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Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "As a manger you don't want footballers to be happy sitting and warming the bench ...you need them to think they earned the right to playing on the first team, that way you have everybody pushing for places and you are creating a higher intensity of football that the manger desires on the field of play !
What you don't say as a manger/coach informed he had others ahead of him for position...what you are doing is given that player A sense of not belonging and they are going to quit and walk away dejected !
When a footballer think He/She has the right to be on the starting team you don't tell them there are others ahead of them...what you tell them there are parts of their game they need to work on before they can be considered as a first team starter ! By saying that you're are given the player a goal to work towards and a sense of belonging
It sounds like the situation was badly handled ..Also we don't want to created situations were the players are Afraid to speak out and then Trial by social media !" Well to be fair I'd say that was said to him.
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Replying To royaldunne: " Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "As a manger you don't want footballers to be happy sitting and warming the bench ...you need them to think they earned the right to playing on the first team, that way you have everybody pushing for places and you are creating a higher intensity of football that the manger desires on the field of play !
What you don't say as a manger/coach informed he had others ahead of him for position...what you are doing is given that player A sense of not belonging and they are going to quit and walk away dejected !
When a footballer think He/She has the right to be on the starting team you don't tell them there are others ahead of them...what you tell them there are parts of their game they need to work on before they can be considered as a first team starter ! By saying that you're are given the player a goal to work towards and a sense of belonging
It sounds like the situation was badly handled ..Also we don't want to created situations were the players are Afraid to speak out and then Trial by social media !" Well to be fair I'd say that was said to him."
Doesn't it look better if Andy Mac said to that player that he needs to work harder on certain aspects of his game before he would be considered a starter !
If Andy said that and the player walked away it would look like the player was willing not to work hard for his place and in a political sense it looks like the player was at fault not Andy Mac.
Every footballer thinks he should be a starter ...you don't want a footballer thinking all i am is a fringe player just here to make up the numbers.
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 01/05/2018 19:17:55
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Regards Meath players leaving the panel.
I dont think the full picture is being told here. Some have said players dropping of Meath panel in such number's are unprecedented. This is factually wrong , incorrect . Throughout division 4 3 and 2, players are leaving panels for different reasons at a rate we have never witnessed before in football in recent years. From Cork to Derry from Wexford to Galway, the number of players leaving panels is unprecedented and very worrying. Colm Keys in the Irish Indo recently wrote an article on this matter. He had done research on players who played in last years league and championship in the 32 counties, but did not play any part in this years league whatsoever . The numbers are very revealing. What is for certain, this is not just a Meath issue, this is a national wide issue.
Players rarely left panels 20 or so years ago. But with the introduction of the qualifiers in the early 00s, we saw players from div 3 and div 4 teams walking away when there team was beaten in the championship and their county undertook the qualifer route. The GAA didnt care. But it set a dangerous precident. For the first time ever many players would leave a panel ( many of them went to US for the summer ) in the championship, in the summer. In the last 5 or 6 years we have seen players leaving panels for many reasons in strong traditional counties , division 2 teams. For example Jamie Clarke possibly the best forward in the country, definatly the best Armagh footballer of his generation. This year and 2 seasons ago he did not commit to the county team. Counties like Cork Down and Meath are all seen a turnover of their panels that were unimaginable 10 years. Its not just division 2, 3 and 4 teams. Some division 1 teams are also facing the same issue. We are now seen players leaving at a level for different reasons we have never seen before in the game nationwide
Anyway here are the stats, the facts. Make of them what u want. But I do believe to say players leaving the Meath panel and not mention that players are leaving county panels on mass at unprecedented level from Cork to Derry and from Antrim to Wexford is unfair and not telling the full story.
What counties have the lowest number players that have left the panel this year? . Yes the top teams in division 1 have the less player drain.
