this guy kimmage only seems to pop up in the news to speak negative about any sport be it gaa soccer, rugby cycling.
i dont think i have heard him ever do an article or interview that was not whinging.
i dont even know if he played sport himself or what i just see kimmage complains again after any big event.
he obviously doesnt understand a winning mentality, seems hes annoyed that when gavin was asked about mayo loosing a whole 20 minutes or so after his own team won,hes annoyed that gavin reefrenced loosing the league final to show he knows what its like standing out there after a defeat.
the guy must not be very intelligent if he cannot see that maybe thats what makes gavin so successful that loosing a league final to people like him might be nothing as hes probably a guy who only looks at gaa in august and september but gavin manages dublin all year round and was going for 5 in a row of national league titles and it was his first time not to win the national league title since he took over dublin, so loosing that day was something he used throughout the championship more than likely as fuel to drive the players and himself on.
who is he to demean the national league or who is he to suggest jim gavin doesnt celebrate winning.
people celebrate in different ways, i dont drink so to him he must think i didnt celebrate the all ireland this year because i didnt get smashed,people can celebrate in different ways and not have to jump around the field like a madman, maybe the satisfaction of winning means more to gavin than anybody else maybe he enjoys the moments during the games, maybe he enjoys the moments as a team in the dressing room together, maybe he enjoys celebrating with his family, just because he doesnt give mr kimmage all he wants to see and here gives him no right to try and degrade a persons charachter. narrow minded person is what mr kimmage is portraying himself as.
wheres as jim gavin will continue to enjoy the three in a row in his own way.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/09/2017 15:33:30    2050368

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 25/09/2017 15:43:58    2050373

I'm not from Dublin, I have no particular love for the Dubs, but I have to say that I thought Kimmage was an embarrassment. I didn't really understand what he was saying? Managers being hostile to the media. So? It makes sense to be hostile to an organisation that takes things players say out of context for headlines.
An industry that over dramatises the most minor issues for clickbait. The latest was Costello throwing a kicking tee away, with headlines like, Could Costello be suspended for this?' Watch the video. The answer is no. He couldn't. The keeper isn't allowed to leave the kicking tee on the field.

So when Gavin gives them nothing, crass journalism tries to vilify a man and a team. If the players drag opponents to the ground, yes it's not good, but it's up to the officials to officiate on that.

Jim Gavin isn't getting paid, he is a volunteer, he isn't earning big bucks from endorsements etc etc. The only person who makes money here is Paul Kimmage because the louder he can bang his drum the more column inches he might get.

He's a disgrace.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 25/09/2017 16:13:58    2050389

To be honest I listened to Kimmages piece on podcast and it's much ado about nothing in reality.

It's obvious that Gavin has little time for the press or the media in general so what's the point in whinging about it, it is what it is. If that's how Gavin wants to deal with then that's his prerogative. When kimmage started backtracking a bit and got into the bones of the issue though the conversation was much better.

I remember listening to Parkinson interviewing Connolly on podcast earlier in the year and I thoroughly enjoyed it I have to say but then following the game last Sunday 4 dublin players had agreed to interview with Parkinson only to be then told that they weren't allowed. Why not? Id love to hear from a few more of them, hear what makes them tick, get a bit of an insight into what drives them. Connolly interview revealed a little bit more about him that made him a lot more likeable, what harm for the rest of them to do the same.

I mean lest be honest how much more enjoyable would the Sunday game have been if Jack Mc Caffrey had been sitting up there instead of Cluxton?

I know there's an element that Gavin and a few others feel like that Dublin left all Ireland's behind them in the past etc because they were too much in the media etc but that's bull in my opinion, there's a difference in that carry on that went before and lads opening up a bit about the game and what drives them.

