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Replying To HEREBENJI:  "The ref was always gonna make sure Kerry won that."
Ridiculous comment

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 28/01/2018 18:17:39    2071459

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "Ah Herbie for God's sake give it a rest. Why would the ref want to make sure that Kerry won? Ask yourself that for one minute.

This constant complaining about the referee, which is now endemic in soccer as well, has to be the most annoying things in sport these days. Did the ref get every decision right? No he didn't, he made mistakes. But the man is human & can only call it as he sees it.

The players made lots of mistakes as well for the same reason, they are human, & Donegal were to a degree architects of their own misfortune. Defensively we were poor & Nathan Mullins got himself sent off needlessly.

Donegal cannot control what the referee does or doesn't do. All they can control is what they do on the pitch themselves, they had the winning of that game under their own control but didn't manage to carry it off. However it is early in the year & I'm sure things will improve.

One thing I am sure of though is that bellyaching about the referee will not help the cause."
Good post there Muckross. I did think the referee was poor enough today especially from a Donegal perspective but would certainly agree that it was not down to the ref that Donegal lost today, the players have themselves to blame for that. While I disagree with you regarding Nathan Mullins as imo it was harsh as he done no more than shake off some very special attention from the Kerry player. The players themselves were guilty of allowing Kerry in for easy scores towards the end. The second goal came from a very poor kickout and the winning score was not defended well at all especially with enough bodies back. Hopefully the players can reflect on what let them down today and put into effect for next week which now looks like a huge game in terms of ensuring Division 1 status for next year.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 28/01/2018 18:21:24    2071465

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Replying To Rockies:  "Leo McLoone? Tackle was a bit high, but not as bad as to deserve red card.
Nathan Mullins sending off was harsh.
Good game overall."
A bit high you say? He ran at him full speed and hit him around the jaw with a closed fist. Extremely dangerous. Would have been most definitely a red in rugby and it takes a lot more to be sent off in rugby.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 28/01/2018 19:05:57    2071495

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I wouldn't blame the players towards the end. They just ran out of legs a bit and had tired minds too. To win with 14 players is a hard ask. We have a must win game next week in Letterkenny. If we lose it, I fear we will go down. If we win it, we will have a very good chance of staying up. Bonner made an interesting comment about the league this year in that we could well go down because we are using the league to prepare for the championship. I for one am glad we are going into the fixtures with everything to play for as we will be forced to throw the shackles off now and get out of defensive formations that didn't serve us at all well last year.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/01/2018 19:12:26    2071509

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Replying To westkerry:  "Want salt for your chip?"
Too much salt would give him an ulcer man.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 28/01/2018 19:28:19    2071527

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Replying To Onfor15:  "A bit high you say? He ran at him full speed and hit him around the jaw with a closed fist. Extremely dangerous. Would have been most definitely a red in rugby and it takes a lot more to be sent off in rugby."
Obviously you don't know the rules of rugby either.

themaddog (Wicklow) - Posts: 130 - 28/01/2018 19:41:11    2071538

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Replying To Onfor15:  "A bit high you say? He ran at him full speed and hit him around the jaw with a closed fist. Extremely dangerous. Would have been most definitely a red in rugby and it takes a lot more to be sent off in rugby."
I disagree. If players get sent off for every high tackle , there will be 4 or 5 players sent off in every game.
Maybe sin-binning for 10 minutes, analogous to rugby... with no replacement ,should be looked at.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 28/01/2018 19:44:08    2071540

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Replying To preddan:  "Cmon kerry..hope donegal get a right trimming"
Why?
You want the underdogs hammered by one of the two superpowers of gaelic football.
Its a huge achievement by Donegal to remain competitive being one of our economically poorest counties, ravaged by recession and drained by emigration of its football playing generation.
Give them a break and consider the odds stacked against them to survive in top flight football.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 28/01/2018 19:50:31    2071547

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Replying To Onfor15:  "A bit high you say? He ran at him full speed and hit him around the jaw with a closed fist. Extremely dangerous. Would have been most definitely a red in rugby and it takes a lot more to be sent off in rugby."
He did nothing of the sort.

Jesus, I hate it when fellas come on here making up stuff either because of bad eyesight or simple bad faith.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 28/01/2018 19:54:00    2071549

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Can anyone verify the ages of the teams? I was trying to figure out levels of experience today. Seems both teams were in uncharted territories with much of their panel.

Kerry

S Murphy 25
C Coffey 22
J Foley 22
S Enright 29
P Murphy 26
G Crowley 23
R Shanahan 26
Barry O'Sullivan 21
Brendan O'Sullivan 28
M Burns 22
S O'Shea 21
S O'Brien 27
D Clifford 18
Paul Geaney 27
BJ Keane 28
J O'Donoghue 28
J Savage 22
D Casey 28
K Spillane 22
M Flaherty 21
B O Seanachain 21

Donegal
MA McGinley
S McMenamin 21
C Ward 23
T McClenaghan 21
R McHugh 25
L McLoone 28
E Ban Gallagher 22
H McFadden 26
N Mullins 27
M O'Reilly 26
P Brennan 22
C McGonigle
P McBrearty 24
J Brennan 22
O MacNiallais 27

Subs:
P Boyle 28
N O'Donnell 21
C Thompson 29
C McGonigle 21
S McBrearty 21
J McGee 19
D O'Connor 22

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/01/2018 19:54:46    2071550

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A whole hearted performance from Donegal and we were unlucky perhaps not to take a point.

