Ormond - 44Its fine. They have had significant reductions in income so sport naturally will be cut quite a bit. What would you consider as a decent coverage anyway? RTE never have shown live league games but that isnt exactly an issue. TG4 provide excellent coverage but that doesnt mean RTE should have to be showing the national league.

I'm not really arguing RTE should show the league. The OP was about keeping GAA coverage on terrestrial TV, I'm saying I don't really support that because I want to see good GAA coverage and plenty of it. I can understand why RTE / TV3 can't necessarily give that as they are 'entertainment channels' and have a lot of bases to cover. They have limited scope within their schedules. Sky and Eir in particular have dedicated sports channels so have far more ability to give in depth coverage. But if RTE/TV3 individually or combined where able to match the good coverage I saw on Eir over the weekend, then I'd be happy for them to get the rights.

The point I was making about RTE was that the GAA programmes they do put out are not great and they don't seem that interested in improving them.

What do I mean by decent coverage? - As many live games as possible. Good detailed analysis from people who have been close to the game in the last 10 years who talk about the actual game, good highlights packages etc.

Cupotay (Donegal) - Posts: 31 - 30/01/2018 09:37:18    2072281

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 30/01/2018 11:38:57    2072327

It's daft suggesting that a 90 minute 'highlights' program isn't enough. With more & more games in more condensed timeframes, it's becoming increasingly impossible to cover even a fraction of the volume that's on these days. A dedicated 24/7 GAA channel, if it had the resource/subscribers, would definitely have the volume of fresh subject matter, just like the NFL, NBA. Golf channel etc.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - 29/01/2018 17:55:22 Who funds this 24/7 channel? How much fresh subject matter would it really get?
NBA annual revenue just like NFL is in the billions of dollars. GAA is maybe a few million. NFL also is based in country of several hundred million people. A 24/7 GAA channel would have to be a subscription channel to be financially viable and is there really enough people who would subscribe to it.

I'd agree that its a bit daft for League Sunday to show extended highlights of the same games that have already been shown live, especially those on TG4 which is available to the majority of fans (don't think it's readily available in NI but am open to correction there), let alone those games shown in Eir Sports. I appreciate that its cheaper for RTE to let Eir / TG4 provide the footage rather than sending out their own cameras and crew and that they have a finite budget which they have to try and stretch as far as possible but the premise is that RTE is a public service provider and should objectively cater for all residents. By effectively ignoring the lower divisions, its fair to say they fail in that regard, from a sporting provision regard anyway.
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - 29/01/2018 17:57:43Why is it daft? They will show the games they had most cameras at and people are likely to see. RTE are not rights holders to the league so cant bring their cameras and crews to League games. How do you not get that?
RTE dont ignore the lower divisions. They show the games that they are provided footage of.


I'm not really arguing RTE should show the league. The OP was about keeping GAA coverage on terrestrial TV, I'm saying I don't really support that because I want to see good GAA coverage and plenty of it. I can understand why RTE / TV3 can't necessarily give that as they are 'entertainment channels' and have a lot of bases to cover. They have limited scope within their schedules. Sky and Eir in particular have dedicated sports channels so have far more ability to give in depth coverage. But if RTE/TV3 individually or combined where able to match the good coverage I saw on Eir over the weekend, then I'd be happy for them to get the rights.
The point I was making about RTE was that the GAA programmes they do put out are not great and they don't seem that interested in improving them.
What do I mean by decent coverage? - As many live games as possible. Good detailed analysis from people who have been close to the game in the last 10 years who talk about the actual game, good highlights packages etc.
Cupotay (Donegal) - Posts: 8 - 30/01/2018 09:37:18 RTE were a large monopoly so never have had to improve as they always have showed nearly all games they want. When you say detailed analysis what exactly do you mean by that as its such a generalised term. And analysts dont have to have been involved in the game in the past 10 years to be good at their job!!!

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/01/2018 12:40:08    2072357

Interesting piece in the examiner today relating to this.


Bumper fixture schedule won't result in extra live TV games

The GAA don't envisage many, if any, extra championship games being shown live on TV this year despite the introduction of the round robin provincial hurling competitions and the Super 8 All-Ireland football quarter-final series.

If RTÉ are in a position to simultaneously televise two games on their terrestrial channels, they will be given the go-ahead - the final two round games in each of the Leinster and Munster SHCs will throw in at the same time as will the last matches in each of the two Super 8 groups. However, if only one can be shown, the other will be broadcast on GAAGo and streamed free on the island of Ireland and as part of the subscription service abroad.

The Munster SHC will involve seven additional matches this year, the Leinster SHC proper five and the All-Ireland SFC eight.

