Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 11/09/2017 22:21:36    2045090

Brendan Kilcoyne, former Sligo captain & selector with Rory Gallagher the last few years should be sounded out. Taylor, sloyane & john Mac Jr well able too & those 4 would form a strong unit. 4 divisions covered but all guys who would pick best player regardless of club.
Reality check needed on standard out there. Guys making teams at 30 that couldn't when they were 23-24. Uncompetitive championship with tubber only threat to a coasting tourlestrane.
Carew needed moving on but reality needed too. Clear out of older guys (who carew was going to give another twist to ) needed. Donovan has something to bring, others need a thankyou for ur service card. Bring through the 21s with the quality guys we have with management team they trust & respect.

tentonne (Sligo) - Posts: 69 - 11/09/2017 22:57:02    2045099

Gallagher out of the equation

shorona (Sligo) - Posts: 118 - 11/09/2017 23:28:43    2045106

first port of call has to be a serious reality check. the standard of club football in Sligo is the worst I have ever seen. lets be honest about things here, whoever wins the title would not get past 1/4 final in either mayo, Roscommon or galway. that is fact!

second I don't know if any of you guys know fergal odonnell or his management style but it is poor at best. he peaked with the minor success which was built on serious fitness and hardwork. something you wont be able to replicate at senior level because all teams have this. his tactical presence is very poor, 2010 was won because Sligo completely underestimated Roscommon and by the time they realised they where in a game the damage was done plus they gave away 9 scoring frees which is crazy.

county board will pick the next manager like it or lump it that is what will happen, anyone who disagrees with this put your hand up at your clubs agm and go into the county set up next year and change things. no player group will ever pick the manager just doesn't happen in any county. and never will ( please don't say mayo did they didn't , they voted the management team out but had very little say in who came in next )

finally I would love to see a big name come in, Horan, Gallagher, McGragh or banty but we wouldn't be able to afford any of these and lets be honest if you where them what would be the reason to take us over? we have threaded water at div 3 for years won very little championship games and our club record is terrible. which leaves 2 options for the cb to look a.......
1- local
2- ex county player looking to make a name
local- you have a few in the mix id say , ohara/McGowan, taylor/jmcp, rooney. none of them fit them really fit the bill as a prospect IMO ohara plays a really defensive form of football way more so than carew did which wouldn't suit our players. taylor has a lot to offer but tactically I'm unsure. rooney is the biggest fraud I have ever seen and should not be let within a country mile of the senior set up! mark my words if he gets it we will most def be div 4!
option 2 is the way to go IMO, and there are options here, stevie McDonnell from Armagh is interested in county management and has u21 experience and should be looked at. kevin Cassidy I believe is also on the look out which would be interesting too.

tubberman2010 (Sligo) - Posts: 22 - 12/09/2017 12:02:03    2045210

NewSligofan (Sligo) - Posts: 258 - 12/09/2017 14:50:12    2045269

Anyone who attended the 2 Connacht minor finals will understand the comment on Rooney

overinthewest (Sligo) - Posts: 119 - 12/09/2017 15:26:17    2045283

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1668 - 12/09/2017 16:39:23    2045297

At last guys - Some decent posts here to read in this lovely weather.

Gallagher is out of the equation but was not a good option for us, tactically very strong but his man management skills are a not great.

What is the point in appointing an outside manager that will be under pressure to get us to the promised land. If we had a local manager that was given the role for a number of years with the project of developing our under age players into senior players. Someone made a very valid point that we are miles physically from other teams in Connacht - 100% agree with this statement. This should be the first part of the project, lets bring in these under age players and develop them physically and mentally for county football. I strongly believe that their skill levels are good enough and you can always develop skill in a player during the year but we need to be working on other areas first.

I would love to see a local manager appointed that has experience in managing, always an easy option to appoint a former county player that has no experience but gets in on his name. Lots of good local managers out there that only need the chance to prove themselves.

Calling a manager a fraud is harsh, even though you might not agree to what changes were done that day, he still got that team to a Connacht final replay. You have to have a sense of reality here and we are in Div 3 and lots of work to be done to get us out of that and competing with other teams in Connacht.

If I was chairman or involved in selecting this manager I would say
Year 1 - Introduce 8-9 new players to panel with the hope that 3-4 players make their inter county debut next year.
Physically develop these players that they will be stronger for next year , carry out strength tests and if players don't live up to it they should be dropped from the panel. Maintain Div 3 Status would be nice but not a priority and if the above was done the reality is might not be possible. You cannot on one hand want to bring new players in, drop experienced players all at once. Only way for these lads to get experience is to play them and persist with them. This myth that a player is not county standard after 2-3 games is rubbish.
Year 2 - Introduce a further 5-6 players and once again build up their physical presence required for inter county senior football.
If in Div 4 - Promotion would be a high priority, if in Div 3 - maintain Div 3 status.
Year 3- Promotion to Division 2 would be no 1 target.
We should now have introduced 15 new players to our inter county panel and if in Div 2 we should now be able to compete for a Connacht title.
Year 4 - If we were relegated in year one then obviously - Promotion to Div 2 would be no 1 priority and then confident of going for nestor cup.
We have development squads from underage, why not have one for the senior team where we will be constantly monitoring these players coming along and they will have some work done and know what is involved before they join the senior panel.

