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David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?

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Clifford can only be termed an up and coming player. He can only be compared like for like. He was an outstanding Minor footballer and possibly one of the best ever. He can't be judged on speculation. He has great talent and he is certainly one to watch and we are yet to see how he handles life in a senior squad. Best of luck to him!

FOB (Dublin) - Posts: 840 - 19/12/2017 15:18:20    2065608

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What strikes me is that he talks like a fella going on 50 way to sensible for his age.
But it is a bit early yet to say if he can surpass the Gooch.
Sure the Gooch never played Aussie Rules and it will be nothing like the great Aussie Rules career Clifford is going to have.

The real comparison should be will Clifford surpass Jim Stynes? :D

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 949 - 19/12/2017 17:26:44    2065624

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Kerry pinning all their hopes on a minor...

How things have changed!

For all the minor success it never turned into a U21 title and they barely got out of Munster and never even reached a final at U21

Dubs have an abundance of U21 AI champs to pick from in 2018

I'd now what Id prefer.. a lot of pressure building on very young shoulders down south

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18697 - 21/12/2017 09:03:24    2065747

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Yerra sure what did Gooch and Dec ever do against the big bad Ulster men, they defo weren't playing against Armagh in 2006, or Tyrone in 2012, or 2015 or Donegal in 2014 or all those times against Monaghan, Antrim, Derry.

Stick to the hurling boss"
I think the reference is to performing against good teams at their peak, not against poor teams or teams in decline. As we all know, there isn't a decent team in Ulster at the moment; none of them are even close to making a realistic challenge for Sam; avoiding a thumping in the semis is about their limit.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 489 - 21/12/2017 09:51:02    2065751

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Replying To essmac:  "I think the reference is to performing against good teams at their peak, not against poor teams or teams in decline. As we all know, there isn't a decent team in Ulster at the moment; none of them are even close to making a realistic challenge for Sam; avoiding a thumping in the semis is about their limit."
Essmac I would argue that our team have been in decline since 2009 when Darragh o'sé left the ranks. Since then we've lost diarmuid Murphy Tom Sullivan tomás o'sé Marc o'sé tommy griffin mike McCarthy Declan o'Sullivan paul Galvin tommy Walsh gooch cooper Aidan o'mahony all brilliant players.

I would have to say Dublins big rise came on the back of the great Kerry Tyrone and cork teams natural decline but we'll all rise again with gods help.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7836 - 21/12/2017 12:03:49    2065768

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You would have to say best of luck to the young man. From a neutral point of view there is no greater sight in the GAA to see an impressive young talent get an opportunity which i hope he takes in the league.

Most of all i hope his welfare and development is looked after and that patience is offered to him, he has years ahead of him (hopefully) so no need for quick judgments or lofty comparisons, i am sure Kerry GAA will look after him well.

One thing i did wonder, was across the Kerry youth teams that have had success at under 18 level, Cliffards development does seem to be accelerated in terms of opportunity, i wonder what impact that will have on the successful players in the teams that enjoyed success who haven't broken though yet and a younger buck breaking through ahead. Could be positive or negative i suppose depending on your slant, such is competitive sport and a test of Fitzmaurices man management skills

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1891 - 21/12/2017 13:28:09    2065779

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Replying To TheUsername:  "You would have to say best of luck to the young man. From a neutral point of view there is no greater sight in the GAA to see an impressive young talent get an opportunity which i hope he takes in the league.

Most of all i hope his welfare and development is looked after and that patience is offered to him, he has years ahead of him (hopefully) so no need for quick judgments or lofty comparisons, i am sure Kerry GAA will look after him well.

