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I always find it a bit odd that people from other counties argue that Dublin finances are massively high, surely its better for other counties that they are lower then the crazy figures posted by the likes of Balls.ie and are actually at the reasonable rate eloquently put by Whamo and many of the fine contributors here. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/09/2017 11:04:03 2041515 Link 0 |
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As a read up on this the more I feel that sports council money is the source for some of the development funding rather than being in addition to it. This is encouraging too for the other East Leinster counties. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/15m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 01/09/2017 12:30:00 2041546 Link 1 |
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If that was the case, Dublin would receive 400k or so for development funding from the G.A.A., wow.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/09/2017 12:58:05 2041570 Link 0 |
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I don't have kids man ?
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/09/2017 13:29:04 2041583 Link 1 |
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Well you know obviously the GAA has influence over how grants are spent and I'd say if the ISC money wasn't available that Dublin GAA would get more than €500k or so. I'm more saying that the ISC money shouldn't be considered additional to the development money being handed over, it seems to be a piece of that money. Although I am less sure I'm correct in saying that.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 01/09/2017 13:34:33 2041586 Link 1 |
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You have distorted the picture again, 48% is between 2010 & 2014, taking the accumulated figure over those years. You took the 2012 figure in isolation & also quoted figures from 2015 when we clearly stated that the figure of 48% was between 2010 & 2014. This figure was questioned at official level by some within the GAA, it has never been disputed, only by you who has tried to distort the figures by pulling out one single year & including a year that was never included in the statistic.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 01/09/2017 15:13:57 2041622 Link 0 |
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Lol, when we mentioned the ISC figure to Dublin county board, you replied that €2.6 Million was also given by the ISC to the Gaa. I asked you to tell us how much of that €2.6 Million went to other county boards & not clubs, as it is county boards we are speaking about. Still haven't seen that replied to.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 01/09/2017 15:18:34 2041624 Link 0 |
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Read the report. Page 5 has the development funding listed from 2010-2014. From 2005-2016 Dublin got 16.5m in total. From 2010-2014 nearly 50m alone was spent on games development. 48% is bs Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 01/09/2017 15:34:39 2041631 Link 1 |
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Just to bust a myth here re the Dubs being specially treated etc Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 01/09/2017 15:38:15 2041633 Link 0 |
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Even if we take your figures as gospel moc.dna, you've just identified part of Dublin's turnover. keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 01/09/2017 16:02:09 2041641 Link 1 |
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I didn't really understand to be honest the point you were trying to make. The ISC money is all for grassroots development projects. The money isn't being handed over directly to Dublin county board either. For instance money was given specifically to fund development of the Adamstown club in Dublin one year. As I say I think, though I'm not 100% certain, that the ISC money is a part of the GAA development money and not in addition to it. So you still get to a point where Dublin are getting in the region of €1.5m out of a €10m pot. It is administered differently for Dublin that other counties but I don't see that as being important. Money is being spent all over the country at grassroots level to promote the games. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 01/09/2017 16:40:57 2041648 Link 1 |
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You seem to be digging a hole for yourself here, just explain in facts how the 48% figure is bs, your saying that Dublin did not get 48% of the total games development funding from 2010 to 2014. We are not talking about ISC money here or years outside of 2010 to 2014 as you keep bringing up other years, so very simple explain how that figure is bs.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 01/09/2017 21:22:18 2041707 Link 2 |
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I am very annoyed , the gaa only put a million into my slush fund today hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 01/09/2017 23:27:13 2041732 Link 0 |
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They didn't get 48% of the total games development money from 2010-2014. The journalist who came up with that made a mistake with his figures. He tallied the money given directly to counties only. Dublin got 48% of the funding given directly to county boards. That isn't even close to the entire amount spent on games development by central council. I've provided the evidence for you. Read it if you want it's no skin off my nose. Anyway this conversation is going nowhere because you believe what you want to believe and you're not prepared to see any different. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 02/09/2017 00:21:50 2041737 Link 2 |
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My last post on the issue, you came on all guns ablazing anout the ISC money & you were wrong & couldn't produce the facts. Pointless debating any more.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 02/09/2017 01:16:19 2041739 Link 1 |
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https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641%3fmode=amp This refers to 2014 Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 02/09/2017 07:24:35 2041744 Link 0 |
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I think he is on a wind up mate. Excellent work here i enjoyed reading your posts. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 02/09/2017 09:49:40 2041755 Link 0 |
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Sorry now, what do you mean I was wrong about that? The ISC do give 3.6m in total to the GAA for grassroots development. 1m to Dublin, and 2.6m elsewhere. I really don't get why that further 2.6m doesn't count in your head for some reason. Plus this money is not extra on top of the development money. This is from the GAA financial statement: "GAmeS deveLoPmenT The scale of our games development programme continues to impress. Last year we again invested almost €10m in coaching and development, throughout Ireland and internationally, to the bene t of adult and underage players, coaches and match o cials in every county. This programme is part funded by the Irish Sports Council and the Department of Foreign A airs. Historically we have aimed each year to augment our state funding by a factor of two from our own funds when it comes to investment in games. In recent years however our internally funded proportion has stretched, to the extent that in 2015 our games development expenditure was equivalent to almost four times our state funding. Games are our core purpose and we cannot a ord to diminish our investment even when state support has been curtailed incrementally in recent years. I mention this metric not to bemoan our level of funding - indeed we remain very grateful for it - but merely to illustrate the standards that we continue to set for ourselves and the increasing demands on our resources." https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641%3fmode=amp The article above is where the GAA explains that they weren't giving 48% of the development money to Dublin. You can see here that Dublin received 1.46m, it was the same in 2013. In 2012 it was 1.588m. In those years the GAA spent 9.9m in 2012 on games development, 9.8m in 2013, 9.5m in 2014. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 02/09/2017 10:12:47 2041759 Link 3 |
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Yeh I think he's on the wind up too. I'm happy enough to have done this though. This topic will keep coming up and the work is done now. Its not such a sensational story to tell that Dublin have been receiving 15% of the GAA development fund money. It's not really untoward at all. Really at the end of the day why would it be. You look at the upper echelons of the GAA and there's plenty of diversity there. Pauric Duffy is from Monaghan, Aogán Ó'Fearghaíll is Cavan. At the time when the Dublin project first started in 2005 Sean Kelly of Kerry was the President. This whole "financial doping" myth that's surrounded Dublin is just so boring. The GAA have to spend money in the large population centres. The GAA doesn't exist in a vacuum, it has to compete with other sports. Those other sports aren't organised around county lines and will also be spending big in the large population areas. I much prefer that the GAA is getting these talents playing our games. I'd much rather watch Con O'Callaghan shining for Dublin than for him to be playing rugby with Leinster or something. The GAA are now rolling out similar projects in East Leinster and Belfast. Hopefully these projects will prove to be just as successful and I think the game could be in a very good competitive state in 10-15 years time. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 02/09/2017 11:17:11 2041767 Link 1 |
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Ya the game will be very strong on the east coast whammo but it's being aloud to die out on the west coast .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/09/2017 11:51:08 2041775 Link 0 |