I would be strongly against paying big money for an outside manager who would do none of this and would just want to get results or he would be out of a job.
Why not pay for a top class S&C coaches or two - look at the big counties Mayo, Dublin, Tyrone, Tipp & Galway in the hurling, the players do be raving more about these coaches than actually mangers of the team.

Look it is just my opinion and would be interested in some of your views.

RealSouthSligo (Sligo) - Posts: 84 - 12/09/2017 18:27:32    2045329

Eoinog is from the County Board or finance committee the way he posts, might be mates with some of the local candidates too ;)

Tubberman you make some ok points but Kevin Cassidy is a bit of stretch, Mcdonnell was promised as selector and we all know what happened then,

Your Fergal O Donnell comments are not accurate, that 2010 Connacht he had Roscommon prepared mentally and physically to peak, they were very good first half, they attacked our right hand side defence so shine could pop them over on his good side and coaxed us into to foul, that Is tactics, they also used cregg to perfection destroying us out the field, we nearly caught them but they remained calm and their defence was tight, if that was other way round would we have closed it out the way they did? O Donnell more recently than 2010 managed Roscommon in Div 1 and beat Kerry in Kerry and got them to a League Semi final and hes not rated by some?

Its a strange forum, managers who have achieved nothing, won nothing are more credible candidates than those who have in some eyes, welcome to Sligo logic

Rooney won a minor league and got us to a Connacht final, was within a whisker of winning it and is a fraud according to some, totally unfair imo, he had that team from the development squads

Again the previous 5 man committee cannot be the ones to choose manager, they need to get a move on with getting the managers in place at u17, u20 and Senior.

Sligonian (Sligo) - Posts: 1642 - 12/09/2017 19:05:44    2045344

Supporters in this county are nuts! Rooney is the only man ever in this county to take a squad from u13 through to Minor and actually develop players who then were ready step on to the senior panel. Yet he's a fraud according to people judging him on 2 games. Paul Taylor is a choice with some people because he got to the final of a micky mouse cup and bet a poor Roscommon team and LOST a Connacht Final to Galway. Oh that loss is ok though because it went to extra time according to ye. However everyone forgets the embarrasment of Taylors first year in charge. Worse prepared team we had in the last 20 years Start supporting all our county teams through thick and thin! Most people here only show up on the big days and don't have a clue. I for one would have no problem if Rooney got the top job.

NewSligofan (Sligo) - Posts: 258 - 12/09/2017 20:12:10    2045362

Breheny in his column is after plugging for Rooney or maybe O'Hara/MC Gowan. I would back neither option. One poster seems happy that if we blood new players and land in Div 4 he is doing well. Where is that logic?
Another poster thinks I am on finance committee or great friends with some of them. I assume that is because I know, like everyone else should know, that we don't have money in the Co Board. Scarden was a massive achievement and all our finances are tied up there at the moment. I hope the work of Scarden will be seen in the next few years through improved teams at underage. For the record I have nothing to do with the Co Board.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1668 - 13/09/2017 00:26:22    2045478

Breheny in his column is after plugging for Rooney or maybe O'Hara/MC Gowan. I would back neither option. One poster seems happy that if we blood new players and land in Div 4 he is doing well. Where is that logic?
Another poster thinks I am on finance committee or great friends with some of them. I assume that is because I know, like everyone else should know, that we don't have money in the Co Board. Scarden was a massive achievement and all our finances are tied up there at the moment. I hope the work of Scarden will be seen in the next few years through improved teams at underage. For the record I have nothing to do with the Co Board.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1668 - 13/09/2017 08:10:25    2045498

RealSouthSligo (Sligo) - Posts: 84 - 13/09/2017 10:05:32    2045545

just a couple of things in relation to certain posts
1. FOD - unless you know the inner workings of him and his management style then you cant possibly make assumptions that he is some fantastic manager. I have to say I do and I know closely many if his players both past and present. they where very unimpressed by him in general, his man management is extremely poor. his squad management is even worse and this is something we really need to work on in Sligo.
2. rooney. - I wasn't referring to the two Connaught final matches alone I was referring to his entire reign all the way up with that team, some of us here actually go to all the development games as well as the show piece matches. his inability to make good game changing decisions in game cost us time and time again. he totally changed the style of football to play galway which was counter productive and his time in manorhamilton was hardly a great success. look at the real facts instead of snippets of information.
3. you don't need to be an accountant to know that the finances of the county board are not exactly thriving. money is tight so a big name will not be easily got and if one did decide they wanted the job you would have to seriously question there motives- why take a floundering div 3 team on board? little or no underage success at any grade ever! its a strange one for me

tubberman2010 (Sligo) - Posts: 22 - 13/09/2017 10:14:55    2045547

RealSouthSligo (Sligo) - Posts: 84 - 13/09/2017 10:29:30    2045554

In reply to RealSouthSligo:

Year 1 - Introduce 8-9 new players to panel with the hope that 3-4 players make their inter county debut next year - This is what happens every year and there are alot of the U21 lads in the panel that don't make the match day squad that are constantly being developed

Year 2 - Introduce a further 5-6 players and once again build up their physical presence required for inter county senior football - Once more there are lads being introduced every year

Year 3 - Promotion to Division 2 would be no 1 target - Every year its our target to make Division 2

Year 4 - Nestor Cup - Every year we aim to win Nestor

So your solution to Sligo's issues is keep doing what we are already doing??

muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 444 - 13/09/2017 11:17:08    2045582

I do however think a holistic approach would be of huge benefit to Sligo going forward, lets take Kerry as the model 8 years ago they made a serious decision to improve the type and condition of the players they had coming from underage, they introduced the best coaches they had to the underage system and gave them the best S&C and dieticians available. something similar needs to be looked at with us at everything from u20 down.

looking through the teams at u14, u15 and u16 in the last few years it is quiet striking the physical difference of the other Connaught teams to our lads. take the ted webb completion that just finished we where fair behind Roscommon and galway city in terms of size and preparation. the difference between the Sligo v Leitrim game and the ross v galway city game last Friday was amazing, it really was like junior and senior. there is massive effort going into schools in Sligo and they are reaping the rewards but this is not been transformed to county level. we have to ask the serious questions here as to why ? is it the structures r the coaches or the players that are at fault? or is it them all!! these are serious questions that need answers.
in my mind and this is purely one mans opinion I feel that we need our best coaches managing u17 and u20 in the next two years with huge emphases on s&c, diet and gaining the necessary skill sets to be able to walk into the county team and thrive. any player coming out of the u20 set up should be physically and mentally ready to drive the county senior team forward, this has never been the case as we look always for them allusive titles at these grades instead of cutting our cloth according to our needs.
1. we need county ready players for the senior team
2. we need physically and mentally strong players
3. we need young senior players with drive and ambition to progress the county senior team.

focus on these things at underage aim to bring 3 players from each team with these set of capabilities and we will thrive going forward. rather than sit hoping for the next player to magically appear we need to actively create them

tubberman2010 (Sligo) - Posts: 22 - 13/09/2017 15:10:59    2045664

I think we so much focus given to young lads to get bigger and stronger in GAA, we are going down the route of young lads being pressured into doping in order to make the cut, something I fear that is already happening in some teams

muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 444 - 13/09/2017 15:49:48    2045681

Everyone is talking about strength and conditioning being mentally and physically prepared but not a word about coaching the skills. There are several "bull's playing football and not an ouch of skill. The aim of the game is to put the size 5 between the sticks and either above or below the stick in the middle

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1668 - 13/09/2017 16:55:49    2045702

muscles - Doping. I think someone must have got you at some stage in your life.

Answer me this, how many young players can you name under the last management that was introduced. Facts are below 4.
4 in three years - shocking. Breheny 2015, Cawley in 2016, O'Connor and Kelly last year. Though Johnny should not be included.

Have not included Daniel Maye, Eoin McHugh , Adrian McIntyre(not young players - no offence to them but good inter county players), Brian Egan (was on panel before), Kevin McD was there 2014.
2015 -

1. Aidan Devaney (Calry/St.Joseph)
2. Ross Donavan (Eastern Harps) 3. Kevin McDonnell (Castleconnor) 4. Daniel Maye (Tubbercurry)
5: Keelan Cawley (Coolera Standhill) 6 Brendan Egan (St.Vincent's, Dublin) 7. Eoin Flanagan (St.John's)
8. Cian Breheny (St.Mary's) 9. Niall Murphy (Coolera Standhill)
10. Criostóir Davey (Coolaney/Mullinbreena) 11. Mark Breheny (St.Mary's, capt) 12. Neil Ewing (Drumcliffe /Rosses Point)
13. David Kelly (Tubbercurry) 14. Pat Hughes (Geevagh) 15. Adrian Marren (Curry)

2016
Aidan Devaney - 2 Daniel Maye, 3 Kevin McDonnell, 4 Eoin Flanagan - 5 Keelan Cawley, 6 Adrian McIntyre, 7 Brendan Egan - 8 Niall Murphy, 9 Cian Breheny - 10 Neil Ewing, 11 Mark Breheny Marys (c), 12 Charlie Harrison - 13 Adrian Marren, 14 Pat Hughes, 15 Brian Egan.

2017
A Devaney (0-1, 1f); R Donovan, C Harrison, E McHugh; Keelan Cawley, B Egan, J Kelly; P O'Connor (0-1), A McIntyre; N Ewing, M Breheny (0-2, 2fs), Kyle Cawley; S Coen (0-2), P Hughes, A Marren (0-4, 2fs, '45).

RealSouthSligo (Sligo) - Posts: 84 - 13/09/2017 17:05:37    2045708