Below r the number of players who were in played in the league and championship last year for their county but did not resurface in 2018 league for different reasons
1 Tyrone 4 players
2 Monaghan 5 players
3 Dublin 6 players
4 Donegal 6 players
5 Mayo 6 players
Basically 5 of the 6 best teams in the country all sucessful counties, recently have the lowest number of player turnover in the country .
The other division 1 teams numbers are
Kerry 11 players ( Kerry are in transition, and are overhauling their panel. This would be a normal number for a county in transition)
Kildare have 9 and Galway have 10 players who were on last years panel. I would say kildare are probaly a division 2 team and while Galway have shown great promise this spring. Until we see those performances repeated in this summer and next year, we will then see Galways true worth .But overall the top teams in the country, keep their players best. Outside div 1, its a different story altogether, with player turnover at unprecedented levels in the last few years.
We are seen for the first time in the last few years huge players turnover in strong traditional counties eg Cork Down . These counties are having their worst decade in generations . For example this is Meaths worst decade in 100 years, Galways worst decade since 1900 and Down and Cork worst decade in 70 years and Armagh Derry and loais worst decade in 50 years. It is also kildares worst decade in 90 years so far along with the 1980s.
All these counties are reaching all time lows collectively . As Paddy O Rourke said recently players are putting in huge effort but with no sucess on the field. The below stats tell the picture nationwide
Below r the number of players from counties who have were on panels last year, played in the league or championship in 2017 but did not play any role in this years league on the county team or panel.
First we name strong football counties who were successful in the recent past
Roscommon 12 players
Derry 19 players
Cork 18 players
Meath 16 players
Offaly 16 players
Galway 10 players
Down 12 players
Cavan 10 players
Laois 11 players
20 or 15 years ago it would be unimaginable if 12 players were off the Down panel in 12 months or 18 players in Cork. But that is happening now. Do the GAA care?. What happens when players start to leave the Mayos and Kerrys in droves in the future.
Other counties players who participanted in last years league or championship, but did not resurface this year
Leitrim 13 players
London 14 players
Sligo 13 players
longford 12 players
louth 14 players
Westmeath 13 players
Wexford 17 players
Wicklow 15 players
Clare 10 players
limerick 12 players
Antrim 14 players
Armagh 10 players
From a national level. This is very worrying. From a Meath respective, the numbers above show it is not unprecedented the numbers dropping of the Meath panel. Yes Meath are one of the highest dropout rates. But for nearly all division 2 3 and 4 teams the numbers are huge. Derry Cork Wexford have higher numbers of players then Meath that did not resurface in 2018 league but played in 2017 league or championship While Offaly Wicklow london Louth have pretty much the same numbers as Meath. While Armagh Galway Clare limerick Westmeath longford Leitrim Cavan laois and Roscommon are in double digits for players not far off Meaths number of player's
So to talk about Meath players no longer on the panel and not mention all the other counties facing pretty much the same issues is not telling the full story. Yes there is a major turnover of players in Meath in the last 12 months but there has been a major turnover of players in the last 12 months from Derry to Cork. 22 of the 32 counties have 10 or more players that participated last year but havent this year. More then one in three of every footballers nation wide that played a competitive game for their county in 2017 did not resurface in 2018 . Of the 1040 players nationwide who saw action in the league or championship in 2017, 366 have not played so far in 2018.
So it is unfair to see this just as a Meath problem. Many have seen it as an issue for our current management. Our management is to tough on players. Players are not happy. Well 35 % of the players from all the 32 counties who played last year in the league or champuinship did not resurface in this years league. Meaths management current team cannot be blamed for 18 players in Cork or 13 players in Derry or 16 in Offaly or 14 in louth not particapting in their respective counties panels. This is part and parcel of modern football. Every year now across division 2 3 and 4 and even division 1 counties there is a massive percentage fall off in the inter county game.Do the GAA care? Will the problem get worse?..Or we already nationwide at crisis level?. If the current trend continues in all the counties continues things will inevitably get worse and worse and maybe 1 or 2 counties in the country wil have very little turnver players. Is that what will happen in 2020s 2030s and 40s?. Time will tell." I have to compliment you on your research!!..what a post!......ps. up Longford!!!!......
Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 01/05/2018 19:26:05
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royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/05/2018 19:36:15
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A couple of points I would like to make
1 Just to clarify the stats for players on panels are from Irish Independent.
2 If McEntee was to go this year or even next year I believe it would be a disaster for Meath football. Things could get worse. We have done this before when we had 5 manager in 7 years between 05 to 2012. We ended up in div 3 in the spring of 2013 and lost our first two games in the div 3 and looked like relegation to div 4 was going to happen. The reason why was we kept changing manager's and the development of a talented group of players was halted. Changing managers leads to inconsistency and a new manager with new idea brings everything back to stage 1 again.
If McEntee goes at end of this year some or next players like Donal keoghan who is only 25 or 26 would have had 4 different managers in 7 years. The last time we had 4 or 5 managers in 7 years we ended up in div 3 heading towards div 4.
Thats what I think will happen. There is a possibility of that happening. Look at laois and Derry in div 4. Look at how Armagh kildare Down Derry loais and Westmeath have spent time in div 3 in the last 3 or 4 years ( Down will next year). Loais had a good manager in McNulty and beat us in 2013 and reached a q final and lost by 3 points to Dublin in his third year in charge. Laois got rid of him. Appointed managers who werent as good and are currently this year in div 4. That can happen to us.
3 If McEntee leaves there is no top class manger inside or outside manager who can takeover and improve us. We will ptobaly have go with a young inexperienced manager who would have very little experience and no sucess at managing senior club or county teams. Basically the manager would have a worst CV then our last 7 managers who all had some sucess at managing senior players. ( Even O Dowd managed Skyrne to county senior title). And yet we werent happy with any of our last 7 managers yet we expect an inexperienced novice at senior management to do better. It makes no sense. Division 3 football is the likely outcome.
4 Again I never expected promotion this year or last year. I expected to be knocked out of championship in mid July and the same this year. I wasnt surprised. Theres a slight chance we might go on a run in the backdoor but its unlikely and always was going to be. It takes time to turn a county around. It took Boylan Dywer and McGee all 4 to 5 years to turn around their teams. For Mcentee to turn things around in 24 months it has never been done before in leinster football. When a county with a great past is in the doldrums, it takes years to turn things around. Look at Walsh in his first year with Galway, Galway were hammered and humiliated by Mayo in the championship, in his second Galway are hammered and humilated by Tipp in the chamouinship, in his third year in charge Galway are hammered and humilated by Roscommon in the championship. Its only in his 3rd year, promotion was achieved and in his 4th year we saw huge progress. And remeber he has 3 All Ireland winning under 21 teams to pick from.
Gor me McEntee is not even half way through the job. I would give him 2 more years in charge and make Geraghty or Callaghan under 20 manager for next two years so a sucession plan is put in place to replace McEntee whenever he goes. Thats what other counties do. Dessie Farrell and Jack O Connor will more then likely be Dublin or kerrys next senior managers. All were placed in charge of under 21s of Dublin and Kerry.
If there is a manager out there that can improve take us to the next level, he should be appointed in the morning, but there is no candidates inside county and outside that are available. McEntee is the most sucessful Meath manager of his generation. If O Dowd was given 5 years we cannot let McEntee go after 2 or 3 years. We have been down this road before. Sacking managers. Madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We need to learn from the madness of late 00s when we had 5 managers in 7 years.