There's a probably a happy middle ground there somewhere.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 25/09/2017 16:36:17    2050399

Im sick of this Jim does what it takes to win nonsense. Micheal donoghue proved this year in a more competitive sport that you can be a gentleman and still win. Mick o dwyer proved that too. And he has 8. The act that jim plays is boring . In a professional sport fine. But in GAA its embarrassing and the antithesis of what the GAA represents

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 765 - 25/09/2017 16:44:15    2050404

Some strange attacks on gaa In dublin in the last while by non gaa people quite odd..3 dubs also..do find the replies the likes of Parkinson and McKenna are getting to be a bit of an embarrassment to be honest though..we are enjoying our most successful period ever some lads need to chill

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/09/2017 17:50:01    2050432

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/09/2017 17:53:39    2050434

Just listened to that podcast again. It really is worth listening to if you haven't heard it. Kimmage's rant seems utterly disproportionate. It's like someone had personally offended him.
I'd like to ask him what gives him the right to judge someone and try to portray them as 'classless' because of a perceived lack of empathy.
He's a sports journalist for God's sake, not the thought police. Gavin's behaviour has always been impeccable: he's polite, retiring and gracious in defeat and victory. He doesn't do pitch invasions, nor does he square up to other managers or abuse of referees and linesmen.
Is this the best that he can come up with?

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 25/09/2017 19:41:40    2050456

Am I right in saying that there was a similar type outburst against Gavin on OffTheBall this time last year.

I listened back to yesterday's show earlier and it felt orchestrated between Kimmage, Cunningham and Molloy. It was at that point I got a sense of deja vu of hearing something similar last year.

I am not saying it was Kimmage 12 months ago but does anyone else remember this?

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 25/09/2017 19:42:54    2050457

Maybe the Dublin team dont give much time to the media but they certainly give their time to GAA clubs, GAA members and fans which counts for a whole lot more. Kimmage wants performing monkeys for him and croonies to critique, build up and tear down when suits them. Dublin players af Gavin arent interested. They are giving back in person - Sam must have already been in half the clubs in Dublin already. Reminds me of Brollys awful personal attack on Cavanagh - very immature and quite sad

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 25/09/2017 19:44:32    2050458

Gavin plays it hard, and deliberately it seems, does not present publicly as an attractive individual, as he comes across soulless in the media, Cluxton the same. This is not the real issue though. There has been thuggery to some extent in GAA forever but I believe that it is decreasing as such. But it is being replaced by what I see as worse. The sneaky, cynical, soulless, win at all costs , total disrespect for rules and the other team, way the game of football is now being played is the issue. In addition there is little or no sportsmanship left as the highest levels (it is closely tied in with this soulless cynicism of win at all costs). Football is a game and as such has rules to define it and make it function/work but to really make any game work well and be attractive in a good-hearted society a reasonable level of sportsmanship is also essential (or most parents, I believe mostly mothers, will not let children take part in what becomes a war where the lack of sportsmanship and empathy/common feeling for the other team as people and thus respect for rules and opposition as individuals (or in other words the true spirit of the game) means this is just an exercise is crude warfare (dystopian is the in word!) and a game with no joy and no happiness or positive sharing. We surely wants a positive happy GAA and membership in the community together. Surely we want a positive happy strong, physically tough but essentially fair rivalry we can all be proud of and gain from. There will always be rivalry which gets out of hand but if GAA does not enforce the rules and base their work on developing and maintaining an underlying positive philosophy on which GAA must be based it will die in the long run. Gavin in his behaviour in public and the cynical win at any cost actions of his team at the end in particular of the final this year stand, in real terms, for nothingness and emptiness (nihilism) and long term vicious slow death for GAA as an organization. The answer is enforce the rules fairly and even handedly at all levels (stop turning a blind eye and twisting and squirming about discipline pushed by media that love viscous controversy) and inculcate/ensure an atmosphere of sportsmanship, respect, sharing and joyous common purpose to keep GAA as what it should be; one of the most positive encouraging body's in Ireland.

