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Replying To Commodore: "I agree, far too much made of the league match results and particularly the Monaghan goals.
However one thing that needs to addressed is our half back line, we can't field both Ryan McHugh and Peadar Mogan at the same time as having all of our half foward line and full forward line on the pitch, and not expect to get exposed defensively. We are too top heavy in attack, so usually if we are turned over, our full back line is badly exposed and it makes us look frail at the back.
I think Management should not be trying to fit these men all on the pitch, and instead focus on who they need on the pitch at the start and who can do damage from the bench later." Nah I think it is our full backs that are the problem.Over the years they have been so much used the protection of the blanket that they are unable to do a job if any way exposed at all.They are too scared to play or unable to play on the front foot.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1059 - 27/07/2021 13:59:35
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With any website doing rankings of intercounty teams, OTB, PunditArena etc had Donegal ranked 4th in the country for 2021. I would have us down to 7th for 2022. Donegal are at a junction. Do we continue the slide towards the team mentality and performances in the years before McGuinness came in? An abundance of great players, some good managers but players not sufficiently motivated. The alternative is to put the hearse in reverse and work to keep us at the top table consistently.
Too often this year we've heard Bonner, Murphy and fans talk about our best players being nullified by the opposition. Murphy, McBrearty, McHugh. The rest had to stand up. You would never hear Kerry, Dublin or Mayo having their top three players nullified against 3rd division opposition. There's something definitely wrong. I hear the excuse of it being impossible to stop runners with today's more expansive gameplan but I blame the lack of intensity, proper coaching and the right men in the right positions.
We seen McKaigue destroy McBrearty and he was practically anonymous vs Tyrone. Oisin Langan in his appearances this year was not threatening defences, probably due to not being up to the speed of the game after injury. Murphy didn't do anything in the inside forward line worth talking about this year. Brennan is hot and cold. Goes missing a lot but the ball into them tends to be rare due to our over reliance on handpassing over a good kickpass. Thompson, a brilliant talent was anonymous in the league and championship and should have been benched. Langan and Niall O Donnell did well this year.
My point is, maybe we're believing this crap the media roll out about 'Donegal having the best six forwards in the country' when we don't. We need a manager who isn't afraid of benching our top players when they don't deliver, that stops loading our bench with injured players who won't feature.
If Bonner is relying on putting injured players in the matchday 26 to spook the opposition and not naming your team until the last minute…it gives me the impression of a person who doesn't have a huge amount of faith in his own abilities as a manager.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 112 - 27/07/2021 16:52:57
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Can't understand why there isn't uproar among Donegal faithful supporters at the status quo on the senior managerial situation. Why isn't the county board,Mick McGrath and co up in arms at the senior show! Surely there must be some officers disgruntled at the farce that is the Donegal senior team, or is everyone happy with their couple of 'Ulsters' and not a trace of Croke Park. Bonner should be back in Doochary with his feet up, giving some one else a chance to make Donegal relevant again. With last years final to be played and this years champ. around the corner, time the the new man was given a chance to suss out some new talent!
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Michael Langan. People in Tyrone get this mixed up a fair bit.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 27/07/2021 19:43:39
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Replying To thelowball: "Can't understand why there isn't uproar among Donegal faithful supporters at the status quo on the senior managerial situation. Why isn't the county board,Mick McGrath and co up in arms at the senior show! Surely there must be some officers disgruntled at the farce that is the Donegal senior team, or is everyone happy with their couple of 'Ulsters' and not a trace of Croke Park. Bonner should be back in Doochary with his feet up, giving some one else a chance to make Donegal relevant again. With last years final to be played and this years champ. around the corner, time the the new man was given a chance to suss out some new talent!" Apart from Mc Guinness and mc Eniff he has two more ulster championships than the numerous so called great managers we had down the years. He'll probably go down in history as one of our most successful managers,was reading somewhere last year he has win every ulster title from u15 up. Some record. As for croke park, we're not good enough to be playing regularly in big matches in croke park. Get that sill y idea out of your head. By the way who would you like to replace bonner, I'm not expecting an answer.
