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Replying To icehonesty: "If we had beaten Laois Carlow would have beaten us. Beaten us handy lad. And no. We are privileged in Wexford to be in a dual county. We don't need to concentrate on just one." maybe have another read.i am not proposing we become a one code county...... perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 11/06/2018 09:52:46 2109749 Link
Replying To hunting: "What ridiculous about it??" Why can we not blame the management. At the start of the season Joey Wadding was cast to one side and not even invited back for a trial. Yet come the first round of the championship when Jim Rossiter got injured we were crying out for a big strong defender and where was Joey sitting in the stand watching the game. We were opened up through the middle of the field by Waterford and by Laois and yet the management had no solution to this. I don't buy into the whole there is not enough players in the county for football. Only 30 players can line out for the hurlers in a given year, what do the rest of the adult players in the county do? Sit on their hands all summer watching!!!!!! I also find it baffling that if we felt we had a weak team etc why was the focus not put on winning an under 20 championship in the province and leave those players with the Under 20 team for the year with a young positive management group who seem to be getting a good reaction from them. Eoin Porter, Barry O'Connor, Martin O'Connor are serious losses to that side now, not the managements fault but the county board could have pushed for this. In the Laois game Alan Nolan and Barry O'Gorman were introduced, why not introduce them against Waterford and save the O'Connor pair for the huge U-20 test v Dublin? Our U-17 football team and to a smaller extent U-17 hurling team are off the pace this year and that shows its possibly a weak group at that age, and its also an indication of what has been happening at underage levels in the county is,was and has been no where near good enough. Time for football people to get their sleeves rolled up and working hard for football, hurling people have woken up to the mess the game was in over the past five years and have tried to improve things, FOOTBALL people need to do the same. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 11/06/2018 10:24:00 2109770 Link
it was an awful game. Didnt show half the workrate we did in the (albeit first half mainly) game against Laois. Our distribution was poor. Our tackling was non existent. Being pulled out of position so badly and through simple club based tactics. On here, for the most part, I defended McLoughlin or at least was giving him time to settle in, but I'm highly doubtful. He'll have a year in Division 4, but badly need to see improvements. Very little to take out of this season. A few new players integrated, notably Glen Malone, James Stafford, and then a couple of mid ranging players standing up a bit more and looking to be the future leaders, John Tubritt and Eoghan Nolan. Bar those, not much to take from the year. Our play was slow and ponderous, we looked terribly unfit. Talk of getting rid of McLoughlin is too quick though. Who are we going to replace him with? Last year we had barely any interest. One club put forward a nomination, that being the utter spoofer Jack Sheedy. And then you have Conor Counihan who was interested for a while but barely knew where Wexford was nevermind who played for them. He knew well enough how much the mileage would be though I'd say. Stephen Wallace was a name mentioned last year, not so much this time around because Offaly got in their quick. And look how that ended up. I would say, that Joe Fagan would be a man that seriously interests me. Has a great reputation and did well with Gusserane and obviously Starlights. Their co final run last year came in the middle of nominations, so I dont know if that was a factor in either him not being interested or the Co board not approaching, but its certainly an option. Anyway, year over, and the 20's will be out soon too as there is no way I can see them overturning Dublin or Longford doing us a favour. Between the minor, 20s and senior, football this year has been really down in Wexford. james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 602 - 11/06/2018 15:01:21 2109988 Link
Replying To james2011: "it was an awful game. Didnt show half the workrate we did in the (albeit first half mainly) game against Laois. Our distribution was poor. Our tackling was non existent. Being pulled out of position so badly and through simple club based tactics. On here, for the most part, I defended McLoughlin or at least was giving him time to settle in, but I'm highly doubtful. He'll have a year in Division 4, but badly need to see improvements. Very little to take out of this season. A few new players integrated, notably Glen Malone, James Stafford, and then a couple of mid ranging players standing up a bit more and looking to be the future leaders, John Tubritt and Eoghan Nolan. Bar those, not much to take from the year. Our play was slow and ponderous, we looked terribly unfit. Talk of getting rid of McLoughlin is too quick though. Who are we going to replace him with? Last year we had barely any interest. One club put forward a nomination, that being the utter spoofer Jack Sheedy. And then you have Conor Counihan who was interested for a while but barely knew where Wexford was nevermind who played for them. He knew well enough how much the mileage would be though I'd say. Stephen Wallace was a name mentioned last year, not so much this time around because Offaly got in their quick. And look how that ended up. I would say, that Joe Fagan would be a man that seriously interests me. Has