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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Normally I wouldn't pay much attention to these threads but one thing from the Dublin and Tyrone match which I thought was absolutely frightening was the fitness levels of Dublin. I mean they must be the fittest team to ever take to a gaelic football field and are a professional team in all but name. Of course they have the best footballers as well which helps.

The GAA need to somehow look at pumping more money into the lesser counties, otherwise the gap will just widen. The way things are going isn't going to do Dublin any good either, they have no competitive game until the All-Ireland final."
you could pump all the money in the world into some counties and it won't make them fitter or better footballers !!!
I'm thinking of my own county. Putting millions into it wouldn't make the current squad any better. Unless there's a transfer market..... we already say the results of one such attempt !!!!!!

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 29/08/2017 13:00:37    2040027

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "In fairness I though Colm O'Rourke made a great point and it's a point I've made my self in the past that Dublin having on 1 intercounty team to cater for 1.5 million people is wrong.

There should be 2/3 teams in the capital to give more fellas a chance to play intercounty football and it wouldn't weaken Dublin that much at all.

The GAA are doing a disservice to a lot of its members by having only one team in Dublin ."
Sure isn't the problem in rural Ireland is that everyone is moving to Dublin and the other problem traveling expenses. There must be about 100k in Dublin when the likes of Kerry, Mayo and Doengal have training listening to a few lads on here and the complexities of moving about 8 fellas around the country. :)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/08/2017 13:05:37    2040029

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Between 2004 and 2009 Kerry won 4 of 6 all-ireland football titles.

Between 2011 and 2016 Dublin won 4 of 6 all-ireland football titles.

When Kerry won, and beat the Dubs like in 2004, 2007 and 2009 it was because the Kingdom produced lovely natural footballers. Dublin for all their population and resources just produced athletes, they weren't natural footballers. In the same way their hurlers are never described as silky or natural.

However when Dublin won their recent all-irelands beating Kerry in 2011, 2013, 2015 and 2016 a lot of people didn't want to give them the credit they deserved. Few said Dublin are now producing complete, natural footballers. The 'athleticism' over skill label was still pedaled for a while. Then the common refrain from the begrudgers was they have a huge population and they bought their success. Now the population of Dublin was much the same 10 years ago when they could only produce athletes!

Meath has a population of 190,000, Kildare 220,000. Posters from these counties are cribbing about the Dubs advantages, just some posters. Yet Mayo with a population of 130,000 drew with the Dubs over the last 2 years. Lost by a point in an all-ireland in 2013 and beat them in 2012. Going by recent form they'll compete well in the final. Colm O'Rourke made a point in his Sindo column that really Meath and Kildare have no excuses for not doing better. I think Kildare, at underage, are trying to address this.

Double standards??

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 29/08/2017 13:13:30    2040033

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Normally I wouldn't pay much attention to these threads but one thing from the Dublin and Tyrone match which I thought was absolutely frightening was the fitness levels of Dublin. I mean they must be the fittest team to ever take to a gaelic football field and are a professional team in all but name. Of course they have the best footballers as well which helps.

The GAA need to somehow look at pumping more money into the lesser counties, otherwise the gap will just widen. The way things are going isn't going to do Dublin any good either, they have no competitive game until the All-Ireland final."
Mayo are as fit as Dublin , simple we aimed to peak this year and are doing so at the correct time , the so called professionals you mentioned have been rested and had their fitness brought on correctly IMO this year.
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Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 29/08/2017 13:16:34    2040037

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Normally I wouldn't pay much attention to these threads but one thing from the Dublin and Tyrone match which I thought was absolutely frightening was the fitness levels of Dublin. I mean they must be the fittest team to ever take to a gaelic football field and are a professional team in all but name. Of course they have the best footballers as well which helps.

The GAA need to somehow look at pumping more money into the lesser counties, otherwise the gap will just widen. The way things are going isn't going to do Dublin any good either, they have no competitive game until the All-Ireland final."
Mayo are as fit as Dublin , simple we aimed to peak this year and are doing so at the correct time , the so called professionals you mentioned have been rested and had their fitness brought on correctly IMO this year.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 29/08/2017 13:17:37    2040039

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "In fairness I though Colm O'Rourke made a great point and it's a point I've made my self in the past that Dublin having on 1 intercounty team to cater for 1.5 million people is wrong.

There should be 2/3 teams in the capital to give more fellas a chance to play intercounty football and it wouldn't weaken Dublin that much at all.

The GAA are doing a disservice to a lot of its members by having only one team in Dublin ."
Population argument again for splitting Dublin in two. GAA & in particular Football is the only sport where this seems to be mentioned.

Genuinely, as a Kerry fan how would you feel if people were suggesting Kerry should be split in two?

gingerdub (Dublin) - Posts: 11 - 29/08/2017 13:30:17    2040049

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Replying To Dubfire:  "Am I right in assuming Cork should also be split in two seeing as they have more GAA clubs than Dublin to choose their players from?

Also, Mayo spent more money than Dublin last year. Will this be considered or conveniently ignored because it doesn't suit the anti-Dublin agenda?"
you are right about cork they do have more clubs,but why do dublin get 75% of the funding and the rest of the country combined get 25%?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 29/08/2017 13:31:57    2040052

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I think the dead atmosphere at a full Croker on Sunday save for a few tasteless OIes suggests that Dublin fans are even bored of the situation at this stage.