5 Players leaving ,Toibin is a good impact sub and we will miss him from the bench. Rooney, he still needs to get match fitness after a year travelling. He was poor when introduced in the league. But is still an option from the bench. If Kennelly or Flanagan dont form a strong partnership with Menton ,we could have used Rooney. Midfield is a problem area for 15 years. With the loss of Gillespie O Rourke and Nash ( all could have been top class midfielders) we haven't had a strong partnership since 2012 and 2013 with Gillespie and Meade. The last two years we played well in the championship. Kennelly has really impressed me. But he needs to keep that up and we need to improve on kickouts and breaking ball. If midfield is a problem area again this summer, which it has been since John McDermont retired ,we will have another short summer.
Biggest lose is McKeever. Is he gone?. If he is it is a big loss. Lenihan and Mckeever are both 25 or 26 both at their peak, both the two best inside forwards in the county. They have only played once together in full forward line v Down and we scores 4 -14. Lenihan Mckeever and Sullivam scored 3-9 or 3-10 between them and its a long time since we had a forward line scoring so much..We havent replaced Bray. Meath football sucess has always been built on duo in the full forward line eg McDermont Meegan in 40s 50s Curran Shanley in 60s O Rourke Flynn in the 80s ( Stafford used to play a bit deep to allow the above space) Geraghty and Ollie in the 90s. Im not saying Mckeever or lenihan are as good as Ollie and GG. But having two quality inside forwards up front gives us options instead. Sullivan Mckeever Lenihan forward line ( with Sullivan playing a bit deeper and the Wallaces and Reilly attacking with pace from the 40 gives us options). I could see Mckeever and lenihan in the next few years causing many teams problems. So if he has gone, it is a blow. We need B McMahon to really stand up then. He has great ability and most natural inside forward we have and has had shown some class in the past eg 2015 first half v Westmeath. But he is still.learning his game at 23. Mckeever and lenihan are reaching peaks of their career.
Delighted to see Keoghan at 6 and J McEntee at 5. Half back line is a problem since 2000. Having our best player at 6 and playing J McEntee at 5 seems to be getting the best out of him.
6 Overall we need to stick with this management and give them the time. For me I have never seen confidence levels or interest in the county team are as low as they are now. There is a serious negative vibe around Meath football at the moment. 5 years of groundhog day with no promotion , knocked out of the championship in mid July by Ulster teams and bad defeats to Dublin in 2014 and Westmeath in 2015 and many more. Has led to a serious lack of confidence and belief in our players. TThey have had bad experiences at underage and senior level in the Meath jersey. They have lost belief and confidence after years and years of lack sucess. It will take time and patience to build up there confidence again. I believe McEntee is the best bet to do that. But it will take years to turn things around.
6 Finally one of the reasons players are leaving panels nationwide could be generational also. The millenials are more likely to change jobs and travel the world more then other generations. Players in 60s 70s 80s and 90s allot of them stayed in the same job and place for life. This current generation are more likely to change job or country then older generations.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 01/05/2018 19:58:37
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Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 01/05/2018 20:13:23
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i just want to show the actual number of players and panels and numbers below altogether. I think that alone shows how widespread players leaving panels. Yes Meath are one of the highest dropout rates. But for nearly all division 2 3 and 4 teams the numbers are huge, anything over 10 is a high number, 22 counties have over ten players.