To stay relevant and worthy of Ireland stop the vicious heartless win at all cost soulless attitudes now in the GAA or fade into the morass of destructive gang war not a game any more just a media driven pseudo-sporting Mafia.

cjx (Tyrone) - Posts: 270 - 25/09/2017 20:23:24    2050468

I heard it on live, I think Kimmage has a point, Gavin seems a bit odd to me, I mean he doesn't show any emotion, if the sound was turned down on his post match press meet you'd think Dublin had lost the match.
I think they made some good points too re DC, Gavin would have liked to have won it leaving DC on the bench,but that wasn't going to happen, Gavin has been very successful in management, then again look at the selection of players he has, it would be hard to go very far wrong with all that talent to pick from.
I'm a big fan of this Dublin team, they are great to watch, maybe behind the scenes Gavin is different, his interaction with the media just seems a bit odd and unnecessary to me.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 25/09/2017 20:45:31    2050475

I know the general consensus is Gavin is there to manage, and he does that excellently.

From Kimmage's point of view a journalist that doesn't offer opinion won't stay in work for long! Even if the opinion is BS and perhaps the man himself knows it but he has to have a 'take' on things.

As the old saying goes 'paper never refused ink'. The Dunphys and Brollys also keep themselves relevant by looking at things from a different angle. And as has been proven recently in the George Hook case being the 'straight talking' and 'controversial' pundit can be a dangerous business.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 25/09/2017 21:02:59    2050479

Saw a video on social media of JG speaking at Round Towers yesterday - genuine and personable amongst "Real People" - much more important than humouring the fourth estate

Sign of the times I guess - the more prevelant social medics becomes as being a medium for " news" the more outlandish journos feel they need to be

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 25/09/2017 21:45:34    2050494

Well when results aint going your way people have a go!

Now, when your results are kick ass there's people having a go!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 25/09/2017 22:09:45    2050499

Dublin are a great team. Play to the limit of the rules and that's exactly the way they should be that's what all winning teams do.

The Dublin players acknowledged that they were in a real battle and that's all you'd look for that they show a bit of respect to the Mayo players which they did.

There's a bit too much moaning going on about Dublins advantages.If Mayo can contend there's about half a dozen other counties that should be able to be competitive some serious looking in the mirror needs to be done. Also, Mayo need to eliminate the mental blunders from the sideline and on the pitch over the last 20 years if there ever going to get over the line.

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 25/09/2017 22:31:54    2050505

Kimmage certainly went off on a rant. Like some of the previous posters I was listening at the time and he did go off on one. I must admit, when I know Kimmage is lined up for the OTB Sunday Paper Review then I will try to listen as he normally batters (in the verbal sense) Joe Molloy, who usually presents the show on Sunday. Molloy's smarm tends to wind Kimmage up, but he usually comes out on top. Molloy wound him up again on Sunday, Kimmage went off on one and Molloy just kept stoking the fire. One-nil Molloy. I was surprised that Kimmage went off in the manner that he did. He is highly principaled, and boy, did he pay for it when he first exposed the drug culture in cycling. He is truculent at the best of times but I do think he went overboard on a nonsense topic last Sunday. If anybody listens to the podcast of Sunday's rant listen to Molloy as well as Kimmage. Molloy was deliberately winding him up to get that reaction. He will always take the contrary view to Kimmage precisely to goad him into action. It's a recurring theme between them. Molloy knows that Kimmage has a short fuse and he seems to know how to push the right buttons. A previous poster mentioned that 'It's like someone had personally offended him.' Well, look no further than the king of smarm - Joe Molloy! But it is noticeable that a number of journalists are making those statements. Vincent Hogan and Kieran Shannon both said more or less the same thing on Saturday, also on Newstalk, but in a less emotive manner. Clearly it has touched a raw nerve with various elements in the media.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 25/09/2017 22:51:51    2050513

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 765 - 25/09/2017 23:40:11    2050529

Jim gavin is the father stone of the GAA world.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/09/2017 01:41:32    2050533

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 26/09/2017 08:43:36    2050541