One thing i did wonder, was across the Kerry youth teams that have had success at under 18 level, Cliffards development does seem to be accelerated in terms of opportunity, i wonder what impact that will have on the successful players in the teams that enjoyed success who haven't broken though yet and a younger buck breaking through ahead. Could be positive or negative i suppose depending on your slant, such is competitive sport and a test of Fitzmaurices man management skills"
You make some good points there username, I'd say the reason he's being fast tracked to the senior ranks is number 1 to stave off the Aussies and number 2 we need him.
Jod is a one hit wonder and has been living off his player of the year award since 2014 but doesn't seem to have heart or bravery to push on to the next level.
Donaghy is probably too old now to make any real impact anymore.
Mikey geaney and Johnny Buckley are the two most inconsistent players I've ever seen, donnacha Walsh is too old and even though the mind is willing the body isn't able anymore, fitzmaurice made a massive mistake not playing the young lads that won us the league last year and they'd all have a full year under their belts now only for his fear.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7836 - 21/12/2017 15:20:50    2065792

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You make some good points there username, I'd say the reason he's being fast tracked to the senior ranks is number 1 to stave off the Aussies and number 2 we need him.
Jod is a one hit wonder and has been living off his player of the year award since 2014 but doesn't seem to have heart or bravery to push on to the next level.
Donaghy is probably too old now to make any real impact anymore.
Mikey geaney and Johnny Buckley are the two most inconsistent players I've ever seen, donnacha Walsh is too old and even though the mind is willing the body isn't able anymore, fitzmaurice made a massive mistake not playing the young lads that won us the league last year and they'd all have a full year under their belts now only for his fear."
I'd agree with a lot of that, especially regarding Fitzmaurice not trusting the younger lads yet. He needs to let go of this fear, and put his belief in them. They won't progress otherwise.
I think you're being a bit harsh on O'Donoghue though. He's had a very injury interrupted spell since 2014, and could get back to his best with a clean run of games.
There's certainly room for Clifford though, as you said.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 352 - 21/12/2017 16:22:57    2065798

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Replying To FOB:  "Clifford can only be termed an up and coming player. He can only be compared like for like. He was an outstanding Minor footballer and possibly one of the best ever. He can't be judged on speculation. He has great talent and he is certainly one to watch and we are yet to see how he handles life in a senior squad. Best of luck to him!"
agree and hope he does continue to have a long fruitful and healthy career. Considering the demands placed on amateur players now all it takes is one serious injury to finish any players carer at the top { hopefully he can remain serious injury free and that goes for all players } but the reality is different. Also no matter about the lure of playing for your county in an all Ireland final the realistic possibility is that the lure of a paid professional career in a warm climate and all that goes with it will outweigh anything achievable at home and only takes the right offer or a frustration with the intercounty scene and he could be gone and not realise his gaelic football potential. Comparing players now to other players is not a realism as there are too many factors involved and circumstances and conditions between those who are being compared are totally different to each other. Like all good players you can only judge them on what they have achieved and speculate and what they can become.
Good luck to all for the new season, and a merry Christmas and a peaceful, prosperous and above all healthy new year.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 338 - 21/12/2017 16:44:25    2065799

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'd agree with a lot of that, especially regarding Fitzmaurice not trusting the younger lads yet. He needs to let go of this fear, and put his belief in them. They won't progress otherwise.
I think you're being a bit harsh on O'Donoghue though. He's had a very injury interrupted spell since 2014, and could get back to his best with a clean run of games.
There's certainly room for Clifford though, as you said."
I don't know bud, when you see a fella pulling out of a 60/40 ball that's in his favor then I think he's lacking commitment to the Kerry cause.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7836 - 21/12/2017 19:38:30    2065806

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will the Cliff be togging sunday lads?

BartMcQueen (Cork) - Posts: 196 - 23/01/2018 15:39:17    2070134

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "will the Cliff be togging sunday lads?"
Il let you know Friday night Bart, but I can tell you that Ciaran Sheehan won't be lining out for cork ;-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7836 - 23/01/2018 16:08:28    2070141

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Il let you know Friday night Bart, but I can tell you that Ciaran Sheehan won't be lining out for cork ;-)"
Would u blame him for staying in oz with kerry going for the 10 in a row in Munster.our lads dont get handy jobs like your crowd :)

