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Replying To marty234:  "I never said for 1 minute any of them 3 should start i said they should be considered...you are twisting things for your own agenda here ....the glenties boys would set bonner an example, they are disciplined and do their job some of them worth a shot to have in panel...something our mgt needs to see rather than playing flair players in defence but to be honest our mgt too long in tooth to learn this...listen at end of day you aren't seeing the big picture that we are regressing badly under current mgt but hey we will give them your 2 years to see where it goes...but you will remember that "I told you""
Big difference in club and county my friend. Listened to bonner on Brendan devennys podcast he mentioned speaking to his family and the players. So if there happy so am I if your not you'll just have to put up with it. Even devenny was happy that he stayed. So the way I look at it the people who know there football are happy the keyboard warriors are not so I'm happy. Thank you.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 06/09/2021 19:54:13    2378338

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Big difference in club and county my friend. Listened to bonner on Brendan devennys podcast he mentioned speaking to his family and the players. So if there happy so am I if your not you'll just have to put up with it. Even devenny was happy that he stayed. So the way I look at it the people who know there football are happy the keyboard warriors are not so I'm happy. Thank you."
Devenney happy now that's a guaranteed semi next year then...just giving an honest opinion...dont know what you thinking if you think genuine dgl supporters are happy I haven't spoke to 1 happy one and trust me they are genuine supporters..anyway we agree to disagree

marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 07/09/2021 00:34:51    2378410

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Ure still spouting the drivel Rory, continually repeating ure self, u honestly think u and Bonner are a class apart and superior to everyone else and your attempts to put everyone down with an opinion are laughable! Sure as there is a bill on a crow, Bonner will be be set up to fail, and the sooner the better. The county board must realize that the easiest way to get rid of him is to give the 2 years and watch him sink. Then it's good nite. What a travesty for Donegal football, what does Donegal senior football need, another McKenna cup! That should keep u relevant Rory!

thelowball (USA) - Posts: 400 - 07/09/2021 01:15:44    2378415

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nobody on these forums seem to criticise Rochford at all. From what I can see he seems to do the majority of the coaching and probably has a big say in how the team is set up. I'd also question whoever is responsible for the conditioning of the team in 2021, they were extremely flat against Derry, seemed to lack energy. In the Tyrone game we saw Hugh McFadden running out of steam early in the 2nd half, wouldn't happen to a Tyrone or Mayo player. I know the buck stops with the manager because he picks his backroom team. Hopefully he can make some changes that will improve things, he could still be successful if he got better people round him.

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 474 - 07/09/2021 09:52:41    2378444

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Replying To thelowball:  "Ure still spouting the drivel Rory, continually repeating ure self, u honestly think u and Bonner are a class apart and superior to everyone else and your attempts to put everyone down with an opinion are laughable! Sure as there is a bill on a crow, Bonner will be be set up to fail, and the sooner the better. The county board must realize that the easiest way to get rid of him is to give the 2 years and watch him sink. Then it's good nite. What a travesty for Donegal football, what does Donegal senior football need, another McKenna cup! That should keep u relevant Rory!"
How can anyone take you or marty serious,?these forums are for debating football, people agree or disagree on different topics but you two come on letting on yous have Donegal gaa at heart. But everybody knows yous are on a mission against bonner, yous don't debate when we're winning . where we're yous when we win our ulsters or put it up to Kerry in croke park,?not a peep from yous but when Mayo beat us as sure as day follows night yous we're one of the first to comment. Pretty pathetic really. Sad little individuals.?one of the reasons I'm glad bonner took two more years is to sicken fools likes yous. Did bonner really drop yous or someone precious to yous lol.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 07/09/2021 11:44:04    2378467

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Replying To rorysboys:  "How can anyone take you or marty serious,?these forums are for debating football, people agree or disagree on different topics but you two come on letting on yous have Donegal gaa at heart. But everybody knows yous are on a mission against bonner, yous don't debate when we're winning . where we're yous when we win our ulsters or put it up to Kerry in croke park,?not a peep from yous but when Mayo beat us as sure as day follows night yous we're one of the first to comment. Pretty pathetic really. Sad little individuals.?one of the reasons I'm glad bonner took two more years is to sicken fools likes yous. Did bonner really drop yous or someone precious to yous lol."
More worried about sickening us than having dgl competing for all Ireland's that says it all really..how can anyone call themselves a genuine supporter with an attitude like this...i actually can't take your view on dgl football serious anymore after that comment..think it's unreal really that you would be more worried about me being sick than progressing the county team...think that's the pathetic view here...never heard worse.

marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 07/09/2021 12:57:43    2378492

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Utter childish comments at this stage lads - nobody has to agree on anything but at least be civil and not resort to constant digs and oneupmanship all the time..