If AI's are that trivial and meaningless the whole thing becomes hollow and unworthwile

AgainstTheOdds (Kerry) - Posts: 47 - 29/08/2017 13:34:10    2040053

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People would want to remember when Dublin weren't winning all Ireland's they had the biggest population and I would imagine they still had the most revenue. It's a 30 man team game of you train the players properly and get your tactics right then why can't anyone do well?

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 29/08/2017 13:35:18    2040057

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Open the lid but you find any brilliant footballers in there!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8586 - 29/08/2017 13:36:08    2040061

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "In fairness I though Colm O'Rourke made a great point and it's a point I've made my self in the past that Dublin having on 1 intercounty team to cater for 1.5 million people is wrong.

There should be 2/3 teams in the capital to give more fellas a chance to play intercounty football and it wouldn't weaken Dublin that much at all.

The GAA are doing a disservice to a lot of its members by having only one team in Dublin ."
This is the crux of the issue for me as indeed is the size of some clubs in Dublin.......there should be far more GAA clubs in Dublin given its size and population

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 29/08/2017 13:41:05    2040063

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Splitting Dublin up with have a seriously detrimental effect on our fan base, then what?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8586 - 29/08/2017 13:41:30    2040065

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "you are right about cork they do have more clubs,but why do dublin get 75% of the funding and the rest of the country combined get 25%?"
You do presumably believe the GAA should be in the business of promoting - the GAA? right? How would you do that? Explain how you would abandon the current model and go with a new one that excludes the FACT that approx 30% of the population lives in Dublin? Just ignore Dublin and everything the GAA earns (from Dublin) gets 100% ploughed back in, Dublin would stlii have their own revenues because of its population. Dublin part finances the promotion of the GAA through its own funding, very few other counties do that. Every new player brings with them potentially a new family of fans, followers helping finance the whole edifice. Your model excludes Dublin and Dublin players, clubs from any kind of subvention, based on a prejudice that Dublin clubs get money - name one? I go around the country and see these huge GAA grounf=ds some exclusively and unashamdely promoting a single code - where did all that money come from? Certainly not from the local county board.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 29/08/2017 13:50:15    2040072

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Mayo are as fit as Dublin , simple we aimed to peak this year and are doing so at the correct time , the so called professionals you mentioned have been rested and had their fitness brought on correctly IMO this year."
You are right, the Dublin team seem to be peaking at just the right time and fair dues. Look you cannot escape the fact that the current crop of Dublin players are brilliant. However if you are a weaker county, can you rest some of your best players to peak in the summer months - I doubt it.

What do you think the solution is? Do we just keep pumping money into Dublin? Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone are well funded and well run but as for the rest I really worry.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 29/08/2017 13:50:43    2040073

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Replying To gingerdub:  "Population argument again for splitting Dublin in two. GAA & in particular Football is the only sport where this seems to be mentioned.

Genuinely, as a Kerry fan how would you feel if people were suggesting Kerry should be split in two?"
I'd laugh at the notion of the 14th highest populated county with 3% of the Republic's population having to be split

Also we are well down the funding foodchain, so I'd fall on the floor laughing

AgainstTheOdds (Kerry) - Posts: 47 - 29/08/2017 14:00:29    2040079

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "you are right about cork they do have more clubs,but why do dublin get 75% of the funding and the rest of the country combined get 25%?"
What are you talking about 75% and 25%. Those figures aren't even close to being correct.

GAA set to tackle issue of Dublin funding and have concerns over 'vicious circle' of team expenses
http://the42.ie/3217517

14% they got. They've got around 20% of the population of the entire island. Their population is younger than average too. Ok they've also got a lot people not interested in the GAA but there's plenty in N Ireland with zero interest.

The money they get seems pretty ball park correct.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 29/08/2017 14:02:22    2040082

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Replying To AgainstTheOdds:  "I'd laugh at the notion of the 14th highest populated county with 3% of the Republic's population having to be split

Also we are well down the funding foodchain, so I'd fall on the floor laughing"
So if population and funding is what wins you All Irelands, how come Kerry have won so many?

GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 29/08/2017 14:12:38    2040095

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "you are right about cork they do have more clubs,but why do dublin get 75% of the funding and the rest of the country combined get 25%?"
Can you back those %'s up? We'll wait.

GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 29/08/2017 14:13:38    2040096

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Replying To realdub:  "Splitting Dublin up with have a seriously detrimental effect on our fan base, then what?"
But that doesn't matter realdub. All that matters is we stop winning because apparently because of us football needs to be saved.

GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 29/08/2017 14:14:29    2040097

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Replying To Whammo86:  "What are you talking about 75% and 25%. Those figures aren't even close to being correct.

GAA set to tackle issue of Dublin funding and have concerns over 'vicious circle' of team expenses
http://the42.ie/3217517

14% they got. They've got around 20% of the population of the entire island. Their population is younger than average too. Ok they've also got a lot people not interested in the GAA but there's plenty in N Ireland with zero interest.

The money they get seems pretty ball park correct."
No its not because as Dublin keep saying they have more sports to compete with so a lower % of their population plays GAA

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Per capita gives a far more accurate view and shows why many neutrals are not happy

€274 per player as opposed to €15-20 and we are supposed to pretend it's a level playing field........................

AgainstTheOdds (Kerry) - Posts: 47 - 29/08/2017 14:16:17    2040099

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