a great reputation and did well with Gusserane and obviously Starlights. Their co final run last year came in the middle of nominations, so I dont know if that was a factor in either him not being interested or the Co board not approaching, but its certainly an option. Anyway, year over, and the 20's will be out soon too as there is no way I can see them overturning Dublin or Longford doing us a favour. Between the minor, 20s and senior, football this year has been really down in Wexford." They can't give another year of the same. I really hope they'll revisit the manager position. We are in Division 4 now. All that will happen if we keep things the same is we will get a few wins because Leitrim and Limerick and the likes are at such a low ebb, and people will think we are improving. And then we will be stuck for another year. Get a new man in and start properly with some vision for the next 5 years. I would like to see a local. We need our own Turlough O'Brien. I wouldn't mind an outsider either, just not someone who is in it for the cash and will bail out after a year with half the panel soured. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 11/06/2018 20:42:25 2110221 Link
Well we have hit rock bottom in the football rankings, don't think we were ever this low. Not taking away from Waterfords win, they tore us a new one at times. Club football is gone so poor. 2 years ago watching the county final between Gusserane and Glynn was one of the poorest games ever, looked like a junior game but this game showed how poor the game in Wexford has become. Reality is we have a few decent footballers, Tubritt, Malone and Waters, the quality is not there. We holding onto players far too long, likes of Brosnan who hasn't had a decent game in 5 years for Wexford and is under pressure getting his position on the Castletown team.we need to start at scratch again, Schools, underage and quality coaching. As reported above Maybe we are not capable in having a decent dual county. Do we have the funds to put more full time quality coaches? How can we compete with the Dublins etc where there is over 40 full time coaches in their system. Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 169 - 11/06/2018 22:37:33 2110296 Link
Replying To icehonesty: "They can't give another year of the same. I really hope they'll revisit the manager position. We are in Division 4 now. All that will happen if we keep things the same is we will get a few wins because Leitrim and Limerick and the likes are at such a low ebb, and people will think we are improving. And then we will be stuck for another year. Get a new man in and start properly with some vision for the next 5 years. I would like to see a local. We need our own Turlough O'Brien. I wouldn't mind an outsider either, just not someone who is in it for the cash and will bail out after a year with half the panel soured." who though?we tried david power and banty. lets face it,an outside man is a shot in the dark. i would love to see money and effort pumped into underage coaching,training coaches to the top level,f it paying the next man on the gravy train is just throwing good money after bad. get coaches working at underage,just as the hurling did,suck it up for a few years,and hope that effort pays off. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 11/06/2018 22:54:09 2110312 Link
we've relied on St. Peters Good Counsel and even schools like Ramsgrange CS for long, we need to improve our coaching in both football and hurling, how we go about doing that is the big question GAA clubs for the first time in my life are under threat, getting harder and harder to field minor teams whilst the u20 championship has been an absolute shambles thus far..the rot needs to be stopped now comc (Wexford) - Posts: 108 - 12/06/2018 08:57:46 2110373 Link
Stick with Paul McLoughlin. The man has been living and working in Wexford for over 15 years and has always been involved in football in that time. I've been very impressed with his approach, professionalism and he is a very knowledgeable man. He was man enough to put himself forward in the belief that he can take this group of lads forward. Div 3 was very competitive, but we didn't disgrace ourselves and suffered none of the hammerings that we suffered under Banty last year. Yes it's been a difficult season,but he's working with a lot of young, inexperienced but very talented players. He needs time. Look at the players who have retired over the last 5 or 6 years. You don't replace players like that in 1 or 2 seasons. Some of the experienced players are there to bring on the younger players but it won't happen overnight. Unfortunately we live in an era that demands instant results and success. Perhaps in Wexford we need to lower our expectations for a while after the heights we hit over the last 12-15 years or so. Division 4 is the perfect place to build from. No reason why we shouldn't get promoted next year and build a little momentum and confidence and push on from there. Remember the old saying 'The lift to success is broken, please use the stairs'. Sliotharyslope (Wexford) - Posts: 136 - 12/06/2018 09:14:11 2110380 Link
