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Dublin looked and played yesterday like a fully professional team. They are sponsored by a big insurance company and the money received from those and other sponsors is probably well ahead of the rest of the country. Regarding the sponsorship there is probably v little that can be done to get equality as sponsors have every right to give their money to whoever they want.

However, the money they are receiving from central government / sports council needs to be fully clarified. I have read various reports indicating that they are getting way more than other counties even when population factored in to it. It has been stated in defence of this that Dublin are matching these donations but i am not sure if anyone really knows.

In my opinion the funding should be based on some equitable basis and, it seems, that's not happening.

I would just ask that the GAA fully clarify what each county is receiving and commence a process to get equality back. After all, democracy and equality is the backbone of the GAA.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - 28/08/2017 21:46:56    2039654

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Replying To oldsam_newsam:  "Dublin looked and played yesterday like a fully professional team. They are sponsored by a big insurance company and the money received from those and other sponsors is probably well ahead of the rest of the country. Regarding the sponsorship there is probably v little that can be done to get equality as sponsors have every right to give their money to whoever they want.

However, the money they are receiving from central government / sports council needs to be fully clarified. I have read various reports indicating that they are getting way more than other counties even when population factored in to it. It has been stated in defence of this that Dublin are matching these donations but i am not sure if anyone really knows.

In my opinion the funding should be based on some equitable basis and, it seems, that's not happening.

I would just ask that the GAA fully clarify what each county is receiving and commence a process to get equality back. After all, democracy and equality is the backbone of the GAA."
The GAA was built on inequality from the outset - basing it's structure on parish, county and provincial units all unequal in size and population. The population drift from the countryside and the growth of large urban areas, particularly Dublin with approx. one third of the country's population, initially exasperated the problem but now threatens the future of the GAA. Croke Park have shown no appetite to address the growing problem. The problems that you are airing are a natural consequence of Croke Park's refusal to acknowledge what is happening.
I have no answers to the problems - be it country clubs falling by the wayside, the huge cost to county boards through travel expenses for city based players, the unbalanced provincial c'ships, the failure to provide the thousands of Dublin kids a reasonable opportunity to play county football, and the points that you raise about teams in large urban areas having the facility to draw down large sponsorship and yet corner large amounts of Croke Park funding.

neverright (Roscommon) - 28/08/2017 23:41:41    2039736

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Replying To oldsam_newsam:  "Dublin looked and played yesterday like a fully professional team. They are sponsored by a big insurance company and the money received from those and other sponsors is probably well ahead of the rest of the country. Regarding the sponsorship there is probably v little that can be done to get equality as sponsors have every right to give their money to whoever they want.

However, the money they are receiving from central government / sports council needs to be fully clarified. I have read various reports indicating that they are getting way more than other counties even when population factored in to it. It has been stated in defence of this that Dublin are matching these donations but i am not sure if anyone really knows.

In my opinion the funding should be based on some equitable basis and, it seems, that's not happening.

I would just ask that the GAA fully clarify what each county is receiving and commence a process to get equality back. After all, democracy and equality is the backbone of the GAA."
Great post, a county with a population of 1.3 Million is always going to draw the big sponsors as they are the best supported team who get the most media publicity so that pot is always going to be overflowing. The turnover in some of the Dublin clubs bars is ahead of what some county teams are investing. The inequity is massive. The Gaa have given them the highest rate of funding & the have the highest number of coaches & games development officers in the country. It is not going to change as the Dubs are the biggest draw & with Sky now dictating matters, they will continue to be kept centre stage by Croke Park. Let's not forget the majority of the officials working at the top in the Association live in Dublin. Even a very simple thing, how many other counties get to play all their Cumann na mBunscoil finals in Croke Park ? If the same level of money is going to be pumped in & present population trends continue, then the county should be divided into two for competitions. Let's have more transparency & equity.

moc.dna (Galway) - 29/08/2017 00:50:35    2039755

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Am I right in assuming Cork should also be split in two seeing as they have more GAA clubs than Dublin to choose their players from?

Also, Mayo spent more money than Dublin last year. Will this be considered or conveniently ignored because it doesn't suit the anti-Dublin agenda?

Dubfire (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 01:10:37    2039760

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Replying To oldsam_newsam:  "Dublin looked and played yesterday like a fully professional team. They are sponsored by a big insurance company and the money received from those and other sponsors is probably well ahead of the rest of the country. Regarding the sponsorship there is probably v little that can be done to get equality as sponsors have every right to give their money to whoever they want.

However, the money they are receiving from central government / sports council needs to be fully clarified. I have read various reports indicating that they are getting way more than other counties even when population factored in to it. It has been stated in defence of this that Dublin are matching these donations but i am not sure if anyone really knows.

In my opinion the funding should be based on some equitable basis and, it seems, that's not happening.