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1595 - 07/09/2021 13:36:36    2378509

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Replying To marty234:  "More worried about sickening us than having dgl competing for all Ireland's that says it all really..how can anyone call themselves a genuine supporter with an attitude like this...i actually can't take your view on dgl football serious anymore after that comment..think it's unreal really that you would be more worried about me being sick than progressing the county team...think that's the pathetic view here...never heard worse."
I've followed Donegal all my life and at the moment bonner is the best manager we have. How do you call yourself a supporter When you come on here gloating every time we lose a big game and this is being happening since bonner took over. A follower in my eyes follows there team through bad times and good times. You certainly don't fool me with your childish behaviour. In bonner we trust.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 07/09/2021 13:42:06    2378511

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Replying To marty234:  "More worried about sickening us than having dgl competing for all Ireland's that says it all really..how can anyone call themselves a genuine supporter with an attitude like this...i actually can't take your view on dgl football serious anymore after that comment..think it's unreal really that you would be more worried about me being sick than progressing the county team...think that's the pathetic view here...never heard worse."
Who would be your alternative to Declan Bonner and on what basis?

I'm not entirely happy with Declan Bonner and his management team, I always feel uneasy about teams selections and use of the bench, and feel like things could definitely be better. However its obvious we don't have any suitable candidates sitting in the wings ready to take over, like Gary McDaid, Martin Regan, SP Barrett are names floated about, but I don't believe any of them would rival Declan Bonners management team, which is really Jim McGuinness team from 2014 with a couple of changes.

While I am not happy with the performance of Bonner and his team in 2020 & 2021, I don't see anybody better right now.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 08/09/2021 12:46:02    2378759

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "Utter childish comments at this stage lads - nobody has to agree on anything but at least be civil and not resort to constant digs and oneupmanship all the time.."
I agree, and I would also suggest that anybody who is against Bonner should put forth an alternative and justification as to why that alternative would be better.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 08/09/2021 12:47:29    2378761

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Replying To Commodore:  "I agree, and I would also suggest that anybody who is against Bonner should put forth an alternative and justification as to why that alternative would be better."
Exactly this doesn't seem to be about bonner the Donegal manager, it's a personal vendetta by two posters ever since Tyrone beat Donegal in the super 8 game.. asking them to name alternatives doesn't seem to work, they will mention Jim gavin Malachy o rourke and Jim Mc Guinness who are all no starters. The manager in my eyes has to be a Donegal man somebody with Donegal football at heart who will have a development squad in place which bonner has done to help ease the young lads into the senior squad. Something which an outside manager would not do as he doesn't care about Donegal football when he's gone.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 08/09/2021 15:49:27    2378827

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Replying To Commodore:  "I agree, and I would also suggest that anybody who is against Bonner should put forth an alternative and justification as to why that alternative would be better."
The answer to question...anyone...time for a freshing up...there always somebody out There, look at likes of lacey, mcguinness available again, malachy o Rourke to name a few.....county board need a vision in order for us to go forward...should have targetted someone and approached them with a plan to bring team forward...they know current set up is going nowhere like 90percent of supporters

marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 08/09/2021 17:13:34    2378844

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Replying To marty234:  "The answer to question...anyone...time for a freshing up...there always somebody out There, look at likes of lacey, mcguinness available again, malachy o Rourke to name a few.....county board need a vision in order for us to go forward...should have targetted someone and approached them with a plan to bring team forward...they know current set up is going nowhere like 90percent of supporters"
Declan Bonner did win back to back Ulster titles with us, he just hasn't been able to take us to the All Ireland challenger level, and he has made mistakes with team selections and subs etc, game management hasn't always been good. But right now I don't see anybody else within the County with anything on their CV to show they could do better. Anyone won't cut it, we had Rory Gallagher in charge for 3 years and he couldn't even win an Ulster title.

Regarding the potential replacements you noted as available again,

Karl Lacey has zero experiencing actually managing a team, he had played for Donegal during the McGuinness era and been a key member of the backroom team under Bonner, but right now he lacks the credentials as an actual manager. I know he has recently taken over a senior role of development within the County, and maybe in time he will prove his metal at management, I just don't think he has shown enough to justify such a massive move.

Jim McGuinness is proven at the top level, he is probably the only option we have with Senior All Ireland experience. However all indicators suggest he has no interest in going back into GAA, his focus is now making a career in Club soccer. Jim is also tight with Declan Bonner, and many of his 2014 backroom team have been part of Declan Bonners backroom team in recent seasons, so I could only see him considering it if Declan Bonner voluntarily decided to step down and there wasn't any obvious contenders.

