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Wicklow club forced to play 2 games in 24hrs

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Alano
Completely wrong I play club football and the current way of holding up an entire competition for thirty players shows a complete lack of consideration for the other 99% of players in the competition.
why should they get special treatment as in many cases games are played regardless of non inter county players availability be that work commitments, family commitments or holidays booked at the start of the year working off the masters fixture list issues to all clubs.
the fact of the matter is inter county players are playing football and hurling championships throughout the summer so they are catered for its the club players who are denied that chance to facilitate them. We wouldn't have scenarios like this in Wicklow if county boards ran competitions as per dates off a master's fixture list that is fair for all club players not just 1% of them.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/09/2017 09:31:57    2051587

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Replying To Wicklowman:  "PoolSturgeon - nice old sweeping statement there good lad!

What happened specifically to Eire Og should not have happened! But it has happened to Wicklow County Hurling Champions several times in Leinster club action. Carnew won the county final on a Sunday and played Castletown from Laois on the Bank Holiday Monday, the next day!

Specifically responding to your derogatory comments about Wicklow in general, you should be aware of the great work going on in the development of the game of hurling in North Wicklow particularly. In 1997 Hurling barely existed in Bray or Greystones. Now we have 2 strong senior clubs able to match and beat Glenealy and Carnew, the 2 traditional champions of the county.

These two towns are among the fastest growing Hurling areas in this country! Wicklow won the U21B hurling championship in 2015 and lost the 2017 final to Kerry by 4 points. If you went back 10 years we couldn't field teams in minor Hurling. This is a positive GAA story, but don't let those facts get in the way of your fossilised opinion "that Wicklow is a GAA wasteland." I await your response."
Glenealy, carnew and in particular kiltegan have got weaker at hurling in last 10 years....thats more of a reason bray and greystones are competitive....I remember actually when kiltegan were always hard bet in leinster, I think wicklow hurling is not getting any stronger

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 306 - 29/09/2017 09:58:52    2051594

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Funny, your post implies that it doesn't happen in rugby or soccer!"
Quite the opposite. .

My post says it like it is.
Rugby players are eligible to play for their clubs in the AIL but are requested not to by their province and the IRFU. Soccer players under 23 are eligible for their clubs u23 games but if they play for the first team they don't play u23 (Or u21 etc).

Same as GAA.

The difference? Simple. They don't complain.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 2941 - 29/09/2017 10:40:09    2051611

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "????????"
You seem to think that just because other sports play two games in 24 hours it's perfectly fine for them.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4702 - 29/09/2017 10:44:08    2051612

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Replying To gotmilk:  "You seem to think that just because other sports play two games in 24 hours it's perfectly fine for them."
I never said it's perfectly fine I said it does happen in the other sports he mentioned, where he stated it doesnt happen,it's not the same team playing that is another important fact you missed one is hurling and one is football.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/09/2017 11:13:29    2051623

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Replying To preddan:  "Glenealy, carnew and in particular kiltegan have got weaker at hurling in last 10 years....thats more of a reason bray and greystones are competitive....I remember actually when kiltegan were always hard bet in leinster, I think wicklow hurling is not getting any stronger"
Bray Emmets were beaten by Celbridge by two points in the Leinster IHC last year, who were then beaten by Carrickshock by two points in the final. Our teams are competitive in Leinster as they always were, just new clubs are doing it now.

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 54 - 30/09/2017 21:11:25    2052018

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Alano
Completely wrong I play club football and the current way of holding up an entire competition for thirty players shows a complete lack of consideration for the other 99% of players in the competition.
why should they get special treatment as in many cases games are played regardless of non inter county players availability be that work commitments, family commitments or holidays booked at the start of the year working off the masters fixture list issues to all clubs.
the fact of the matter is inter county players are playing football and hurling championships throughout the summer so they are catered for its the club players who are denied that chance to facilitate them. We wouldn't have scenarios like this in Wicklow if county boards ran competitions as per dates off a master's fixture list that is fair for all club players not just 1% of them."
only in counties such as us are our county players playing all summer..the likes of wicklow are eliminated in july every year generally speaking so they have more than enough time to get the games played

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2062 - 30/09/2017 22:04:34    2052033

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Quite the opposite. .

My post says it like it is.
Rugby players are eligible to play for their clubs in the AIL but are requested not to by their province and the IRFU. Soccer players under 23 are eligible for their clubs u23 games but if they play for the first team they don't play u23 (Or u21 etc).

Same as GAA.

The difference? Simple. They don't complain."
That's an embarrassingly ridiculous comparison. Provincial rugby players only have to play with their clubs if they have fallen so far down the pecking order that they aren't in the running for the province, or if they have been out injured and require more game time. They will never, ever be asked to play a club and provincial game in the one weekend, it's one or the other.

Same with U23 soccer. There are no instances of a player playing for both teams in 2 days, to suggest it happens is an insulting lie.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1116 - 01/10/2017 04:46:16    2052063

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Preddan, your time isn't great, Wicklow beat Kildare in U21, we beat Kildare in the Christy Ring and Glenealy have just reclaimed the County title. Carnew and Kiltegan are certainly weaker. Between 1987 and 2007, Kiltegan contested 11 finals and won 8. West Wicklow is weak hurling-wise, but would do a disservice to the great work being done in North Wicklow. Put it this way I'm 39 now. I never played Bray or Greystones in club hurling, in fact many of them played for my club because there was no good club up there way. Hurling is flying in both towns. It's great to see.

Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 995 - 02/10/2017 19:58:38    2052546

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Wicklowman is 100% in his assessment of the Hurling work being carried out in Bray & Greystones. There is also trojan work going on in other clubs in terms of facilities & coaching. Arklow have made good strides in recent years and have opened new a clubhouse and after winning the intermediate football championship last year, got to the senior quarter final this year. 5/6 years ago Hurling was extinct in St Patricks Wicklow Town, but now they are fielding 3 adult teams. This year they threw away the senior semi-final (lost 7 point lead in last 5 mins) , won the junior C last week and are in the Inter semi-final this week. Glenealy have been the standard bearers for years and field 3 adult teams, remember this is a village of just one shop & one pub. Laragh won a first football championship in 27 years last weekend when winning the JAFC and that meant as much to those people as any all-Ireland would in Mayo. We are far from a GAA wasteland in Wicklow. Back to the point of the topic though, it should be noted that all of this work is going on despite of the county board rather than due to their input. The majority of the problems we have in the county stem from an absence of leadership and ability to administer to the level required in modern day GAA. A previous poster in this thread made the point of bad PR related to Wicklow GAA and this is just one of a multitude of deficiencies we have at board level. The decision to make Eire Og play two matches in 24 hours is just another sorry episode in a long list of strokes we see in Wicklow on a yearly basis. Unfortunately for Eire Og they see themselves outside the cohort of dominant clubs in the county who set the agenda. Anyone inside the county familiar with how things work could list you 4/5 clubs who would never have been put into the position that Eire Og were due to their influence within the county board.

Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 58 - 03/10/2017 11:06:05    2052647

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