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Really Rory, the good weather must have your head fried, especially when u tell me I am being silly in wanting to get to Croke Park to an all Ireland semi final with Donegal. Now ur salvitating at all Bonner has won, underage, senior etc. If anything he's cost Donegal more at under age than senior. Take ur pick! It's a no brainerthat he must go! And yes I will like any other poster on here put in my two cents as far as who should be considered for the job if available. McGuinness, O,Rourke, Regan, maybe Rockford if Bonner doesn't have him poisoned. Finally, Rory, why don't u take a trip stateside , see if we can get u Climatised. lol
thelowball (USA) - Posts: 400 - 28/07/2021 00:17:16
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Replying To rorysboys: "Apart from Mc Guinness and mc Eniff he has two more ulster championships than the numerous so called great managers we had down the years. He'll probably go down in history as one of our most successful managers,was reading somewhere last year he has win every ulster title from u15 up. Some record. As for croke park, we're not good enough to be playing regularly in big matches in croke park. Get that sill y idea out of your head. By the way who would you like to replace bonner, I'm not expecting an answer." I disagree, in my opinion we should be hitting Croke Park every year, that should be the minimum expectation.
Of course we have obstacles, we don't have the financial backing that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo have, but we are still well up there now in terms of players development and we do have a habit of producing superb players, if only we could produce superb management teams too.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 28/07/2021 08:44:31
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My point is, maybe we're believing this crap the media roll out about 'Donegal having the best six forwards in the country' when we don't. We need a manager who isn't afraid of benching our top players when they don't deliver, that stops loading our bench with injured players who won't feature.
If Bonner is relying on putting injured players in the matchday 26 to spook the opposition and not naming your team until the last minute…it gives me the impression of a person who doesn't have a huge amount of faith in his own abilities as a manager.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 27/07/2021 16:52:57
We don't have the best six forwards in the Country, I agree that is a ridiculous statement (Think David Clifford, Shane Walsh, Con O'Callaghan, Conor McManus, Dean Rock, Cathal McShane, Shane McGuigan etc), but we do have a fairly talented collective front six in comparison to most Counties outside of maybe Dublin and Kerry.
The problem is how do drop Ryan McHugh without a backlash, even though the top sides all can easily take him completely out of game now, in the 15 vs 15 man on man battles, most top sides basically view Ryan McHugh as a player that can easily be neutralized and whoever is on him will still get opportunities to roam up the pitch and score. Ryan shows well against the lower sides who run out of man markers after assign players to Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan, Langan etc, in those games he gets more room and we know he can be superb when off the leash.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 28/07/2021 09:28:02
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Replying To thelowball: "Can't understand why there isn't uproar among Donegal faithful supporters at the status quo on the senior managerial situation. Why isn't the county board,Mick McGrath and co up in arms at the senior show! Surely there must be some officers disgruntled at the farce that is the Donegal senior team, or is everyone happy with their couple of 'Ulsters' and not a trace of Croke Park. Bonner should be back in Doochary with his feet up, giving some one else a chance to make Donegal relevant again. With last years final to be played and this years champ. around the corner, time the the new man was given a chance to suss out some new talent!" The County Board would be better served focusing on the club scene. The amount of chopping and changing of fixtures at this stage is farcical. Turning more players away from the game than anything else.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 807 - 28/07/2021 09:29:53
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Replying To Commodore: "My point is, maybe we're believing this crap the media roll out about 'Donegal having the best six forwards in the country' when we don't. We need a manager who isn't afraid of benching our top players when they don't deliver, that stops loading our bench with injured players who won't feature.
