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Replying To cjx: "Mayo have the worm in their brain Dublin had 10-15 years ago and must get rid of it the same way. This Mayo team can't. Perhaps a change of manager would actually help with better handling of young players coming through into senior ranks." This Mayo team are light years ahead of the Dublin team of the 00s. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 20/09/2017 19:02:25 2048711 Link
Mayo's biggest problem and this goes back to the mid 1990s, we don't have a massive amount of scoring forwards, in club football a lot of our forwards aren't up to county standard and why is that? Well when Daddy is the manager and his sons have to get their names on the scoreboard and on the local newspaper that doesn't help especially when they couldn't kick a cow up the arse if they were standing behind her, a lot of club players love playing in the defence because that is where you can get stuck in and tackle hard, that is why we have some of the best defenders in the country. Why didn't Mayo get over the line on Sunday? 2 reasons, not enough scoring forwards, the 2nd stupidity and just bad luck, Mayo won a scorable free after John Small's 2nd yellow when Vaughan had a rush of blood to the head and came clattering in and deservedly got a straight red then the ref gave a hop ball which Dublin won and moved up the field, that was a certain Mayo point and 15 v 14 for the last 25 mins, instead no free and lost a player, O'Connor missing an easy free in 1st half Keegan's soft point attempt in 1st half dropped short, we should have been more ahead at halftime, mentally Mayo are as equal as Dublin, physically the same, if we could find scoring forwards we will win Sam eventually riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 20/09/2017 22:53:06 2048825 Link
Not true. Maybe not arrogant enough and not cynical enough, but those are hardly flaws. You might have said that Mayo had a bad attitude in e.g., 2004, but this current team fight to the bitter end, every time. As Jim McGuinness said, they maybe a bit too hot-headed and maybe lack a bit of experience at closing out games, but that's about it. Dublin put on a master-class in closing out a game. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 21/09/2017 00:06:17 2048842 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Mayo's biggest problem and this goes back to the mid 1990s, we don't have a massive amount of scoring forwards, in club football a lot of our forwards aren't up to county standard and why is that? Well when Daddy is the manager and his sons have to get their names on the scoreboard and on the local newspaper that doesn't help especially when they couldn't kick a cow up the arse if they were standing behind her, a lot of club players love playing in the defence because that is where you can get stuck in and tackle hard, that is why we have some of the best defenders in the country. Why didn't Mayo get over the line on Sunday? 2 reasons, not enough scoring forwards, the 2nd stupidity and just bad luck, Mayo won a scorable free after John Small's 2nd yellow when Vaughan had a rush of blood to the head and came clattering in and deservedly got a straight red then the ref gave a hop ball which Dublin won and moved up the field, that was a certain Mayo point and 15 v 14 for the last 25 mins, instead no free and lost a player, O'Connor missing an easy free in 1st half Keegan's soft point attempt in 1st half dropped short, we should have been more ahead at halftime, mentally Mayo are as equal as Dublin, physically the same, if we could find scoring forwards we will win Sam eventually" No Riverboy mentally you are not the same, Cillian O'Connor choked and Rock didn't, even though he had missiles thrown at him that was the difference. Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 21/09/2017 09:54:54 2048889 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "100% correct. Apart from 1996, they have always been underdogs in any final they've played in. In 2013, 16 and on Sunday they beat the bookies spread." I completely agree with your general point but in reality Mayo were underdogs in all 9 finals they have reached. in 1996 Mayo were much underdogs and Meath were warm favourites with the bookies. In 1996 after beating Dublin (1995 champions) and then easily beating Tyrone (1995 runners up) Meath were hot favourites going into that final. After the drawn final people said Mayo had missed their chance and Meath were again warm favourites for the replay. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 21/09/2017 10:30:08 2048911 Link
