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I know it's early but how do you think Tyrone will get on next year?
Monaghan tough first round.
League predictions?
New players who could make an impact?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 21/11/2017 20:10:03    2063216

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I know it's early but how do you think Tyrone will get on next year?
Monaghan tough first round.
League predictions?
New players who could make an impact?"
Much the same as last year to be honest, look a level above in Ulster.

Won't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo.

Could do well in the league, but as we know, it's become something of a faux progress indicator in recent years.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 22/11/2017 10:24:23    2063250

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We definitely have the players to compete, I actually think we have enough quality to beat the Dublins, Kerrys and Mayos of this world, but it really just depends on what attitude we take and what lessons have been learned over the past year.

Unfortunately with what we have seen with the current management team it looks like more of the same. We will no doubt play the same style, make the same mistakes and suffer the same consequences and then this time next year we will be repeating ourselves and going over old ground again.

In terms of new members to the panel, I actually don't think we are far away with the current line up we have. I definitely think that Declan McClure needs a permanent start in midfield as he was exceptional in every game he played this year and we need a strong midfield presence to compete in the modern game.

Mickey also needs to back one of his star forwards and stick with him, whether that be McCurry, O'Neill, Brennan, Mulgrew or McAliskey. No more of the chopping and changing. These players strive on confidence and if the manager shows none in them or changes his mind every fortnight then we are never going to get the best out of them come the business end of the championship.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 22/11/2017 14:47:02    2063277

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Replying To Wally:  "We definitely have the players to compete, I actually think we have enough quality to beat the Dublins, Kerrys and Mayos of this world, but it really just depends on what attitude we take and what lessons have been learned over the past year.

Unfortunately with what we have seen with the current management team it looks like more of the same. We will no doubt play the same style, make the same mistakes and suffer the same consequences and then this time next year we will be repeating ourselves and going over old ground again.

In terms of new members to the panel, I actually don't think we are far away with the current line up we have. I definitely think that Declan McClure needs a permanent start in midfield as he was exceptional in every game he played this year and we need a strong midfield presence to compete in the modern game.

Mickey also needs to back one of his star forwards and stick with him, whether that be McCurry, O'Neill, Brennan, Mulgrew or McAliskey. No more of the chopping and changing. These players strive on confidence and if the manager shows none in them or changes his mind every fortnight then we are never going to get the best out of them come the business end of the championship."
Agree about McClure. Has all the attributes to be a great player. Should be a starter next year.
Agree about chopping and changing the forward. Stick with the two best you have, get them confidence etc. Personally I'd go for Bradley and McAliskey.
Where you and I have butted heads in the past is the system or whatever you want call it. I think if we played Dublin or Mayo 15 against 15 we would get hammered. Dublin especially have better players (who would start from Tyrone for Dublin?). Everyone would love 15 on 15 and the final score to be 2-20 to 2-19 and every point to be scored from 45m out and no sledging etc. But sport doesn't work like that. You have to even things up. We have the best sweeper in the country. Keep Colm where he is. Now we need the system tweaked obviously, we were hammered last year. But I wouldn't radically overhaul the current system we have. No need for a second sweeper. Maybe bring in Canavan or stevie O'Neill to help with the forwards.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 23/11/2017 14:59:20    2063379

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Agree about McClure. Has all the attributes to be a great player. Should be a starter next year.
Agree about chopping and changing the forward. Stick with the two best you have, get them confidence etc. Personally I'd go for Bradley and McAliskey.
Where you and I have butted heads in the past is the system or whatever you want call it. I think if we played Dublin or Mayo 15 against 15 we would get hammered. Dublin especially have better players (who would start from Tyrone for Dublin?). Everyone would love 15 on 15 and the final score to be 2-20 to 2-19 and every point to be scored from 45m out and no sledging etc. But sport doesn't work like that. You have to even things up. We have the best sweeper in the country. Keep Colm where he is. Now we need the system tweaked obviously, we were hammered last year. But I wouldn't radically overhaul the current system we have. No need for a second sweeper. Maybe bring in Canavan or stevie O'Neill to help with the forwards."
Sorry but I just don't agree with you regarding our players. Yes we don't have as good of players as Dublin but nobody does at the moment. But we definately are not as far away from them as the semi final display would make you believe.

I would argue that we have as good of footballers as Mayo though and they should have beaten Dublin in 3 All Ireland Finals over the past two years.

The difference between us and Mayo is that when they play one of the other top teams they actually go out and attack the game and try to beat them. They match their intensity and equal their risk in the counter attack.

I never said that we should revert back to 15 vrs 15, but we can't keep going they way we are because it is getting us nowhere in our ultimate ambition of winning another All Ireland. It was soul destroying watching a team of very talented players in last years semi final look absolutely clueless when their initial game plan wasn't working. These guys should be instinctive, not looking blankly to the sideline when things are not working out. In that game we were losing by 10 points in the second half yet we still had 12-13 men behind the ball. It is total madness.