If Bonner is relying on putting injured players in the matchday 26 to spook the opposition and not naming your team until the last minute…it gives me the impression of a person who doesn't have a huge amount of faith in his own abilities as a manager.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 27/07/2021 16:52:57
We don't have the best six forwards in the Country, I agree that is a ridiculous statement (Think David Clifford, Shane Walsh, Con O'Callaghan, Conor McManus, Dean Rock, Cathal McShane, Shane McGuigan etc), but we do have a fairly talented collective front six in comparison to most Counties outside of maybe Dublin and Kerry.
The problem is how do drop Ryan McHugh without a backlash, even though the top sides all can easily take him completely out of game now, in the 15 vs 15 man on man battles, most top sides basically view Ryan McHugh as a player that can easily be neutralized and whoever is on him will still get opportunities to roam up the pitch and score. Ryan shows well against the lower sides who run out of man markers after assign players to Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan, Langan etc, in those games he gets more room and we know he can be superb when off the leash." Ah here Ryan has turned up all the time.
Set up 2 points in the first quarter and was vital for the goal. If I am being critical, Tyrone did seem to target him in defence and got a few scores running hard at him, which is a first as he's usually one of our better defenders.
When you look at teams that can mark Ryan relatively well, it's mayo and Tyrone. Durcan had nullified every single person he's come up against and scores vs them too. Meyler is a quality player too, I would say Ryan edged their battle but to think people expect Ryan to be hitting 1-4 in most games is ridiculous.
Ryan has scored vital goals and points for us throughout and is a key player for us. Apart from the 2 teams mentioned above, I don't think there's any other players than can match Ryan in the country.
Donegal have played Ryan as a defender and told him to attack his man. (similar to mc caffrey, Durcan etc) and I still feel this is the best role for him. Stick him in the half forward line and the shoe is on the other foot, people like Durcan attack him and it can be counterproductive for us.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 28/07/2021 10:05:19
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Replying To Commodore: "My point is, maybe we're believing this crap the media roll out about 'Donegal having the best six forwards in the country' when we don't. We need a manager who isn't afraid of benching our top players when they don't deliver, that stops loading our bench with injured players who won't feature.
If Bonner is relying on putting injured players in the matchday 26 to spook the opposition and not naming your team until the last minute…it gives me the impression of a person who doesn't have a huge amount of faith in his own abilities as a manager.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 27/07/2021 16:52:57
We don't have the best six forwards in the Country, I agree that is a ridiculous statement (Think David Clifford, Shane Walsh, Con O'Callaghan, Conor McManus, Dean Rock, Cathal McShane, Shane McGuigan etc), but we do have a fairly talented collective front six in comparison to most Counties outside of maybe Dublin and Kerry.
The problem is how do drop Ryan McHugh without a backlash, even though the top sides all can easily take him completely out of game now, in the 15 vs 15 man on man battles, most top sides basically view Ryan McHugh as a player that can easily be neutralized and whoever is on him will still get opportunities to roam up the pitch and score. Ryan shows well against the lower sides who run out of man markers after assign players to Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan, Langan etc, in those games he gets more room and we know he can be superb when off the leash." In my opinion Ryan McHugh should be picked in the half forward line, he can drop back when we are not in possession. He is a class player and can take scores as good as any of our forwards. Eoghan Ban is another example of a player being picked in a position that does not suit him, we could see when he moved to the half back line against Tyrone in that second half what a great player he is.
Overall I do feel we have stalled in these past two years under Bonner and I'm not sure if he can progress the team any further. However there is no point getting rid of Bonner unless we have a good replacement. No team has a god given right to be in Croke Park every year but we have a talented squad of players and we should definitely be getting there most years.
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Replying To Commodore: "I disagree, in my opinion we should be hitting Croke Park every year, that should be the minimum expectation.
