne and Ashbourne more so than Ratoath). I'm not for a second saying the lads in there don't deserve to be on merit I just wish everyone was given as fair a shake as lads from these clubs do."
With respect I see no evidence either with this management team or the past one, that players aren't being given opportunities. In fact the one thing I'm sure of in the past few years is that players have been given the opportunity to show their stuff for the county. I genuinely do not believe that Andy McEntee would favour players on the basis of their club.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 12/02/2018 19:16:15    2076366

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Did I imagine it all, or did paddy o rourke not get a chance out the field for the county a few years back, and wasn't good enough?. Playing well in a few league games for skryne is not going to make him any more of a county footballer. I'm just waiting for the usual nonsense of "stick him in the edge of the square for the last 10 minutes and kick it in high to him" as if teams hadn't worked out how to nullify that tactic 15 years ago or more.
I don't know either Andy McEntee or paddy O'rourke, but from a distance they don't seem like the types who would necessarily get on. From his interviews McEntee seems like a very straight talking no bulls**t type of man. From his social media outbursts, o o'rourke doesn't. I may be very unfair on him, but paddy and Andy don't seem like a match made in heaven.
But it is absolutely typical of posters on here that when the team finally seems to be progressing, and there is some positivity about the squad, all they can do is look to the past. It's definitely time for a suggestion that Mickey Newman should start. Maybe even cian ward!

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 12/02/2018 21:10:41    2076390

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Why on earth would paddy come back to the team after deciding to quit himself(supposedly). I have seen Paddy play numerous times out the field in club football and I can assure everyone he is not an inter county outfield player and from my memory he himself has said he will never play out the field again for Meath because it was a disaster the last time.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 12/02/2018 22:06:15    2076403

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The classic anti Ashbourne, Dunboyne and Ratoath brigade are back I see. Not as if Conor McGill, Bryan Menton and Donal Lenihan have been Meath best performers since McEntee arrived. And not as if Skryne were so successful last year. In fact they were a complete shambles. Paddy O'Rourke can do all he wants in meaningless county league games in games they are hammering the other team missing county lads makes no difference. He was tried outfield all 2011 on the back of a county title and was poor. He also proved over and over again when the pressure was greatest he completely did the wrong thing. Donegal and Louth last year. Against Dunboyne in the club he was sent off. 2016 league against Cavan, 2015 against Westmeath sent off twice for late shoulder barges after we lost big leads. Rant over (let's just hope Paddy doesn't quote this on Twitter now and try make it all about himself again)

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 12/02/2018 23:13:08    2076416

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "The classic anti Ashbourne, Dunboyne and Ratoath brigade are back I see. Not as if Conor McGill, Bryan Menton and Donal Lenihan have been Meath best performers since McEntee arrived. And not as if Skryne were so successful last year. In fact they were a complete shambles. Paddy O'Rourke can do all he wants in meaningless county league games in games they are hammering the other team missing county lads makes no difference. He was tried outfield all 2011 on the back of a county title and was poor. He also proved over and over again when the pressure was greatest he completely did the wrong thing. Donegal and Louth last year. Against Dunboyne in the club he was sent off. 2016 league against Cavan, 2015 against Westmeath sent off twice for late shoulder barges after we lost big leads. Rant over (let's just hope Paddy doesn't quote this on Twitter now and try make it all about himself again)"
Ashbourne and Dunboyne in particular (Ratoath it remains to be seen) have proven to be mentally weak. When the going gets tough they fold. Just like Meath teams in the recent past. Despite having the best talent and in Dunboynes case hoovering up a few Dubs they have won nothing.
I'll leave the snide comments about Paddy alone, it says a lot more about you as a Meath "fan" than him.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 13/02/2018 01:39:52    2076423

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Eh just to clarify I am neither looking for O'Rourke to be asked back nor am I looking to the past, in fact I feel the change in playing personnel we have this year has brought a much needed freshness to the panel. I am very much of the opinion that this squad is progressing and will progress more, I simply made an observation as part of an overall conversation, no need to jump down my neck lads, we all have our opinions and if this forum proves anything its that we all have very different opinions at times.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 13/02/2018 04:39:17    2076426

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Replying To Loyalroyal17:  "Well if you say so then obviously you are correct grahamc9897"
Correct..