Below r the number of players who played in the league and championship last year 2017 for their county but did not resurface in 2018 league for different reasons
Derry 19 players
Cork 18 players
Wexford 17 players
Offaly 16 players
Meath 16 players
Wicklow 15 players
Antrim 14 players
London 14 players
louth 14 players
Leitrim 13 players
Westmeath 13 players
Sligo 13 players
longford 12 players
Down 12 players
Roscommon 12 players
limerick 12 players
Kerry 11 players
Laois 11 players
Clare 10 players
Cavan 10 players
Galway 10 players
kildare 9 players
Dublin 6 players
Donegal 6 players
Mayo 6 players
Monaghan 5 players
Tyrone 4 players
Of the 1040 players nationwide who saw action in the league or championship in 2017, 366 have not played so far in 2018.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 01/05/2018 21:09:33
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Replying To longroadback: "While you are correct and it is a big problem nationwide, of more concern locally is those who started off the season on the panel but have now chosen to leave, that is unusual. Why would a fella commit to doing all the preseason and winter training and leave the panel, 4 or 5 weeks before the championship? I think that is a very fair question to raise." This is not unsual. Players have being leaving panels all across the country before the championship for years. Players have left panels in the championship when their counties entered their qualifiers for 17 years. One of the best midfielders in Ireland, Brendan Murphy, has just left the Carlow panel in the last two weeks. Carlow had a very good season last year and league this year. Yet their best player has just left the panel. Liam Silke who was voted the best club player in the country in the last year, has just left the Galway football panel last week, I have heard players have left the kildare Roscommon and Laois panel since the league ended. I dont if that is true about Roscomon kildare and laois, but I was told by kildare Roscommon and laois supporters. So I am open to correction on that. But players leaving football panels is a nationwide problem outside the top 5 or 6 teams. Look at on the main Hogan Stand page and you can see possibly the best Ulster forward of his generation playing for New York in America rather then at home with Armagh. It would be like Sean O Neill of Down in the 60s or Peter Cavanan of Tyrone in the 90s leaving the county panel every second year and playing for New York. Even some of the top players in the country eg Brendan Murphy Jamie Clarke Sean Armstrong to name but a few have left football panels in recent years. This is new , unusual and unprecedented in terms of the numbers. 35 % of the players from all the 32 counties who played last year in the league or championship did not resurface in this years league. That is a shockng turnover.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 01/05/2018 21:37:56
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Replying To Furlong1949: "This is not unsual. Players have being leaving panels all across the country before the championship for years. Players have left panels in the championship when their counties entered their qualifiers for 17 years. One of the best midfielders in Ireland, Brendan Murphy, has just left the Carlow panel in the last two weeks. Carlow had a very good season last year and league this year. Yet their best player has just left the panel. Liam Silke who was voted the best club player in the country in the last year, has just left the Galway football panel last week, I have heard players have left the kildare Roscommon and Laois panel since the league ended. I dont if that is true about Roscomon kildare and laois, but I was told by kildare Roscommon and laois supporters. So I am open to correction on that. But players leaving football panels is a nationwide problem outside the top 5 or 6 teams. Look at on the main Hogan Stand page and you can see possibly the best Ulster forward of his generation playing for New York in America rather then at home with Armagh. It would be like Sean O Neill of Down in the 60s or Peter Cavanan of Tyrone in the 90s leaving the county panel every second year and playing for New York. Even some of the top players in the country eg Brendan Murphy Jamie Clarke Sean Armstrong to name but a few have left football panels in recent years. This is new , unusual and unprecedented in terms of the numbers. 35 % of the players from all the 32 counties who played last year in the league or championship did not resurface in this years league. That is a shockng turnover." Calling Jamie Clarke one of the greatest Ulster forwards of his generation is absolutely crazy. He is, a top club player, but esentially unproven at county level, bar the odd couple of good games for Armagh.
RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 01/05/2018 22:31:06
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The number of players which left nationally this year runs a very close line to the percentage fall off from year to year in the last couple of years in the inter county game. So with players leaving the Meath panel this year, its similar to what has been happening nationally recently .
There is definatly a trend occuring, is it a player drain? Well compared to 20 years ago, 19 players didnt leave a Derry panel over a year or 12 players didnt leave a Down panel or 18 players didnt leave a Cork football panel 20 years ago. And I know for a fact that 16 players didnt leave a Meath panel over a year, 20 or 10 years ago.
The breakdown in terms of players leaving each division is
Division 1 66 players
Division 2 103 players
Divsion 3 107 players
Division 4 94 players
Division 2 and 3 are the divisions with the biggest drop off of players. Division 2 is the divsion we have spent 11 of the last 12 years in.