I would just ask that the GAA fully clarify what each county is receiving and commence a process to get equality back. After all, democracy and equality is the backbone of the GAA."
Save your energy friend. The GAA and media aren't interested and even if they were they WON'T publish ANYTHING negative about Dublin. It's heresy to say anything detrimental about Dublin, their finances and Croke Park's role in this. It's ALL about money, taking advantage of the Dublin cash cow and indulging the Sky Blues. North Korea doesn't even come near to this closed shop!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - 29/08/2017 01:50:36    2039765

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Great post, a county with a population of 1.3 Million is always going to draw the big sponsors as they are the best supported team who get the most media publicity so that pot is always going to be overflowing. The turnover in some of the Dublin clubs bars is ahead of what some county teams are investing. The inequity is massive. The Gaa have given them the highest rate of funding & the have the highest number of coaches & games development officers in the country. It is not going to change as the Dubs are the biggest draw & with Sky now dictating matters, they will continue to be kept centre stage by Croke Park. Let's not forget the majority of the officials working at the top in the Association live in Dublin. Even a very simple thing, how many other counties get to play all their Cumann na mBunscoil finals in Croke Park ? If the same level of money is going to be pumped in & present population trends continue, then the county should be divided into two for competitions. Let's have more transparency & equity."
The GAA/Media conspiracy of silence and denial regarding this will continue to set the agenda. Censorship, burying of heads and looking the other way is the order of the day. Nothing to see here, move on.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - 29/08/2017 01:55:16    2039767

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Replying To oldsam_newsam:  "Dublin looked and played yesterday like a fully professional team. They are sponsored by a big insurance company and the money received from those and other sponsors is probably well ahead of the rest of the country. Regarding the sponsorship there is probably v little that can be done to get equality as sponsors have every right to give their money to whoever they want.

However, the money they are receiving from central government / sports council needs to be fully clarified. I have read various reports indicating that they are getting way more than other counties even when population factored in to it. It has been stated in defence of this that Dublin are matching these donations but i am not sure if anyone really knows.

In my opinion the funding should be based on some equitable basis and, it seems, that's not happening.

I would just ask that the GAA fully clarify what each county is receiving and commence a process to get equality back. After all, democracy and equality is the backbone of the GAA."
There have been a lot of threads on this already.

The figures for the development money are all in the public domain.

The reality is a lot different to the perceived wisdom also.

One journalist in particular has gone down a road of comparing what Dublin gets versus other counties. Thing is he doesn't take into account that development money is that development officers are paid for directly from Dublin's development money. In other counties the development officers are employed by the Provincial councils.

Dublin are getting about 14% of the total development money, yet this journalist, incorrectly, claims they get about 47% of the money because he fails to account for the €5m or so that goes to the Provincial councils.

The figures are out there and are online. Look for yourself if you want, it didn't take me long to find it all when I wanted to in the past.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 29/08/2017 06:14:40    2039786

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Its so funny the perceptions people have about Dublin

hipster (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 07:07:58    2039796

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Replying To oldsam_newsam:  "Dublin looked and played yesterday like a fully professional team. They are sponsored by a big insurance company and the money received from those and other sponsors is probably well ahead of the rest of the country. Regarding the sponsorship there is probably v little that can be done to get equality as sponsors have every right to give their money to whoever they want.

However, the money they are receiving from central government / sports council needs to be fully clarified. I have read various reports indicating that they are getting way more than other counties even when population factored in to it. It has been stated in defence of this that Dublin are matching these donations but i am not sure if anyone really knows.

In my opinion the funding should be based on some equitable basis and, it seems, that's not happening.

I would just ask that the GAA fully clarify what each county is receiving and commence a process to get equality back. After all, democracy and equality is the backbone of the GAA."
Bit of a stupid thread considering all the figures are published by the GAA, be it at central level or county board level. You are just too lazy to go and hunt the data down.

The GAA financialyy is the most open when publishing its financial figures.

By the way Dublin's dominance financially and population wise was there well before 2011

witnof (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 07:22:18    2039799

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What I would like to see is the returns Dublin get from playing in Croker Park. How much of the cost of opening croker is picked up by the Dubs and how much of the gate receipts do the Dubs take home. I imagine Dublin don't have to contribute to the upkeep of croker either.
Surely a start towards parity would be for the Dubs to have their own stadium. Unfair that they get to play their all year along with other financial benefits they receive.
Look, this Dublin team is fantastic and as much as it pains me to say it are definetly within the 2 greatest teams of all time and they still have more to come. The argument is more about the future of the GAA, if the trend continues the way it is the gap between Dublin and the rest will just widen further and inevitably interest will just be lost across the country in the sport

as_ky (Kerry) - 29/08/2017 07:35:27    2039800

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Would people please stop going on about SKY dictating things to the GAA.

It really makes the person sound very stupid and it's hard to take anything else in the post seriously.

Sky have no control over anything they aren't paying massive money to the GAA and the GAA can easily change the TV rights agreement if they want to after each deal is up.