Mayo were actually underdogs in 96 but no doubt they left that one behind. They were awful in 97. In 04 and 06 I don't think there has been a team that average to reach a final. They had 5 or 6 class players but they were average apart from that. They won Connacht in 04 and caught Tyrone on the hop, they then beat Fermanagh after a replay in 2 awful games. I gave them zero chance in 04 and that's the way it panned out. In 06 they beat Laois in the quarters and beat an overhyped Dublin team in the semi. Another nice path to the final. 04 and 06 shouldn't even be brought up in this debate, they were so far off Kerry and Tyrone in those years. 2012 they had a meltdown for the first 10 mins and never recovered but again were underdogs pre game. And unfortunately since then they have been meeting the best squad ever assembled in the history of the game. We have no interest in being gallant losers but some of the analysis I see on them is pure pants. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 21/09/2017 11:19:24 2048938 Link
Replying To Chops: "No Riverboy mentally you are not the same, Cillian O'Connor choked and Rock didn't, even though he had missiles thrown at him that was the difference." Give us a break, O'Connors free was always going be trickier than Rocks. seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 21/09/2017 11:24:37 2048940 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "100% correct. Apart from 1996, they have always been underdogs in any final they've played in. In 2013, 16 and on Sunday they beat the bookies spread." I completely agree with your general point but in reality Mayo were underdogs in all 9 finals they have reached. in 1996 Mayo were much underdogs and Meath were warm favourites with the bookies. In 1996 after beating Dublin (1995 champions) and then easily beating Tyrone (1995 runners up) Meath were hot favourites going into that final. After the drawn final people said Mayo had missed their chance and Meath were again warm favourites for the replay. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 21/09/2017 12:06:20 2048957 Link
Replying To Chops: "No Riverboy mentally you are not the same, Cillian O'Connor choked and Rock didn't, even though he had missiles thrown at him that was the difference." You're not comparing like with like: O'Connor's last minute frees ( last year and this year, actually) were at an angle going out towards the sideline, whereas Rock's was almost dead in front of the post. One free was much more difficult than the other. This choker tag that follows O'Connor around is fairly comical given how many times he's rescued Mayo with last minute frees or penalties. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 21/09/2017 13:56:56 2049007 Link
Replying To Chops: "No Riverboy mentally you are not the same, Cillian O'Connor choked and Rock didn't, even though he had missiles thrown at him that was the difference." Educate yourself. O'Connor choked. Think before you start banging away on the keyboard. Try to come up something resembling original thoughts instead of throwing out outdated waffle that just doesn't make sense. Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 21/09/2017 14:22:15 2049016 Link
Replying To cjx: "Mayo have the worm in their brain Dublin had 10-15 years ago and must get rid of it the same way. This Mayo team can't. Perhaps a change of manager would actually help with better handling of young players coming through into senior ranks." This Mayo team bears no resemblance to that Dublin team. Does anybody have anything positive or at least constructive to say about the game or the teams involved at all at all? Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 21/09/2017 14:27:30 2049021 Link
Replying To Weary: "Educate yourself. O'Connor choked. Think before you start banging away on the keyboard. Try to come up something resembling original thoughts instead of throwing out outdated waffle that just doesn't make sense." Apologies Weary i'll run it by you next time all mighty governor of the hoganstand posts. Mayo choked, Dublin didn't. When Dublin were behind they did not panic, they sprayed the ball round patiently completing every pass and waited for the right openings. Even when Rock and McMenamen beared down on goal they took their points and did not risk going for goal and missing it. They did not reduce themselves to pot shots like Keegans ball that dropped short or Morans wide where he had multiple better options available around him before he was substituted. Those were the margins and that's where the differences were. Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 21/09/2017 17:38:52 2049089 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "Mayo were actually underdogs in 96 but no doubt they left that one behind. They were awful in 97. In 04 and 06 I don't think there has been a team that average to reach a final. They had 5 or 6 class players but they were average apart from that. They won Connacht in 04 and caught Tyrone on the hop, they then beat Fermanagh after a replay in 2 awful games. I gave them zero chance in 04 and that's the way it panned out. In 06 they beat Laois in the quarters and beat an overhyped Dublin team in the semi. Another nice path to the final. 