GAA commercial and stadium director Peter McKenna said: "I think it'll be the same as. What you'll probably see this year because of having the facility to have live games on RTÉ, on back-to-back channels, we'll probably look at running some of them on GAAGo so we'll be able to stream games for the first time, on our own service. That'll be a new development we're working on. I think the new championship format is going to be very, very positive."

In what will be considered a major move towards the GAA creating their own TV channel, McKenna is acutely aware of how the media is transforming. "RTÉ are our joint partners there (with GAAGo), and what we want to make sure of is that people get to see the game. It's our view that this is the best way of doing it (game streaming). It just shows you the way this market is changing.

"The additional broadcasting has become challenging in a broad number of areas, you can see the rise of Amazon, YouTube and various other sort of (outlets), making games available. I think the fact that we started to invest in this a number of years ago, getting a level of expertise up, puts us in a nice position to use that expertise now and we've put ourselves front and foremost in being able to do this ourselves."

Cupotay (Donegal) - Posts: 31 - 01/02/2018 10:34:28    2073014

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Cupotay (Donegal) - Posts: 31 - 01/02/2018 10:35:16    2073015

What model do you replace it with? If the games werent on pay per view or subscription channels then would they be on at all?

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 01/02/2018 14:08:05    2073089

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 01/02/2018 15:30:03    2073122

I won't be signing, very happy with the coverage with Eir and Sky, RTE is a bunch of middle age men bickering about the state of Gaelic Football rather than talk about the game, to be fair RTEs hurling coverage is slightly better with less negativity, but I think Eir and Sky coverage is a lot better

PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 01/02/2018 16:09:42    2073137

Seamy_Hendrix (Derry) - Posts: 47 - 01/02/2018 16:18:40    2073139

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 01/02/2018 16:34:25    2073145

Maybe RTE could get the finer out and spend some more money on GAA. I find it hilarious that they have all this money trouble yet continue to roll out drivel reality TV shows like dancing with z list stars. The amount of money spent on those shows is crazy.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 01/02/2018 16:41:54    2073150

I certainly won't be signing any way. Very happy with my pay per view from both eir and sky. Rte hasn't a patch on them. And don't get me started on Matt "rugby is the only sport that matters" cooper effort on god awful tv3

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2018 17:10:51    2073163

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2018 17:17:23    2073168

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2018 17:20:20    2073169

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 01/02/2018 18:08:01    2073185

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 01/02/2018 21:06:44    2073235

Maybe RTE could get the finer out and spend some more money on GAA. I find it hilarious that they have all this money trouble yet continue to roll out drivel reality TV shows like dancing with z list stars. The amount of money spent on those shows is crazy.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5616 - 01/02/2018 16:41:54 you see dancing with the stars as drivel but 000s dont and it gets the ad revenue and people discussing it and calling in to keep people on so why wouldnt RTE keep it.
Its about revenue for RTE and the so called drivel makes plenty for RTE and how do you know RTE can just go out and spend more on GAA? Theyve cut back on most things especially sport

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/02/2018 01:01:23    2073285

It's a difficult one to be honest. Hiding Championship games that otherwise would have been on a TV3 behind a pay wall and having no one watching them is on the face of it fairly silly.

Eir are showing games that would not have otherwise been shown. So it's hard to make an argument against them showing those league/club games. The worry people would have is that Eir will eventually take more club/league games away from TG4 in the long run.

If the GAA insists that all live GAA must be free to air then they give the free to air channels the chance to put in lower offers and thus generate less revenue etc. But the slight increase in revenue from Sky/Eir needs to be balanced with the massive lack of exposure that these channels give the GAA. Basically the viewing figures for these channels are awful.

What's disappointing about the Sky deal is that TV3 would have paid in or around the same amount as Sky but they went with Sky for the 3 years, and inexplicably lengthened the deal for a further 5 years despite the fact that no one is watching those games on Sky. It's really short term thinking on the GAA's part and a really bad deal for them. They got a minuscule, in the grand scheme of things, increase from Sky over what they would have got, and in return a huge drop in the amount of people watching the games.

Massively fewer people watching games in return for a tiny increase in money. Terrible deal if we're honest. They compounded that by going with Sky again. It makes no sense and it is a path that I'm not sure the GAA know what they're doing on.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 02/02/2018 08:22:50    2073291

I think the real question should be 'Why can't Irish people dance?' If you compare our z list celebs with those on UK tv it's obvious that we are lacking in the footwork department.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 02/02/2018 10:02:44    2073310

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 02/02/2018 11:46:58    2073347