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Tyrone will win nothing this year! Same problems poping up again as every year and mickey can't fix them! No free taker again today and very wasteful in front of the post! They are in relagation battle now with Kildare Monaghan and mayo away theirs no guarantee of points their

Tyronecelt (Tyrone) - Posts: 31 - 28/01/2018 19:44:39    2071541

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Agree with Harte at helm this bunch of talented footballers will never realise their potential instead they will be forced to go against their natural instincts - I have been a fan of Harte at the start but over past few years I've come to dislike this negative brand of football - you'd think the beating they took from Dubs last year would make them rethink - instead they give Harte a few more years - I know some Red Hand Gaels and they hate the fact that Harte got an extension!!!! See them going down possibly - they could win Ulster which isn't that strong but that's it!!!!"
I really liked Tyrone from about 2000 to 2010. They could play football but mix it when they had to and they had some really great players in Canavan, O'Neill, Jordan, McGuigan, Mugsy etc. They got a really unfair press and that's why I defended them so much at the time. Now I think they are going nowhere with this grey, massed defence and negative possession going back, side, side and back again........then lose possession. It's awful and I can't defend it at all.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9002 - 28/01/2018 19:45:59    2071542

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Very impressed with Sean Andy and Peter Cooke. Pivotal positions so hopefully they continue to develop.

Sean Andy's debut and I think it was Cooke's first start although he definitely came on in a few previously. Physically they are definitely ready for big boys.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 659 - 28/01/2018 20:38:57    2071597

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Replying To heartbroken:  "Gaillimh Abu. Like yourself I was listening to Galway Bay Fm and your right the cometary is poor."
To the contrary, I think those lads are superb. What's wrong with a bit of passion? It's a local radio channel

PressureKick (UK) - Posts: 14 - 28/01/2018 20:46:35    2071608

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Replying To PressureKick:  "To the contrary, I think those lads are superb. What's wrong with a bit of passion? It's a local radio channel"
Obviously you didn't listen to it or you would know what we are talking about.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1197 - 28/01/2018 21:22:47    2071633

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I watched Tyrone play 2 weeks ago and it was enough for me to stick a punt on Galway today...i can't believe harte has been allowed to stay on, the level of anti footballing players that he has developed seems to get worse with every year.
Tyrone were struggling with not having a markee full forward/corner forword now it's 2018 and Tyrone have zero quality from 1 to 15 ....ok bar harte and Mattie donnelly..but who else on that Tyrone team would make the the mayo team nevermind the Dublin team? ooh how times have changed.

abitawit (Fermanagh) - Posts: 265 - 28/01/2018 21:49:29    2071652

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I think there will be a sting in the tail with Tyrone, I expect them to have a very good year.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1412 - 29/01/2018 00:08:06    2071721

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Very impressed with Sean Andy and Peter Cooke. Pivotal positions so hopefully they continue to develop.

Sean Andy's debut and I think it was Cooke's first start although he definitely came on in a few previously. Physically they are definitely ready for big boys."
Yeah of the new young players those two are the most physically ready for senior football. Two big strong athletic men. Sean Kelly on the other hand has a bit to go physically I'd say. Still a bit light.

Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 1487 - 29/01/2018 00:15:36    2071722

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No way of dressing this up it was a very poor performance. Tyrone have now lost their last four league games in Division One in a similar manner. I have heard in the past that Lee Brennan is not considered for inter county football as he has not got pace but Tyrone need a regular place kicker and need to boost their low scoring which has continued on from last years league. It does look like a relegation fight with Kildare, Donegal and Monaghan could be on the cards.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1456 - 29/01/2018 08:15:15    2071750

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Replying To Marooned:  "Yeah of the new young players those two are the most physically ready for senior football. Two big strong athletic men. Sean Kelly on the other hand has a bit to go physically I'd say. Still a bit light."
Agreed, especially for January football! He might be what we need in May though, can be a different game.

Thought P Sweeney did ok yesterday. Added a bit of strength to forwards which allowed S Kelly etc more scope. Day would have suited him. Still not sure if he will be up to summer football.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 659 - 29/01/2018 08:45:24    2071753

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Replying To Byanthon:  "No way of dressing this up it was a very poor performance. Tyrone have now lost their last four league games in Division One in a similar manner. I have heard in the past that Lee Brennan is not considered for inter county football as he has not got pace but Tyrone need a regular place kicker and need to boost their low scoring which has continued on from last years league. It does look like a relegation fight with Kildare, Donegal and Monaghan could be on the cards."
Totally agree with you, Lee Brennan should be on the team, if only to take free kicks. He would nail those vital free kicks, missing scorable frees just sucks the life out of a team. Brennan is a great footballer anyway, dont see why he isnt being picked. It does look like the relegation dogfight will be between Donegal, Tyrone, Kildare and Monaghan but Galway could still get dragged into it.