Malachy O'Rourke is a manager I actually suggested here a few weeks ago as a potential replacement for Bonner if he stepped down, I have since learned that he is based in Ballygawley, Co Tyrone, so he is close enough to be considered. He helped Monaghan realise their maximum potential, if he could make Donegal reach their potential, we would be a scary proposition at All Ireland level for any team.

I believe some Club Managers and some of the 2012 All Ireland winning side have the potential to one day manage Donegal

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 09/09/2021 08:57:01    2378962

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Having had a few weeks to consider this, my feelings haven't really changed. Nothing against Bonner but it just felt like time for a change. However he does seem the best option at the moment as there are no suitable candidates. As Commodore has pointed out earlier, we have no pathway for developing young managers and coaches and that is something that should be looked at. Karl Lacey's appointment as head of our development squads is a real positive and there is some serious work being put in there at the moment.

It sounds like Bonner isn't going to change his backroom team, maybe a high profile addition would bring the fans back onside. Rory Kavanagh is another name that could be considered in a few years time. He has already won the Buncrana Cup with the u-16s and has a lot of coaching experience. Maybe Bonner should consider adding him to his coaching staff.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 09/09/2021 10:11:16    2378978

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Having had a few weeks to consider this, my feelings haven't really changed. Nothing against Bonner but it just felt like time for a change. However he does seem the best option at the moment as there are no suitable candidates. As Commodore has pointed out earlier, we have no pathway for developing young managers and coaches and that is something that should be looked at. Karl Lacey's appointment as head of our development squads is a real positive and there is some serious work being put in there at the moment.

It sounds like Bonner isn't going to change his backroom team, maybe a high profile addition would bring the fans back onside. Rory Kavanagh is another name that could be considered in a few years time. He has already won the Buncrana Cup with the u-16s and has a lot of coaching experience. Maybe Bonner should consider adding him to his coaching staff."
Going by today's paper bonner is shaking things up. Head coach is no 1 priority it says. who it is will be interesting. Rochford the paper says is wanted by the players and is keen to stay which is positive news. I said all along that if players weren't happy with management team that they would be gone. I'm damn sure bonner would have spoke to players since the Tyrone game. Bonner's comes across as a smart man who's in it for the right reason s.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 09/09/2021 11:40:21    2379019

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Going by today's paper bonner is shaking things up. Head coach is no 1 priority it says. who it is will be interesting. Rochford the paper says is wanted by the players and is keen to stay which is positive news. I said all along that if players weren't happy with management team that they would be gone. I'm damn sure bonner would have spoke to players since the Tyrone game. Bonner's comes across as a smart man who's in it for the right reason s."
not sure its a good sign if players want Rochford. Maybe he's too easy on them, maybe they're not being pushed enough. Donegal have achieved nothing since Rochford came on board, clearly his appointment hasn't worked. Everyone knows how Donegal will set up and play.
Looking at other top counties, they seem more tactically aware, they have coaches who are able to change things from game to game, small tactical things to give them an advantage.

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 474 - 09/09/2021 14:51:40    2379084

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Replying To greenfan:  "not sure its a good sign if players want Rochford. Maybe he's too easy on them, maybe they're not being pushed enough. Donegal have achieved nothing since Rochford came on board, clearly his appointment hasn't worked. Everyone knows how Donegal will set up and play.
Looking at other top counties, they seem more tactically aware, they have coaches who are able to change things from game to game, small tactical things to give them an advantage."
Maybe he's too easy on them , what kind of statement is that to make. Are you telling me players like Murphy who has win everything would want a coach in to be easy on them. Surprised at that statement these players give everything for Donegal football and to be accused of wanting an easy coach is absolutely mind boggling . Rochford has managed at the top level and we should be glad if we hold on to him. Maybe sometimes we should be looking at the players when things go wrong.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 09/09/2021 15:30:23    2379097

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Just a taught but would Tony Mc entee be an addition to declans backroom team.

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 160 - 09/09/2021 21:42:38    2379191

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Really doesn't matter who Comes in...rochford is best in business ...it has been proven that even with him we can't get to a semi ...manager needs changing....look at Kerry man lost an all ireland final on a replay and semi in extra time and they shipping him out....thats why I guarantee you they will win an all ireland in next 2 years and why I guarantee you we will be scrapping to beat likes of derry/Armagh in Ulster and probably losing...its ruthless down there but that's the reason they are winners and it accept the best

marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 09/09/2021 22:28:12    2379197

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Replying To Tyrion:  "Just a taught but would Tony Mc entee be an addition to declans backroom team."
You were taught in school, the word you're looking for is 'thought'

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 10/09/2021 00:24:48    2379215

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