Replying To Tox73: "Well we have hit rock bottom in the football rankings, don't think we were ever this low. Not taking away from Waterfords win, they tore us a new one at times. Club football is gone so poor. 2 years ago watching the county final between Gusserane and Glynn was one of the poorest games ever, looked like a junior game but this game showed how poor the game in Wexford has become. Reality is we have a few decent footballers, Tubritt, Malone and Waters, the quality is not there. We holding onto players far too long, likes of Brosnan who hasn't had a decent game in 5 years for Wexford and is under pressure getting his position on the Castletown team.we need to start at scratch again, Schools, underage and quality coaching. As reported above Maybe we are not capable in having a decent dual county. Do we have the funds to put more full time quality coaches? How can we compete with the Dublins etc where there is over 40 full time coaches in their system." i think we are able to do better. we can not compete with dublin,nobody can.but every team is only 25. but what we can do is better than we are doing. i was talking to a prominent football man in the county yesterday,legend would be a step too much,but a wexford great.he said the only way we can do better,in both hurling and football,is to have a certain number of clubs specialise in both codes. he didnt feel that the work is going in to the clubs,including his own club,in football that has gone in to hurling,and he said that is being seen at every level for wexford.he wasnt laying the blame at the co.board,he was laying it at the clubs. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/06/2018 09:24:27 2110387 Link
Replying To Sliotharyslope: "Stick with Paul McLoughlin. The man has been living and working in Wexford for over 15 years and has always been involved in football in that time. I've been very impressed with his approach, professionalism and he is a very knowledgeable man. He was man enough to put himself forward in the belief that he can take this group of lads forward. Div 3 was very competitive, but we didn't disgrace ourselves and suffered none of the hammerings that we suffered under Banty last year. Yes it's been a difficult season,but he's working with a lot of young, inexperienced but very talented players. He needs time. Look at the players who have retired over the last 5 or 6 years. You don't replace players like that in 1 or 2 seasons. Some of the experienced players are there to bring on the younger players but it won't happen overnight. Unfortunately we live in an era that demands instant results and success. Perhaps in Wexford we need to lower our expectations for a while after the heights we hit over the last 12-15 years or so. Division 4 is the perfect place to build from. No reason why we shouldn't get promoted next year and build a little momentum and confidence and push on from there. Remember the old saying 'The lift to success is broken, please use the stairs'." Sliotharyslope you're way off. I was not a fan of Banty, but he got us promoted from division 4. Our championship was a couple of points loss to Carlow, beat Limerick and then got hammered by Monaghan. Not a disgrace by any means in my opinion. This year we have lost every single match apart from beating Armagh's B team (which probably is their C team considering the number of players who won't play for them). Time given to the wrong manager is not just time wasted but sends us in the opposite direction. I'm sorry, I can't agree. And the sentence "I've been very impressed with his approach, professionalism and he is a very knowledgeable man"... I can't agree with that at all and I don't think too many on here agree either. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 12/06/2018 11:39:26 2110461 Link
Replying To icehonesty: "Sliotharyslope you're way off. I was not a fan of Banty, but he got us promoted from division 4. Our championship was a couple of points loss to Carlow, beat Limerick and then got hammered by Monaghan. Not a disgrace by any means in my opinion. This year we have lost every single match apart from beating Armagh's B team (which probably is their C team considering the number of players who won't play for them). Time given to the wrong manager is not just time wasted but sends us in the opposite direction. I'm sorry, I can't agree. And the sentence "I've been very impressed with his approach, professionalism and he is a very knowledgeable man"... I can't agree with that at all and I don't think too many on here agree either." Agreed, the current manager has no record of success of any kind at club level and his time over the minors was far from impressive also. the back room team he has also has next to no experience at intercounty level. Please explain the professionalism you see. Paul is a gentleman but thats not enough I am afraid. For me the time is now to end this chapter and start again and there is one man I would pick to lead this and thats Joe Hagan. And with him I would gather a number of the 2008 crew to inspire the next generation. I will repeat Wexford is big enough to have a good hurling team and a good football team the only things holding us back is the lack of belief and the proper structures to support both codes. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 12/06/2018 13:01:39 2110497 Link
"For me the time is now to end this chapter and start again and there is one man I would pick to lead this and thats Joe Hagan. And with him I would gather a number of the 2008 crew to inspire the next generation. " 100%,a la liam dunne,find a man involved locally,with passion,and pump money into coaching,underage,etc for 5-6 years.see if we can improve and target maybe a minor leinster title in that timeframe.build on that. rome wasnt built in a day,but it also wasnt built with no foundations perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/06/2018 14:38:58 2110545 Link