Attack the game and take them on and don't worry that their jersey says Dublin or Mayo or Kerry. Take a leaf out of our team of the noughties and show absolutely no respect to the opposing team.

Next year we will still set up with men behind the ball and play a defensive/counter attacking game but we have to trust our players to the last. This has to be the case regardless of who we are playing, and if things are not working out then we need to let the players know that they can revert to plan B or they should know this instinctively.

Again I think this is stemming from our managements philosophy and not from a lack of quality available to us.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 30/11/2017 09:43:00    2064084

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Replying To Wally:  "Sorry but I just don't agree with you regarding our players. Yes we don't have as good of players as Dublin but nobody does at the moment. But we definately are not as far away from them as the semi final display would make you believe.

I would argue that we have as good of footballers as Mayo though and they should have beaten Dublin in 3 All Ireland Finals over the past two years.

The difference between us and Mayo is that when they play one of the other top teams they actually go out and attack the game and try to beat them. They match their intensity and equal their risk in the counter attack.

I never said that we should revert back to 15 vrs 15, but we can't keep going they way we are because it is getting us nowhere in our ultimate ambition of winning another All Ireland. It was soul destroying watching a team of very talented players in last years semi final look absolutely clueless when their initial game plan wasn't working. These guys should be instinctive, not looking blankly to the sideline when things are not working out. In that game we were losing by 10 points in the second half yet we still had 12-13 men behind the ball. It is total madness.

Attack the game and take them on and don't worry that their jersey says Dublin or Mayo or Kerry. Take a leaf out of our team of the noughties and show absolutely no respect to the opposing team.

Next year we will still set up with men behind the ball and play a defensive/counter attacking game but we have to trust our players to the last. This has to be the case regardless of who we are playing, and if things are not working out then we need to let the players know that they can revert to plan B or they should know this instinctively.

Again I think this is stemming from our managements philosophy and not from a lack of quality available to us."
Look we disagree and we will see how we get on next year.
I feel we are the 4th best team. Miles behind Dublin. Mayo have beaten us consistently in championship and league and Kerry have won the last 3/4 minor titles so they are going to improve.
I don't feel MH is naive enough to go out and play like last year against Dublin. He is a smart manager and will tweak his system. I see Stevie O'Neill has joined the back room team which is an excellent appointment. Players are a year older and a few new additions will help.
Looking forward to next year and hopefully we will kick on.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/11/2017 20:06:14    2064166

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Look we disagree and we will see how we get on next year.
I feel we are the 4th best team. Miles behind Dublin. Mayo have beaten us consistently in championship and league and Kerry have won the last 3/4 minor titles so they are going to improve.
I don't feel MH is naive enough to go out and play like last year against Dublin. He is a smart manager and will tweak his system. I see Stevie O'Neill has joined the back room team which is an excellent appointment. Players are a year older and a few new additions will help.
Looking forward to next year and hopefully we will kick on."
I actually think you guys have the players but continuing with your manager for another year I fear will lead to the same result. You will win ulster get to semis and then meet Dubs, Kerry or Mayo and then that's where Mickey's set up falls apart. Taking Stevie Oneill in is positive but will his opinion matter with the overbearing single mindedness of Harte - I don't think so.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/01/2018 20:02:00    2069726

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "I actually think you guys have the players but continuing with your manager for another year I fear will lead to the same result. You will win ulster get to semis and then meet Dubs, Kerry or Mayo and then that's where Mickey's set up falls apart. Taking Stevie Oneill in is positive but will his opinion matter with the overbearing single mindedness of Harte - I don't think so."
Unfortunately I think you are 100% correct.

It was madness to give Mickey another 3 year contract extension. This basically backs him to continue as he left off regardless of results or style of play.

Another one year would have been enough, and may have given him an incentive to play the type of football that involves a certain degree of risk.

Anyway I have talked extensively about this issue over the past couple of years and it makes no difference.

Hopefully I am proved wrong but I think that we are going to suffer a serious dose of deja vu this year!

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 22/01/2018 13:55:46    2069861

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There is a good opportunity to gave the league a good rattle this year and three in a row in Ulster would be a good achievement. It is very hard to see an all-Ireland at this stage and I have a feeling this team could be a bit like the Tyrone team of 1994-1997 in that they are a good team but will be unable to break that glass ceiling at the very top. The class of player that was all over the All-Ireland winning teams of 2003-08 does not appear to be there yet.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 23/01/2018 09:52:14    2070030

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Lads any idea what kind of team Tyrone will have out?Will it be experimental or strong one?? If it's strong there are two handy points waiting for ye in Tuam.

hawkeye65 (Galway) - Posts: 61 - 26/01/2018 13:39:58    2070793

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Replying To hawkeye65:  "Lads any idea what kind of team Tyrone will have out?Will it be experimental or strong one?? If it's strong there are two handy points waiting for ye in Tuam."
Strong enough line-up Hawkeye, 1 debutante and the other 14 are a roughly a 50/50 mix of starters and squad players from last year

Tyrone (Allianz FL v Galway): Niall Morgan; Michael McKiernan, Ronan McNamee, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Padraig McNulty; Conal McCann, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Darren McCurry, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey

downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 26/01/2018 15:12:28    2070818

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Replying To hawkeye65:  "Lads any idea what kind of team Tyrone will have out?Will it be experimental or strong one?? If it's strong there are two handy points waiting for ye in Tuam."
Hawkeye it will be a mixture of experience, and players that haven't seen a lot of football. I would say about 7 Championship starters in the team named.