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 13/02/2018 06:03:07    2076430

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Paddy has decided been on Meath panel is not for him this year. Good luck to
Him.
If he wants to try out next year he can, he will be viewed the exact same as everyone else. On their ability, and what they can bring to the team. Until then this is a non story.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/02/2018 07:10:30    2076431

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Correct.."
Sorry to annoy you lad but you are wrong.....just saying!

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 13/02/2018 09:08:32    2076442

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Is it just a coincidence that the likes of Mickey Newman & Paddy O'Rourke are extremely very well at club level, are they trying to prove themselves to Andy?? One player i honestly do wish we had back is Cian Ward.

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 13/02/2018 09:10:34    2076445

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Its hard to know if people here are being serious with these posts or looking to wind peole up and start an argument. Agreed Paddy is putting in some great performances and kicking big scores, but its League football against teams with no county players (for the most part). It is way to early in the season to be saying that any player should be brought into the county fold, if it was then sure Daire Rowe, Mickey Newman, Conall Ahearn (Ratoath), Hanlon & Mattimoe (Kells) should all be looked at based on the last 2-3 league games!!

Last year in champinship O Rourke had little to no impact against Ratoath (marked by McGill) or Dunboyne (marked by McEntee). Against a standard club defender he is very hard to stop and can be lethal, but as shown when tried outield at county level or in club championship the last few years, when marked by a county standard defender, he doesn't have the same influence at all.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 13/02/2018 09:51:29    2076449

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Replying To Loyalroyal17:  "Is it just a coincidence that the likes of Mickey Newman & Paddy O'Rourke are extremely very well at club level, are they trying to prove themselves to Andy?? One player i honestly do wish we had back is Cian Ward."
Indeed you could be right.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/02/2018 10:00:49    2076453

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Replying To Loyalroyal17:  "Is it just a coincidence that the likes of Mickey Newman & Paddy O'Rourke are extremely very well at club level, are they trying to prove themselves to Andy?? One player i honestly do wish we had back is Cian Ward."
I think that the likes of Newman especially needed a long run of games which the league provides for him, when in with the county team and being named on match day panels but not actually getting much of a run, match sharpness deminishes and then permance levels drop. Now I still think Newmans day is gone but I would happily eat my own words if he proved me wrong and rediscovered his form prior to his first injury. I think Andy allowing lads to play league with their clubs if they don't get much game time with county or are coming back from injury (lenihan and Rooney in particular) is great to see and can only have a positivve impact on the county team going forward.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 13/02/2018 10:01:30    2076454

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Replying To Loyalroyal17:  "Is it just a coincidence that the likes of Mickey Newman & Paddy O'Rourke are extremely very well at club level, are they trying to prove themselves to Andy?? One player i honestly do wish we had back is Cian Ward."
I'd say it's more likely that they are just playing at their level.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 13/02/2018 10:17:30    2076455

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Replying To pauk123:  "Ashbourne and Dunboyne in particular (Ratoath it remains to be seen) have proven to be mentally weak. When the going gets tough they fold. Just like Meath teams in the recent past. Despite having the best talent and in Dunboynes case hoovering up a few Dubs they have won nothing.
I'll leave the snide comments about Paddy alone, it says a lot more about you as a Meath "fan" than him."
And Paddy O'Rourke losing the plot and getting himself sent off on purpose multiple times at the end of a Meath collapse he was involved in is showing great Meath fighting spirit is it? Nonsense, both times it was a disgrace to Meath teams of old and his own last name. I agree with you Dunboyne and Ashbourne have folded in big games but that doesn't mean that as part of a different team they'd be the same. Lenihan and Menton didn't fold when everybody else did vs Kildare in Tullamore. Andy Mc managed a Dunboyne team only won season and won the under 17, minor league and minor championship in 2014. A lot can be changed around by a manager and a bottling team under a Skryne man Mick O'Dowd may yet turn to a tough one under McEntee sans Paddy

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 13/02/2018 10:52:06    2076463

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Replying To ratlag:  "Its hard to know if people here are being serious with these posts or looking to wind peole up and start an argument. Agreed Paddy is putting in some great performances and kicking big scores, but its League football against teams with no county players (for the most part). It is way to early in the season to be saying that any player should be brought into the county fold, if it was then sure Daire Rowe, Mickey Newman, Conall Ahearn (Ratoath), Hanlon & Mattimoe (Kells) should all be looked at based on the last 2-3 league games!!