I still think Tyrone will be strong this year in the championship, its only January after all. I believe the defeat to Dublin last year was a one off and Tyrone are much better than that. Dublin got a great start and the way MH has the team set up makes it difficult to claw back a lead.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1156 - 29/01/2018 09:57:48    2071779

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Replying To abitawit:  "I watched Tyrone play 2 weeks ago and it was enough for me to stick a punt on Galway today...i can't believe harte has been allowed to stay on, the level of anti footballing players that he has developed seems to get worse with every year.
Tyrone were struggling with not having a markee full forward/corner forword now it's 2018 and Tyrone have zero quality from 1 to 15 ....ok bar harte and Mattie donnelly..but who else on that Tyrone team would make the the mayo team nevermind the Dublin team? ooh how times have changed."
I have been very critical of Mickey Harte and the style of play that our team has been playing for a number of years now and to be honest I am just getting fed up complaining. It doesn't look like its ever going to change.

But I can't agree with you about Tyrone not having the quality from 1 to 15. I think we have just as good of players in Tyrone than what other counties have, but they are just not allowed to actually play football.

If we would just let the lads play on their instincts more and commit to the risk of the counter attack then I think we would be a very dangerous opposition.

The problem is that we only see Tyrone play this way when we are comfortably 8-10 points ahead of the opposition and the game is essentially over.

What is so frustrating though is how futile this system is. It just doesn't work and we are never going to get closer to our ultimate ambition of reaching another All Ireland Final until something changes.

I would happily miss out on a few Ulster titles and float between division 1&2 for a few years if it meant that we could develop our very talented group of players into the proper footballing team that they should be.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 415 - 29/01/2018 12:13:52    2071875

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Great win for Galway in Tuam. Getting a good start was vital for them if they hope to stay up in the Division.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 11770 - 29/01/2018 12:22:01    2071884

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Think they are going nowhere with yesterday's set up. Stephen o Neill was a footballer with attack his priority and he did it with flair. Why bring in a coach of his calibre to stand on the sidelines and watch his prodigies been shackled. Unless things change desperately they're in for some hiding next weekend. Mickie Harte needs to step back.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 630 - 29/01/2018 13:09:56    2071920

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Totally agree with you, Lee Brennan should be on the team, if only to take free kicks. He would nail those vital free kicks, missing scorable frees just sucks the life out of a team. Brennan is a great footballer anyway, dont see why he isnt being picked. It does look like the relegation dogfight will be between Donegal, Tyrone, Kildare and Monaghan but Galway could still get dragged into it.

I still think Tyrone will be strong this year in the championship, its only January after all. I believe the defeat to Dublin last year was a one off and Tyrone are much better than that. Dublin got a great start and the way MH has the team set up makes it difficult to claw back a lead."
Galway played mchugh last year who is a good player with plenty time to mature but dosent add as much as from play at the moment that other forwards on the bench did but more than other player he deserves credit for us being in Div1, his free taking ability is 2nd to none

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 639 - 29/01/2018 13:28:26    2071932

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Replying To Wally:  "I have been very critical of Mickey Harte and the style of play that our team has been playing for a number of years now and to be honest I am just getting fed up complaining. It doesn't look like its ever going to change.

But I can't agree with you about Tyrone not having the quality from 1 to 15. I think we have just as good of players in Tyrone than what other counties have, but they are just not allowed to actually play football.

If we would just let the lads play on their instincts more and commit to the risk of the counter attack then I think we would be a very dangerous opposition.

The problem is that we only see Tyrone play this way when we are comfortably 8-10 points ahead of the opposition and the game is essentially over.

What is so frustrating though is how futile this system is. It just doesn't work and we are never going to get closer to our ultimate ambition of reaching another All Ireland Final until something changes.

I would happily miss out on a few Ulster titles and float between division 1&2 for a few years if it meant that we could develop our very talented group of players into the proper footballing team that they should be."
yes ok..it was unfair of me to say theirs no quality, but harte has driven flair and natural footballing instinct out of his team's over the last 4 / 5 years.

I remember Richie donnelly played on the same st micheals mccory cup team as sean quigley, Donnelly probly rated one of the best young players around at the time, he since won a county championship with trillick and he can't manage to break onto that Tyrone team? so many other young players who should be on that Tyrone team but are being overlooked in favour of track n field athletes.

abitawit (Fermanagh) - Posts: 265 - 29/01/2018 15:30:12    2072006

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Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Yesterday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before). We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths. Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say. People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine…personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score. Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam?
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.

bgal10 (Tyrone) - Posts: 2 - 29/01/2018 15:38:31    2072014

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Replying To abitawit:  "yes ok..it was unfair of me to say theirs no quality, but harte has driven flair and natural footballing instinct out of his team's over the last 4 / 5 years.

I remember Richie donnelly played on the same st micheals mccory cup team as sean quigley, Donnelly probly rated one of the best young players around at the time, he since won a county championship with trillick and he can't manage to break onto that Tyrone team? so many other young players who should be on that Tyrone team but are being overlooked in favour of track n field athletes."
This is complete nonsense. The best players are on the panel bar a few. Richie Donnelly imo is very lucky to be on the panel. Who else should be on it seeing as you are so knowledgable

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 29/01/2018 15:42:21    2072016

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Replying To bgal10:  "Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Yesterday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before). We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths. Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say. People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine…personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score. Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam?
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3."
Head in the sand stuff again from the 'Mickey can do no wrong brigade'

I know I'm not told what to think by the media. I can see the horrible football we play with my own eyes.

The scary thing is that it could take quite a few seasons to coach this muck out of our players and by that stage we may lose a few more players to retirement.

And Mickey is here to 2020!

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 415 - 29/01/2018 19:39:38    2072145

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