I did think the ref gave a few questionable decisions in Kerry's favour but I think it was our relative inexperience that cost us more so than the officials. A wee bit more nous and keep-ball was needed towards the end.

Paddy was superb. By my count that's 1-26 in his last 3 games.

Great to see Odhran back too. He is just a classy, classy player and some of his fielding was phenomenal. When he gets a bit fitter and fully up to match speed he can be a real game changer.

Our attacking options look promising. Picking 6 from Odhran, Thompson, E McHugh, Murphy, P McBrearty, O'Donnell, S McBrearty, Mulligan, Brennan, Langan, Carroll etc is a nice selection headache for Declan.

Onwards and upwards.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 28/01/2018 19:59:48    2071555

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Too much salt would give him an ulcer man."
Very good.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 28/01/2018 20:03:05    2071556

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Brian Mullins should have got the line in 1977 semi-final for the worst clothes line tackle I have ever seen. Ref bottled it and cost Kerry Five-In-A-Row and nearly cost Micko his job. Obviously with his offspring the apple not fall far from tree...only difference was that the referee made the correct decision this time.
Brian Mullins was a fine footballer but had a cynical streak in him which was surprising in that his football pedigree was of Kerry (his uncle was the great & legendary Bill Casey of Lispole and multiple All Ireland winner with Kerry in the late 30's and early 40's.

dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 28/01/2018 20:05:43    2071560

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Replying To Onfor15:  "A bit high you say? He ran at him full speed and hit him around the jaw with a closed fist. Extremely dangerous. Would have been most definitely a red in rugby and it takes a lot more to be sent off in rugby."
Yes, a high tackle deserving of a yellow card.
There was no question of a closed fist which would have been a straight red. The defender ran toward a static forward with arms outstretched and should have closed him down instead of following through. Contact was made with the upper arm and not a fist as you suggested.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 28/01/2018 20:17:13    2071574

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Replying To dingle2:  "Brian Mullins should have got the line in 1977 semi-final for the worst clothes line tackle I have ever seen. Ref bottled it and cost Kerry Five-In-A-Row and nearly cost Micko his job. Obviously with his offspring the apple not fall far from tree...only difference was that the referee made the correct decision this time.
Brian Mullins was a fine footballer but had a cynical streak in him which was surprising in that his football pedigree was of Kerry (his uncle was the great & legendary Bill Casey of Lispole and multiple All Ireland winner with Kerry in the late 30's and early 40's."
Catch a grip dingle. Apart from the chip on your shoulder about not winning 5 in a row, what Nathan did today was just two players having a tussle off the ball. Was he stupid to kick out, yes he was but there was nothing malicious or dangerous about it.

I guess I don't need to ask you for your opinion on Seamus Darby's goal in 1982.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 28/01/2018 20:22:23    2071583

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "Catch a grip dingle. Apart from the chip on your shoulder about not winning 5 in a row, what Nathan did today was just two players having a tussle off the ball. Was he stupid to kick out, yes he was but there was nothing malicious or dangerous about it.

I guess I don't need to ask you for your opinion on Seamus Darby's goal in 1982."
Wasn't that the tackle on Kerry's Mickey O' Sullivan by Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back?

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 28/01/2018 20:29:59    2071593

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Couple of the 'should have gone to specsavers' brigade are on here this evening I read.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 28/01/2018 20:41:33    2071600

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Replying To Rockies:  "Wasn't that the tackle on Kerry's Mickey O' Sullivan by Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back?"
You're right Rockies, Brian Mullins wasn't involved at all. At least 4 Dublin players had a go at him & it was Sean Doherty who delivered the coup de grace & it wasn't a clothesline tackle either.

Check it out on YouTube.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 28/01/2018 20:46:27    2071607

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Replying To dingle2:  "Brian Mullins should have got the line in 1977 semi-final for the worst clothes line tackle I have ever seen. Ref bottled it and cost Kerry Five-In-A-Row and nearly cost Micko his job. Obviously with his offspring the apple not fall far from tree...only difference was that the referee made the correct decision this time.
Brian Mullins was a fine footballer but had a cynical streak in him which was surprising in that his football pedigree was of Kerry (his uncle was the great & legendary Bill Casey of Lispole and multiple All Ireland winner with Kerry in the late 30's and early 40's."
See below....It was Sean Doherty...not Brian Mullins

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 28/01/2018 20:59:44    2071617

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Replying To Rockies:  "See below....It was Sean Doherty...not Brian Mullins"
Think Micky Ned became the meat in the sandwich between Sean Doherty and Alan Larkin. A painful experience for a young player.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 28/01/2018 21:15:18    2071627

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