PS I meant to say Clarke was a great talent, which he is. he mightnt have the medals, but he is talented. Pat Spillane has gone on record to say he thinks he is the best forward in Ireland, Spillane did a make up gaa transfer list a couple of year ago. If players could be bought on a transfer market similar to soccer. His top 4 expensive players were worth €50 million each , and they were: Michael Murphy (Donegal), Colm Cooper (Kerry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Jamie Clarke (Armagh). Im sure many wouldnt agree with that. But Im not the only one who think Clarke is a great talent. But at the end of the day, its irrevelent, the main issue here is players leaving the inter county game at unprecedented levels.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 01/05/2018 23:18:42
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The players are not peripheral , they are players who played some part in a competitive game in the league or championship in 2017
The total number players used in 2017 in the league and championship / The number of players who didnt return this year
Galway 33 / 11 did not return
Leitrim 37/ 13 did not return
London 31 / 14 did not return
Roscommon 32/ 12 did not return
Sligo 32 / 13 did not return
Kildare 33 / 9 did not return
Laois 34 / 11 did not return
longford 29 / 12 did not return
louth 33 / 14 did not return
Offaly 35 / 16 did not return
Meath 37/ 16 did not return
Westmeath 33 / 13 did not return
Wexford 32 / 17 did not return
Clare 27 / 10 did not return
Cork 35 / 18 did not return
Kerry 35/ 11 did not return
Limerick 29 / 12 did not return
Antrim 33 / 14 did not return
Armagh 32 / 10 did not return
Cavan 34 / 10 did not return
Derry 37/ 19 did not return
Down 33 / 12 did not return
Mayo 34/ 6 did not return
Dublin 35/ 6 did not return
Donegal 31 / 6 did not return
Monaghan 30/ 5 did not return
Tyrone 31 / 4 did not return
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 01/05/2018 23:45:13
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Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 330 - so we are in the top 4 by your stats
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 02/05/2018 01:00:58
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Replying To brian: "
I agree with the later part of your post its a 20 man game so patience is required but unfortunately is symptomatic of the state of things in Meath. Lads demanding stuff they've haven't earned the right too. Show the manager on the pitch and work with them off it show you deserve a jersey. When push comes to shove they crumble and its been going on for too long. For me Andy has shown a ruthless streak and can back up what he says, most of these players haven't and can't prove a thing and until they start doing so they've no right to demand anything.
You don't hear of disharmony in Dublin because those on the bench know they can lose a spot just as easily for the next game so when the do get in they make an impact knowing Gavin is just as likely to give them a chance at starting the next day if they do. That's lads proving they're good enough.
If some of these players could make an impact (starting and or off the bench) I'm sure Andy would have no problem picking them and going with them and maybe listening to their issues. But until they prove it on the pitch ... well don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out boys.." This to me is the problem with this management the players I feel don't think no matter what they do will get a real chance. Hence no goin to bother Cody Gavin Instill that believe in players will Andy mac do that. For me NO
to many strange panelists no disrespect to them aka big joe, Gallagher.disjiinted unpredictable Mickey mouse stuff on the field off it. No real coach involved our football is mish mash stuff. Basic free taking all over the place eg lenihan in louth game standing over ball then kicks it out of park real amateur stuff. This must come firm top down to know what we are doin it's been confusion from after the kildare game and in my view is where we stand now.
Longford game is goin to b tester for all concerned do I want change on personnel give the man his 3 years but for God sake look up and ell the roses something is rotten fix the thing.
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Replying To Reco: "This to me is the problem with this management the players I feel don't think no matter what they do will get a real chance. Hence no goin to bother Cody Gavin Instill that believe in players will Andy mac do that. For me NO
to many strange panelists no disrespect to them aka big joe, Gallagher.disjiinted unpredictable Mickey mouse stuff on the field off it. No real coach involved our football is mish mash stuff. Basic free taking all over the place eg lenihan in louth game standing over ball then kicks it out of park real amateur stuff. This must come firm top down to know what we are doin it's been confusion from after the kildare game and in my view is where we stand now.