Of course we have obstacles, we don't have the financial backing that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo have, but we are still well up there now in terms of players development and we do have a habit of producing superb players, if only we could produce superb management teams too." no harm in having an opinion but a bit silly to say we should be in croke park every year. On what basis as I'm sick saying we don't have a strong enough defence to play in croke park. For the time being trying to win ulster is our only realistic hope and that s going to be difficult with Tyrone building momentum.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 28/07/2021 10:40:16
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Replying To Green_Gold: " Replying To Commodore: "My point is, maybe we're believing this crap the media roll out about 'Donegal having the best six forwards in the country' when we don't. We need a manager who isn't afraid of benching our top players when they don't deliver, that stops loading our bench with injured players who won't feature.
If Bonner is relying on putting injured players in the matchday 26 to spook the opposition and not naming your team until the last minute…it gives me the impression of a person who doesn't have a huge amount of faith in his own abilities as a manager.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 27/07/2021 16:52:57
We don't have the best six forwards in the Country, I agree that is a ridiculous statement (Think David Clifford, Shane Walsh, Con O'Callaghan, Conor McManus, Dean Rock, Cathal McShane, Shane McGuigan etc), but we do have a fairly talented collective front six in comparison to most Counties outside of maybe Dublin and Kerry.
The problem is how do drop Ryan McHugh without a backlash, even though the top sides all can easily take him completely out of game now, in the 15 vs 15 man on man battles, most top sides basically view Ryan McHugh as a player that can easily be neutralized and whoever is on him will still get opportunities to roam up the pitch and score. Ryan shows well against the lower sides who run out of man markers after assign players to Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan, Langan etc, in those games he gets more room and we know he can be superb when off the leash." In my opinion Ryan McHugh should be picked in the half forward line, he can drop back when we are not in possession. He is a class player and can take scores as good as any of our forwards. Eoghan Ban is another example of a player being picked in a position that does not suit him, we could see when he moved to the half back line against Tyrone in that second half what a great player he is. Overall I do feel we have stalled in these past two years under Bonner and I'm not sure if he can progress the team any further. However there is no point getting rid of Bonner unless we have a good replacement. No team has a god given right to be in Croke Park every year but we have a talented squad of players and we should definitely be getting there most years."
If we discovered a few out and out defenders, I do feel Ban would be suited to the half back line, until then, we need him as a man marker first of all.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 28/07/2021 10:41:48
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Replying To thelowball: "Really Rory, the good weather must have your head fried, especially when u tell me I am being silly in wanting to get to Croke Park to an all Ireland semi final with Donegal. Now ur salvitating at all Bonner has won, underage, senior etc. If anything he's cost Donegal more at under age than senior. Take ur pick! It's a no brainerthat he must go! And yes I will like any other poster on here put in my two cents as far as who should be considered for the job if available. McGuinness, O,Rourke, Regan, maybe Rockford if Bonner doesn't have him poisoned. Finally, Rory, why don't u take a trip stateside , see if we can get u Climatised. lol" I think stateside hasn't helped you too much, but as I said before your probably never left the old hills. The next Donegal manager will come down to who the players want not people like you. You must be out of touch if you think otherwise . I can't see bonner taking it, even though I hope he does but the man will still go out as a true legend. By the way are you still thinking of our best 6 defenders lol.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 28/07/2021 10:57:49
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Replying To TheRock2121: " Replying To Green_Gold: "[quote=Commodore: "My point is, maybe we're believing this crap the media roll out about 'Donegal having the best six forwards in the country' when we don't. We need a manager who isn't afraid of benching our top players when they don't deliver, that stops loading our bench with injured players who won't feature.
If Bonner is relying on putting injured players in the matchday 26 to spook the opposition and not naming your team until the last minute…it gives me the impression of a person who doesn't have a huge amount of faith in his own abilities as a manager.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 27/07/2021 16:52:57
We don't have the best six forwards in the Country, I agree that is a ridiculous statement (Think David Clifford, Shane Walsh, Con O'Callaghan, Conor McManus, Dean Rock, Cathal McShane, Shane McGuigan etc), but we do have a fairly talented collective front six in comparison to most Counties outside of maybe Dublin and Kerry.