This SKY dictating things is just something certian people in the media who are opposed to the Sky deal have thrown out there with zero basis for it and some eeijits have lapped it up.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - 29/08/2017 07:57:31    2039803

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Were the finances lifted on Kilkenny when they were going for 5 in a row?
Kerry minors going for 4 in a row.
This is a very good Dublin team that should have lost last year's all Ireland. People seem to forget that Mayo scored 2 own goals. Mayo had that match won.
Dublin will be doing well to win this year but I can see a drop off in the next 2 -3 years. Kerry will be the coming team. Wonder when they are going for 3 in or 4 in a row will the talk be the same?

Rohanhorsemaste (Tipperary) - 29/08/2017 08:17:34    2039808

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I posted a link on the annual GAA statement here a couple of years back.
One clear difference was development funding. Kildare, Meath were getting approx 40,000 euro while Dublin gets and has been getting 1.6 million annually back as far as I could go. Given the population difference 40 times the funding is way out of proportion.
Sponsored funding is up to counties, but massive disparities in GAA distribution has been written about many times. It's typical Irish management of a system. It's not what's right or fair, it's who has the biggest political weighting.

jonno (Kildare) - 29/08/2017 08:18:31    2039809

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Great post, a county with a population of 1.3 Million is always going to draw the big sponsors as they are the best supported team who get the most media publicity so that pot is always going to be overflowing. The turnover in some of the Dublin clubs bars is ahead of what some county teams are investing. The inequity is massive. The Gaa have given them the highest rate of funding & the have the highest number of coaches & games development officers in the country. It is not going to change as the Dubs are the biggest draw & with Sky now dictating matters, they will continue to be kept centre stage by Croke Park. Let's not forget the majority of the officials working at the top in the Association live in Dublin. Even a very simple thing, how many other counties get to play all their Cumann na mBunscoil finals in Croke Park ? If the same level of money is going to be pumped in & present population trends continue, then the county should be divided into two for competitions. Let's have more transparency & equity."
God love you, you must have had fierce pangs of guilt when Galway - pop. 260,000 - defeated Leitrim - 32,000 - in 2015. Should we divide Dublin into 5, Galway into 2, Cortk into 3 etc. just to keep things equitable?

avonali (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 08:28:36    2039813

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Lads you could give the DCB no money and thst Dublin football feam would still swat all before them because they are simply better than the rest. Eetter mentally perhaps the biggest factor

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 08:31:07    2039814

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Yes completely agree. I think we are seeing the death of county football. It's a house of cards that is on the cusp of caving in. The other so called top counties are just about hanging on to Dublin but Dublin are now set for complete domination. In my native mayo the investment in UBS and development squads has been relegated to the needs of the county team. One of the development squads has been told the county board will only pay for a bus to travel to a handful of games while well over a million was invested in the county team last year. This is unsustainable. Dublin have no such concerns with their development squads and academies. The gaa will do nothing about this until it's too late

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - 29/08/2017 08:44:22    2039815

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And interestingly a monaghan poster prior to the Dublin game went the route of how much money the counties get. It actully showed Monaghan got more money per head of population. Think you country boys need to change the tune on this one. Getting very boring like your football teams.

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 08:49:02    2039817

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i think ll youll find that mayo per head have the greatest funding in the gaa. Google it.
Its funny how you have O Rourke splitting dublin and then yet another meath poster coming on to moan.
Why would anyone invest more money in Meath when your underage strucute is so bad, your team always under-performs these days. Carlow are better prepared than Meath.

Truth hurts but there you go....

heresam (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 08:50:02    2039819

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Yup and all other teams too. Y'now, for transparency like!

DannyMcA (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 09:11:12    2039832

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Great post, a county with a population of 1.3 Million is always going to draw the big sponsors as they are the best supported team who get the most media publicity so that pot is always going to be overflowing. The turnover in some of the Dublin clubs bars is ahead of what some county teams are investing. The inequity is massive. The Gaa have given them the highest rate of funding & the have the highest number of coaches & games development officers in the country. It is not going to change as the Dubs are the biggest draw & with Sky now dictating matters, they will continue to be kept centre stage by Croke Park. Let's not forget the majority of the officials working at the top in the Association live in Dublin. Even a very simple thing, how many other counties get to play all their Cumann na mBunscoil finals in Croke Park ? If the same level of money is going to be pumped in & present population trends continue, then the county should be divided into two for competitions. Let's have more transparency & equity."
The Leinster Council chairman is from Carlow, Jim Bolger, and lives 3 miles from me.

My nephew got to play in Croke Park, at 6, last year in a tournament against teams from Wexford. This is commonplace. Anyway to a child of 11 or 12 playing in O'Connor Park Tullamore, O'Moore Park, Salthill etc seems almost the same as Croke Park with their stands and well laid out pitches. At any rate they're only playing across the side of the pitch.

I don't know if Peter Canavan's son Darragh played in Croke Park before but if not it didn't hinder him Sunday. I think it's in the genes and he practices his game a lot.

This rubbish about Dublin being a professional team. Jack McCaffrey is studying to be a doctor, plays with UCD etc. A professional under contract wouldn't be allowed do that!

Laois76 (Laois) - 29/08/2017 09:29:36    2039843

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