TyroneUltra (Tyrone) - Posts: 307 - 26/01/2018 15:14:39    2070819

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Tyrone (Allianz FL v Galway): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Padraig McNulty; Conal McCann, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Darren McCurry, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Lee Brennan, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Frank Burns, Richard Donnelly, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNabb, Ronan O'Neill.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 26/01/2018 18:28:02    2070867

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shocking shocking stuff yesterday!!!, looks like our hopes for this year are fading very fast and it is only January. no idea what to do to once we went 4pts down in the first 5mins as has been said before the system may just about work if we are ahead but like the Dubs match last year we had plenty of time yesterday to get into the match and peg them back but we just kept on side ways and backwards passing, same again on the free taking front the most reliable man was on the bench watching the match you have to wonder how much more game time will the same forwards get before Lee gets a run,
As with last year we are just not good enough our players are not allowed to paly football and this in turn is holding us back as team have now worked out how to beat so why are we still doing the same thing year after year.

redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 29/01/2018 14:05:41    2071954

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Redbomb, where you up in Ballybofey last year in the league, it was every bit as bad as the Galway game, Donegal run through us the 6 point defeat flattered Tyrone that night. We all know what happened in the Ulster Semi final between the same 2 teams. I agree it was dire stuff and very disappointing to travel all the way to Tuam to see such a poor performance, BUT it is only a league game in January in the larger scale of things Tyrone cant be judged on the Galway game for how rest of the year will pan out. It will be interesting to see how we go against Dublin, we seemed very flat against Galway, the pitch didn't look great but both teams had to play on it. I am just hoping for a bit more energy and battling against Dublin. Tir' Eoghain Abu.

TyroneUltra (Tyrone) - Posts: 307 - 01/02/2018 15:37:46    2073127

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I thought it was a promising first half performance and we showed we could compete when we go man-to-man. Great to see Lee Brennan stepping up to the mark - with full fitness in the Summer I think we can be a match for anyone; just need to brush up on the shooting. There are a few weaknesses, eg. as highlighted by the first goal (not mentioning any names!), but even with that a 5 point defeat with some very poor shooting was a much better performance than the all Ireland semi finals last year. I also note Dublin had 11 starters from then that started this match and 4 others involved in both matches so this was close to a Dublin first team with one or two obvious exceptions.

redhandroar (Tyrone) - Posts: 59 - 04/02/2018 23:07:25    2074117

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A win is a win but did Tyrone deserve it, they really made hard work of it.

They were lucky to get a win, as the closing stages drew in I thought they were heading for a draw at best.

How many frees did we give away, crazy amount for sure and lots of mistakes causing turnovers.

I lost count of how many of our kick outs were won by Kildare, Morgan kept launching the ball into the midfield area for it to be stolen by much bigger Kildare midfielders. But not sure if no one was making themselves available for morgan or he just was lazy in his selection.

Anyway, a lot of negatives. But take the win any day and hoping we can stay up. We need to be getting points of Monaghan, Donegal and maybe Mayo, they were poor enough against Galway.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 12/02/2018 11:34:41    2076160

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Tyrone will win nothing until we change the mind set of the supporters and change our management. The bottom line is that we the supporters are happy with a few trips to Dublin in the summer and coming up the road with a pat on the back saying we're not that far away. We are far away we're 10 points worse than Dublin and that's them going easy on us. No plan b he just stands there with his hands behind his back. There will be no sliver wear in Tyrone this year now he lost his beloved McKenna cup.

TYRONE_MICK (Tyrone) - Posts: 332 - 22/02/2018 12:40:10    2079186

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Replying To TYRONE_MICK:  "Tyrone will win nothing until we change the mind set of the supporters and change our management. The bottom line is that we the supporters are happy with a few trips to Dublin in the summer and coming up the road with a pat on the back saying we're not that far away. We are far away we're 10 points worse than Dublin and that's them going easy on us. No plan b he just stands there with his hands behind his back. There will be no sliver wear in Tyrone this year now he lost his beloved McKenna cup."
How do you all see the Monaghan game on Saturday night ? Probably not much in it but only a dress rehearsal for our summer meeting.

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 22/02/2018 15:15:49    2079227

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "How do you all see the Monaghan game on Saturday night ? Probably not much in it but only a dress rehearsal for our summer meeting."
Monaghan will win by 4 or 5

MODEU (None) - Posts: 108 - 22/02/2018 17:12:36    2079268

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