The problem is how do drop Ryan McHugh without a backlash, even though the top sides all can easily take him completely out of game now, in the 15 vs 15 man on man battles, most top sides basically view Ryan McHugh as a player that can easily be neutralized and whoever is on him will still get opportunities to roam up the pitch and score. Ryan shows well against the lower sides who run out of man markers after assign players to Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan, Langan etc, in those games he gets more room and we know he can be superb when off the leash." In my opinion Ryan McHugh should be picked in the half forward line, he can drop back when we are not in possession. He is a class player and can take scores as good as any of our forwards. Eoghan Ban is another example of a player being picked in a position that does not suit him, we could see when he moved to the half back line against Tyrone in that second half what a great player he is. Overall I do feel we have stalled in these past two years under Bonner and I'm not sure if he can progress the team any further. However there is no point getting rid of Bonner unless we have a good replacement. No team has a god given right to be in Croke Park every year but we have a talented squad of players and we should definitely be getting there most years."
If we discovered a few out and out defenders, I do feel Ban would be suited to the half back line, until then, we need him as a man marker first of all."]You hit the nail in the head. If Donegal had good man markers do people honestly think eoin ban would be man marking. Eoin ban had a great second half against Tyrone when he got running but so did Mc curry when he left his man marking duties. It's a pity we hadn't a few eoin bans that's the level of player we need to be successful.
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Ah here Ryan has turned up all the time.
Set up 2 points in the first quarter and was vital for the goal. If I am being critical, Tyrone did seem to target him in defence and got a few scores running hard at him, which is a first as he's usually one of our better defenders.
When you look at teams that can mark Ryan relatively well, it's mayo and Tyrone. Durcan had nullified every single person he's come up against and scores vs them too. Meyler is a quality player too, I would say Ryan edged their battle but to think people expect Ryan to be hitting 1-4 in most games is ridiculous.
Ryan has scored vital goals and points for us throughout and is a key player for us. Apart from the 2 teams mentioned above, I don't think there's any other players than can match Ryan in the country.
Donegal have played Ryan as a defender and told him to attack his man. (similar to mc caffrey, Durcan etc) and I still feel this is the best role for him. Stick him in the half forward line and the shoe is on the other foot, people like Durcan attack him and it can be counterproductive for us.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 695 - 28/07/2021 10:05:19
No he has not turned up when it matters, Mayo 2019, Cavan 2020, Tyrone 2021, if you look at his stand out performances like in the Ulster final against Fermanagh, where he scored a fantastic goal or recently against Down, but aside from those matches against weaker opposition, he just doesn't bring it consistently.
If he is such a key player for Donegal, why is his form so hit and miss? A player of his stature should be a leader and driving us on, but he was nowhere to be found against Cavan in the 2020 Ulster final, when we needed leaders driving out of our defence to get the ball forward.
And its not that opposition focus on him as one of key players to mark anymore, Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan and Langan are higher up the threat pecking order now, so why he is so easily taken out of matches? Defensively he is weak, he might for the odd turnover, but he is beaten if any opposition player builds up a head of steam. We won't address our problems until this is addressed.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 28/07/2021 11:27:31
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Replying To Commodore: "Ah here Ryan has turned up all the time.
Set up 2 points in the first quarter and was vital for the goal. If I am being critical, Tyrone did seem to target him in defence and got a few scores running hard at him, which is a first as he's usually one of our better defenders.
When you look at teams that can mark Ryan relatively well, it's mayo and Tyrone. Durcan had nullified every single person he's come up against and scores vs them too. Meyler is a quality player too, I would say Ryan edged their battle but to think people expect Ryan to be hitting 1-4 in most games is ridiculous.
Ryan has scored vital goals and points for us throughout and is a key player for us. Apart from the 2 teams mentioned above, I don't think there's any other players than can match Ryan in the country.