04 and 06 shouldn't even be brought up in this debate, they were so far off Kerry and Tyrone in those years. 2012 they had a meltdown for the first 10 mins and never recovered but again were underdogs pre game. And unfortunately since then they have been meeting the best squad ever assembled in the history of the game. We have no interest in being gallant losers but some of the analysis I see on them is pure pants." Think 2013 was a missed opportunity..we are a much better balanced side now compared to that year..your forwards simply didn't deliver that day I felt and some big mistakes alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/09/2017 18:03:31 2049099 Link
Replying To alano12: "Think 2013 was a missed opportunity..we are a much better balanced side now compared to that year..your forwards simply didn't deliver that day I felt and some big mistakes" Ya I agree. It was actually a poor enough game with a subdued atmosphere with neither team performing. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 21/09/2017 19:41:49 2049138 Link
Dublin beat Mayo ...Mayo have a physcological problem. Dublin beat the rest of Ireland...Dublin the greatest team ever.. Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 21/09/2017 20:04:00 2049147 Link
Replying To Chops: "Apologies Weary i'll run it by you next time all mighty governor of the hoganstand posts. Mayo choked, Dublin didn't. When Dublin were behind they did not panic, they sprayed the ball round patiently completing every pass and waited for the right openings. Even when Rock and McMenamen beared down on goal they took their points and did not risk going for goal and missing it. They did not reduce themselves to pot shots like Keegans ball that dropped short or Morans wide where he had multiple better options available around him before he was substituted. Those were the margins and that's where the differences were." I'm no governor. So Dublin kicked no wides or dropped ball into keepers hands? Mayo were behind in the 2nd minute to a goal. They did not panic they sprayed the ball around and we're patient and tagged on some scores to in time take the lead. Don't see your point Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 21/09/2017 20:44:18 2049155 Link
I don't think Mayo choked. They lost a two-point lead very rapidly within two minutes through no fault of their own. Paul Mannion scored a fantastic point. Cillian O'Connor's free at the death was a 50/50 chance as well. In my opinion Mayo probably punch above their weight and deserve a serious amount of credit. Dublin wouldn't have needed extra-time to beat Derry, or a replay against Roscommon. It' MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 21/09/2017 20:51:42 2049159 Link
Replying To Weary: "I'm no governor. So Dublin kicked no wides or dropped ball into keepers hands? Mayo were behind in the 2nd minute to a goal. They did not panic they sprayed the ball around and we're patient and tagged on some scores to in time take the lead. Don't see your point" No but my opinion is Mayo have great players but when the chips are down they flake. And your ramming it down my throat. If that was Roscommon and Mayo were 7 or 8 to the good O'Connor would have nailed it. When the chips are down he has flaked on numerous occasions this season. He had 2 great chances to put Roscommon away the first day when the sides were level with time almost up and kicked them wide. Same against Derry and Cork. The difference between good and great is when the chips are down you produce. Canavan put the ball over in 2005 from the very same spot against Armagh, under serious pressure, when the dust settles on this Mayo team do they want to be remembered as good or great? Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 24/09/2017 09:42:33 2049819 Link
Sure even happens with their women. Cora Staunton fairly bottling it in the first half. 6 wides from play and frees. Hopefully she gets it together in the second half because she's their sharpshooter and if they're to win they'll need her. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 24/09/2017 16:37:09 2049906 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Sure even happens with their women. Cora Staunton fairly bottling it in the first half. 6 wides from play and frees. Hopefully she gets it together in the second half because she's their sharpshooter and if they're to win they'll need her." Wouldn't see it as Cora's fault. Yes she has missed a couple of frees she should have scored, but she's being double marked and it is clear that Mayo have no other players who are prepared to step up and take responsibility. They are trying to feed everything through her and seem incapable of taking their own shots at goal. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 24/09/2017 16:50:32 2049909 Link