Last year in champinship O Rourke had little to no impact against Ratoath (marked by McGill) or Dunboyne (marked by McEntee). Against a standard club defender he is very hard to stop and can be lethal, but as shown when tried outield at county level or in club championship the last few years, when marked by a county standard defender, he doesn't have the same influence at all."
I said the exact same if he does it in the Championship he should be considered for a call up. He's playing great and kicking huge scores if he continues to do that why wouldn't he be considered? The vitrol against the lad is incredible, disgraceful but unfortunately not surprising.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 13/02/2018 12:11:28    2076493

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "And Paddy O'Rourke losing the plot and getting himself sent off on purpose multiple times at the end of a Meath collapse he was involved in is showing great Meath fighting spirit is it? Nonsense, both times it was a disgrace to Meath teams of old and his own last name. I agree with you Dunboyne and Ashbourne have folded in big games but that doesn't mean that as part of a different team they'd be the same. Lenihan and Menton didn't fold when everybody else did vs Kildare in Tullamore. Andy Mc managed a Dunboyne team only won season and won the under 17, minor league and minor championship in 2014. A lot can be changed around by a manager and a bottling team under a Skryne man Mick O'Dowd may yet turn to a tough one under McEntee sans Paddy"
Why suggesting a proven winner (with a couple of Keegan Cup medals in his back pocket) who is kicking the lights out should be considered if his form continues in the Championship is so offensive to you I don't know. In my opinion if he was a Dunboyne or Ashbourne lad there'd be tread after tread asking for a recall.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 13/02/2018 12:22:05    2076499

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Replying To pauk123:  "Why suggesting a proven winner (with a couple of Keegan Cup medals in his back pocket) who is kicking the lights out should be considered if his form continues in the Championship is so offensive to you I don't know. In my opinion if he was a Dunboyne or Ashbourne lad there'd be tread after tread asking for a recall."
Don't think it's the suggestion that Paddy gets on the team that's offensive to him, more that backhanded insult towards the clubs in the SE pocket of Meath.

On another note, as a Dunboyne man myself, I can't recall the clamouring to get anyone from Dunboyne on the Meath team since Lenihan really. That seems to be turning out okay. Have any names that were the subject of thread after thread for a recall? Or just a bitterness towads the clubs?

dunbainneman (Meath) - Posts: 36 - 13/02/2018 13:05:29    2076511

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Why has this turned into the POR appreciation or otherwise thread? Whether he gets back on the panel is up to himself and Andy.
Back to the topic, I had to pick 2 teams apart from Meath as part of a little competition here at work and I went for Down and Cork to get promotion. Possible spoilers are Tipp who have managed a snatch and grab on Cork before blowing it against the Rossies and Clare. I don't think there's a huge amount between Cavan and Meath, and they'll be well up for it next weekend. As far as promotion is concerned, this is a must win for both sides so I'm expecting some fireworks, skullduggery etc. and hopefully a good game!!

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 13/02/2018 14:33:59    2076547

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Replying To ratlag:  "Its hard to know if people here are being serious with these posts or looking to wind peole up and start an argument. Agreed Paddy is putting in some great performances and kicking big scores, but its League football against teams with no county players (for the most part). It is way to early in the season to be saying that any player should be brought into the county fold, if it was then sure Daire Rowe, Mickey Newman, Conall Ahearn (Ratoath), Hanlon & Mattimoe (Kells) should all be looked at based on the last 2-3 league games!!

Last year in champinship O Rourke had little to no impact against Ratoath (marked by McGill) or Dunboyne (marked by McEntee). Against a standard club defender he is very hard to stop and can be lethal, but as shown when tried outield at county level or in club championship the last few years, when marked by a county standard defender, he doesn't have the same influence at all."
Can you name the interocunty match and intercounty marker where Paddy O Rourke didn't have an influence? Was it against Tyrone in the NFL a few years ago when he destroyed Joe McMahon? While you are at it, can you explain how 27 year old former old star nominee Mickey Newman's day is gone?

Talk about finding it hard to take a post seriously...maybe like much of Ratoath you only arrived in the county recently, in which case, I apologise as you might not remember these lads playing for Meath.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 13/02/2018 15:36:27    2076567

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