Donegal have played Ryan as a defender and told him to attack his man. (similar to mc caffrey, Durcan etc) and I still feel this is the best role for him. Stick him in the half forward line and the shoe is on the other foot, people like Durcan attack him and it can be counterproductive for us.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 695 - 28/07/2021 10:05:19
No he has not turned up when it matters, Mayo 2019, Cavan 2020, Tyrone 2021, if you look at his stand out performances like in the Ulster final against Fermanagh, where he scored a fantastic goal or recently against Down, but aside from those matches against weaker opposition, he just doesn't bring it consistently.
If he is such a key player for Donegal, why is his form so hit and miss? A player of his stature should be a leader and driving us on, but he was nowhere to be found against Cavan in the 2020 Ulster final, when we needed leaders driving out of our defence to get the ball forward.
And its not that opposition focus on him as one of key players to mark anymore, Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan and Langan are higher up the threat pecking order now, so why he is so easily taken out of matches? Defensively he is weak, he might for the odd turnover, but he is beaten if any opposition player builds up a head of steam. We won't address our problems until this is addressed." Despite what you would like to see no manager,Bonner or any manager who might replace him if he decides to go will be stupid enough to drop one of the best players in the country.
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@Rory, Usual hypocritical rubbish out of u, maybe u and Bonner should take a run to Croke Park,what an atmosphere on semifinal or final day! U would have to admit it would be a major upgrade on Clones, Bonner needs a refresher, 92 great as it was long time ago.
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Replying To Commodore: "Ah here Ryan has turned up all the time.
Set up 2 points in the first quarter and was vital for the goal. If I am being critical, Tyrone did seem to target him in defence and got a few scores running hard at him, which is a first as he's usually one of our better defenders.
When you look at teams that can mark Ryan relatively well, it's mayo and Tyrone. Durcan had nullified every single person he's come up against and scores vs them too. Meyler is a quality player too, I would say Ryan edged their battle but to think people expect Ryan to be hitting 1-4 in most games is ridiculous.
Ryan has scored vital goals and points for us throughout and is a key player for us. Apart from the 2 teams mentioned above, I don't think there's any other players than can match Ryan in the country.
Donegal have played Ryan as a defender and told him to attack his man. (similar to mc caffrey, Durcan etc) and I still feel this is the best role for him. Stick him in the half forward line and the shoe is on the other foot, people like Durcan attack him and it can be counterproductive for us.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 695 - 28/07/2021 10:05:19
No he has not turned up when it matters, Mayo 2019, Cavan 2020, Tyrone 2021, if you look at his stand out performances like in the Ulster final against Fermanagh, where he scored a fantastic goal or recently against Down, but aside from those matches against weaker opposition, he just doesn't bring it consistently.
If he is such a key player for Donegal, why is his form so hit and miss? A player of his stature should be a leader and driving us on, but he was nowhere to be found against Cavan in the 2020 Ulster final, when we needed leaders driving out of our defence to get the ball forward.
And its not that opposition focus on him as one of key players to mark anymore, Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan and Langan are higher up the threat pecking order now, so why he is so easily taken out of matches? Defensively he is weak, he might for the odd turnover, but he is beaten if any opposition player builds up a head of steam. We won't address our problems until this is addressed." Who did stand up in them games you mentioned? Can you name 4 or 5 that did?
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 28/07/2021 13:15:27
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Replying To thelowball: "@Rory, Usual hypocritical rubbish out of u, maybe u and Bonner should take a run to Croke Park,what an atmosphere on semifinal or final day! U would have to admit it would be a major upgrade on Clones, Bonner needs a refresher, 92 great as it was long time ago." Keyboard warriors don't usually go to games so your next trip to croker will probably be your first. Next time you meet bonner you tell him how you feel. Don't be clapping him on the back lol.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 28/07/2021 13:41:04
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