Longford game is goin to b tester for all concerned do I want change on personnel give the man his 3 years but for God sake look up and ell the roses something is rotten fix the thing." Reco as i said in my post something is rotten and thats the players.
Four successive managers since Eamonn o'Brien got the gate have failed to get any more from the players.
The players have proven absolutely nothing in years to back up there demands over those managers.
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Replying To brian: "Reco as i said in my post something is rotten and thats the players.
Four successive managers since Eamonn o'Brien got the gate have failed to get any more from the players.
The players have proven absolutely nothing in years to back up there demands over those managers." Our opinions differ lad that's just all cheers
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Replying To Furlong1949: "This is not unsual. Players have being leaving panels all across the country before the championship for years. Players have left panels in the championship when their counties entered their qualifiers for 17 years. One of the best midfielders in Ireland, Brendan Murphy, has just left the Carlow panel in the last two weeks. Carlow had a very good season last year and league this year. Yet their best player has just left the panel. Liam Silke who was voted the best club player in the country in the last year, has just left the Galway football panel last week, I have heard players have left the kildare Roscommon and Laois panel since the league ended. I dont if that is true about Roscomon kildare and laois, but I was told by kildare Roscommon and laois supporters. So I am open to correction on that. But players leaving football panels is a nationwide problem outside the top 5 or 6 teams. Look at on the main Hogan Stand page and you can see possibly the best Ulster forward of his generation playing for New York in America rather then at home with Armagh. It would be like Sean O Neill of Down in the 60s or Peter Cavanan of Tyrone in the 90s leaving the county panel every second year and playing for New York. Even some of the top players in the country eg Brendan Murphy Jamie Clarke Sean Armstrong to name but a few have left football panels in recent years. This is new , unusual and unprecedented in terms of the numbers. 35 % of the players from all the 32 counties who played last year in the league or championship did not resurface in this years league. That is a shockng turnover." Two lads left Roscommon panel since league finished. One has never played for the county bar one game in the FBD league in January and is going to the states, The other was a regular 3 years ago but has barely got a minute since a bad couple of injuries since 2015.
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Do the fans have a part to play in Meath's demise?
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Lot of re working of facts to suit certain agendas, players leaving a panel after a full season is one thing.... 7 or 8 players dropping themselves off a panel 4/5 weeks before the championship is totally different, Fair enough their is instances of it in other counties, Brendan Murphy a key example. I am not for 1 minute suggesting that anyone in particular is responsible merely that there is something wrong. I agree that I cannot think of anyone better or more qualified than the current management team to lead us forward but that does not mean that they are immune to being questioned on certain things.
What is our gameplan?
What is our kickout strategy?
Are there lads who are looked on favourably over others?
Are decisions valid and discussions open?
Do lads know exactly what is expected from when they go on to the field?
Are bleep tests necessary in April?
Are our match warm ups to intense?
Why are we not retaining players?
Why doesnt every man playing club football see playing for his county as a chore and not an honour?
The 3 keepers on our panel for various reasons did not play in goal for their club in the first 2 rounds of the SFC?
But these are valid concerns, Its easy to blame players or management but that doesn't really get to the bottom of the issue. We need every man pulling in the same direction to get anywhere.
longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 325 - 02/05/2018 11:24:22
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Replying To Cuckoosinging: "Two lads left Roscommon panel since league finished. One has never played for the county bar one game in the FBD league in January and is going to the states, The other was a regular 3 years ago but has barely got a minute since a bad couple of injuries since 2015." But other r and Dardis got very little time either. We are talking about PANEL players. We had over 40 at one stage. So when some of them leave it's considered big news to some. Honestly I don't think some of the panel players leaving is a big deal, as I'm sure u don't when the leave Roscommon. Let them try out again next year.
I'll use paddy Kennelly as prime example yet again.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/05/2018 11:34:14
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