Replying To perfect10: ""For me the time is now to end this chapter and start again and there is one man I would pick to lead this and thats Joe Hagan. And with him I would gather a number of the 2008 crew to inspire the next generation. " 100%,a la liam dunne,find a man involved locally,with passion,and pump money into coaching,underage,etc for 5-6 years.see if we can improve and target maybe a minor leinster title in that timeframe.build on that. rome wasnt built in a day,but it also wasnt built with no foundations" By all accounts Anthony Masterson is doing well in his position of football development officer. The big question is do we, as a county, have the patience for a multi- year coaching plan ? We know what needs to be done but when it comes around to competitive action again people will expect results. I, for 1, would like to see Paul McLoughlin stay but with more (experienced) assistance. For example, Turlough O Brien is getting great credit for the Carlow "rising" but he brought in a good coach & back-room crew to assist. I do feel that we have some very good, young, players who were thrown in at the deep end this year. We were within seconds of beating Laois, who are now preparing for the Leinster final. Our lads put a lot of mental & physical energy into that game, it was always going to be hard to lift it again, especially without Daithi and J Rossiter. yelowbelly (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 12/06/2018 15:39:22 2110578 Link
well the choices are simple,either accept a multi year plan or continue with a circle of disappointment year on year,i know what one i favour. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/06/2018 18:29:46 2110671 Link
Replying To hurlorhurley: "30 players can play hurling at senior level in a year? Have we only 60 or 70 adult gaa players in the county or am I missing something here? Blaming hurling won't cure football and blaming football won't cure hurling either" We dont have the funds or the amount of coaches required to keep both codes at a high level. Yeah we have the numbers who can wear the jersey for both codes but that doesn't mean that they will be any good. Its very difficult for a counties with restrictions like we do to be able to produce a bunch of Con O'Callaghan's, players who are exceptional at both codes. Our strongest asset is hurling and we cant water it down by attempting to keep alive an almost dead game in the county. Nobody is attending county football games or have any interest in the team outside of the hardcore football fans. Since the four in a row side a century ago, realistically we've produced very little in football. I want to see my county lift an All-Ireland. I honestly don't mind in which code but we will forever be average if we continue with this dual county nonsense. Its happening all over Ireland not just our neighbors Kilkenny but in the North where hurling is dead and in the majority of Leinster counties. If we can get a group of talented kids and teach them one code and not spread them 50/50 between both, they will master that code and thus increase our chances in winning an All-Ireland. Kilkenny and Kerry have been the most successful counties in their preferred codes because they maximize what they have and don't stretch their resources. Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 16/06/2018 17:59:09 2112160 Link
@Finchfurlong ... just move to Kilkenny lad. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 16/06/2018 19:15:58 2112166 Link
Replying To icehonesty: "@Finchfurlong ... just move to Kilkenny lad." Why would anybody do that!! Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 16/06/2018 20:50:47 2112178 Link
Replying To Finchfurlong996: "We dont have the funds or the amount of coaches required to keep both codes at a high level. Yeah we have the numbers who can wear the jersey for both codes but that doesn't mean that they will be any good. Its very difficult for a counties with restrictions like we do to be able to produce a bunch of Con O'Callaghan's, players who are exceptional at both codes. Our strongest asset is hurling and we cant water it down by attempting to keep alive an almost dead game in the county. Nobody is attending county football games or have any interest in the team outside of the hardcore football fans. Since the four in a row side a century ago, realistically we've produced very little in football. I want to see my county lift an All-Ireland. I honestly don't mind in which code but we will forever be average if we continue with this dual county nonsense. Its happening all over Ireland not just our neighbors Kilkenny but in the North where hurling is dead and in the majority of Leinster counties. If we can get a group of talented kids and teach them one code and not spread them 50/50 between both, they will master that code and thus increase our chances in winning an All-Ireland. Kilkenny and Kerry have been the most successful counties in their preferred codes because they maximize what they have and don't stretch their resources." Kerry hurlers are a decent team, we should be happy to have decent hurling and football teams, ok our footballers are at a low ebb, but These things come in cycles, how good is it to be a Galway man these days? dumptruck1 (Wexford) - Posts: 206 - 17/06/2018 07:51:29 2112218 Link
Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Why would anybody do that!!" cause we have enough clowns here your only adding to the number, another one of wexfords hurling isis,, who wants to see us football people wiped out, done away with , u arre no gaa man, your a bully Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2844 - 17/06/2018 10:12:29 2112224 Link
Replying To Stmunnsriver: "cause we have enough clowns here your only adding to the number, another one of wexfords hurling isis,, who wants to see us football people wiped out, done away with , u arre no gaa man, your a bully" You are hardly a gaa man either, you just refered to yourself as a football man!! It must be terrible to constantly feel like a victim!! hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 17/06/2018 12:38:45 2112237 Link