BartMcQueen (Cork) - Posts: 196 - 23/01/2018 18:30:36    2070184

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "Would u blame him for staying in oz with kerry going for the 10 in a row in Munster.our lads dont get handy jobs like your crowd :)"
If Ciarán comes home we'll get him a job shooting eagles :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7836 - 23/01/2018 19:54:45    2070205

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Looking forward to seeing Clifford this year, will he have the same impact as O'Callaghan? Should be good!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7060 - 24/01/2018 20:46:24    2070445

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Replying To realdub:  "Looking forward to seeing Clifford this year, will he have the same impact as O'Callaghan? Should be good!"
Ya I'm lucky that I got to see Clifford with his club and district teams and Kerry minors realdub and he's good , he just turned 19 so wheather or not he'll have the impact that o'Callaghan had for yer selves remains to be seen and often in these kinda situations it could be someone that you wouldn't expect that'll become the next super star.
Who would have thought 3 years ago that Fenton would have had the impact he's had for Dublin when we were expecting Costello to be the man or who would have thought that Paul Murphy would have had the impact he's had for us or that jod would have been a one hit wonder.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7836 - 25/01/2018 00:25:34    2070487

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Replying To TheUsername:  "You would have to say best of luck to the young man. From a neutral point of view there is no greater sight in the GAA to see an impressive young talent get an opportunity which i hope he takes in the league.

Most of all i hope his welfare and development is looked after and that patience is offered to him, he has years ahead of him (hopefully) so no need for quick judgments or lofty comparisons, i am sure Kerry GAA will look after him well.

One thing i did wonder, was across the Kerry youth teams that have had success at under 18 level, Cliffards development does seem to be accelerated in terms of opportunity, i wonder what impact that will have on the successful players in the teams that enjoyed success who haven't broken though yet and a younger buck breaking through ahead. Could be positive or negative i suppose depending on your slant, such is competitive sport and a test of Fitzmaurices man management skills"
In fairness Fitzmaurice put Brian O'Beaglaoich straight in as a championship starter from minor a few years back, and he also brought Sean O'Shea in last year straight from minor but didn't use him. Both will likely be starting this year. Fitzmaurice is not afraid to give outstanding players their chance.

From what I have heard the others have not performed well enough in training up to now to command a starting place, and in particular have been outmatched physically when the serious stuff starts. A lot of these lads will be pushing 21-22 this year though, so I'd imagine they'll have developed a bit more and I'd be surprised if we don't see several new faces this year.

@kingdomboy1 that's harsh on JOD he has been absolutely plagued by injury for years and his confidence looks shot as a result. I dont know if we will ever see 2013-14 form from him again but if he could get fully fit and get a run of games he is still one of the best around IMO.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 887 - 25/01/2018 01:03:52    2070489

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "In fairness Fitzmaurice put Brian O'Beaglaoich straight in as a championship starter from minor a few years back, and he also brought Sean O'Shea in last year straight from minor but didn't use him. Both will likely be starting this year. Fitzmaurice is not afraid to give outstanding players their chance.

From what I have heard the others have not performed well enough in training up to now to command a starting place, and in particular have been outmatched physically when the serious stuff starts. A lot of these lads will be pushing 21-22 this year though, so I'd imagine they'll have developed a bit more and I'd be surprised if we don't see several new faces this year.

@kingdomboy1 that's harsh on JOD he has been absolutely plagued by injury for years and his confidence looks shot as a result. I dont know if we will ever see 2013-14 form from him again but if he could get fully fit and get a run of games he is still one of the best around IMO."
Ya Gerry he has had his injuries but so has Moran maher and Paul geaney, he needs to cop on IMO he's 28 now and time is running out for him.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7836 - 25/01/2018 11:49:03    2070550

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya Gerry he has had his injuries but so has Moran maher and Paul geaney, he needs to cop on IMO he's 28 now and time is running out for him."
have to agree with you there KingdomBoy, O' Donoghue needs to give up the cheeky approach and knuckle down this year.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 1996 - 25/01/2018 12:22:33    2070560

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Leave JOD alone, the usual anti-Kerry bias on here! Yawn!

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11509 - 25/01/2018 12:36:55    2070563

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