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I'm with the Hermit on this one. Even at club level the yard stick is seniors that is all that matters, if you coach 14, 16 or minor sport your sole goal is get players at a certain level and progress them up the ladder and prep them for senior level. Same with intercounty minor, junior and U20 coaches are or have the role of development coach and their aim and role is again to progress players to a certain level ie senior level. So ya for me Clifford, Barry Sullivan, Seanie Se and Michael Burns stay at senior level and all other ex minors and over the last 3 years and there should be 50+ to choose from are at Jack O'Connors disposal.

All ex players over the 20 age bracket progress to the kerry junior panel under the Brosna man for guidance.

Hope Fitz doesn't revert to Darren, Buckely etc tmw. What do ye think?

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 22/03/2018 21:05:05    2087121

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Ya yer right lads I suppose they will learn more with the seniors than with the U20s, I just hope fitz uses them and there not warming the bench for the year, this year is gonna be write off anyway so might as well use it to blood the young lads like he's been doing with the league and like he should have done last year, and weed out a few more of the tried and failed.

iv never been this dejected or feeling so hopeless two months before a championship started in a long time if ever.

It's going to be a short year for which will be good for the pocket if not for the mind I suppose.

Llaw buddy I feel your pain as where I come from we're suffering from the old rural depopulation as well and it breaks my heart to know that my son will have to move east or emigrate to England or oz or Canada to make a life for him self, all that will be left out west in years to come will be old people as our ways and traditions are slowly becoming extinct .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/03/2018 21:35:46    2087127

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "I always felt Darran has not been used enough over the last few years when you see the amount of game time the likes of Mike Geaney and BJ Keane gets in comparison. I know these players get alot of doubters but im tired of it at this stage as i really feel they are nowhere near good enough from what I have seen year in year out.

It has cost us before and will cost us again with these selections.

IMO much more of a scoring threat running from deep and better on the ball then alot of players given central roles over fitzmaurices tenure.

His best days might be behind him now alright especially with the new players coming in. An impact sub again for Darran I would think."
Ky darran was so annoying in that he was nearly always injured, and it can happen speedsters that their hamstrings can cause them lots of problems. I don't think we ever got to see the best of him and he's one player who will probably look back at his football career with some regrets.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/03/2018 23:34:19    2087141

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya yer right lads I suppose they will learn more with the seniors than with the U20s, I just hope fitz uses them and there not warming the bench for the year, this year is gonna be write off anyway so might as well use it to blood the young lads like he's been doing with the league and like he should have done last year, and weed out a few more of the tried and failed.

iv never been this dejected or feeling so hopeless two months before a championship started in a long time if ever.

It's going to be a short year for which will be good for the pocket if not for the mind I suppose.

Llaw buddy I feel your pain as where I come from we're suffering from the old rural depopulation as well and it breaks my heart to know that my son will have to move east or emigrate to England or oz or Canada to make a life for him self, all that will be left out west in years to come will be old people as our ways and traditions are slowly becoming extinct ."
That's pretty depressing stuff lads. I think there will be big changes down the line in our game and how it's structured. Whether we like it up here or not. I do think it's at least 5-10 years before we hit that wall. All I can do now is enjoy the fact that we're thought of as up there with the great Kerry teams and there's still many old school battles ahead before all that lads. Not the time to throw your hat at it.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 23/03/2018 00:05:31    2087145

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya yer right lads I suppose they will learn more with the seniors than with the U20s, I just hope fitz uses them and there not warming the bench for the year, this year is gonna be write off anyway so might as well use it to blood the young lads like he's been doing with the league and like he should have done last year, and weed out a few more of the tried and failed.

iv never been this dejected or feeling so hopeless two months before a championship started in a long time if ever.

It's going to be a short year for which will be good for the pocket if not for the mind I suppose.

Llaw buddy I feel your pain as where I come from we're suffering from the old rural depopulation as well and it breaks my heart to know that my son will have to move east or emigrate to England or oz or Canada to make a life for him self, all that will be left out west in years to come will be old people as our ways and traditions are slowly becoming extinct ."
Jaysis kingdomboy would you cheer up, we are in the middle of integrating some of the best youngsters in the country in to the team off the back of four minor All Ireland's. We already have the backbone of a decent team in place with Murphy, Crowley, Morley, Barry, Geaney etc., and we put a proven fitness and conditioning guy in place over the winter. Most fans would kill to be where we are.

I get that you have no time for Fitzmaurice but he has managed the league exactly how we all wanted him to. What more can he do for now? Let's not assume he will be going back to the old guard. I don't think that is what he wants, and I don't see it happening.

We will have 5 new youngsters starting this year minimum, and more if they do the business in training. They were well beaten in training last summer by the older guys apparently, which would explain a lot. I have no trouble believing that given what we saw in Croker two weeks ago. Some of these guys have a long way to go yet and we need to be patient. The irony is Fitzmaurice will probably be driven out of the job just as these lads get to the required level, paving the way for Jack to come in and reap the benefits.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 23/03/2018 00:05:32    2087146

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Ah jeez kingdomboy it wont be that bad I think overall the league had a lot more positives than negatives a lot of young lads got game time which we all wanted even though its the league still those games will help in the long run. I know everybody was down after the Dublin game but I think we learned more in that game than the dubs did. Our young lads are coming along nicely and are growing into men to me they look bigger and stronger than last year and we need to let them grow but as I said before I'll be very disappointed if a few of the ol ones come back in. I was around in the late seventies and eighties and were depressing times but we had a dam good team but emigration in the late eighties and nineties took a lot of away but all of these young lads are in college and will graduate and hopefully will stay around.

chicago09 (Kerry) - Posts: 694 - 23/03/2018 01:44:10    2087154

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Ah ye'r right lads sure it's all good and I'm sure the management team can't keep making the same mistakes over and over again. I'm sure in future when the likes of foley enright and griffin are being destroyed during a game that they'll change something or that when we're drawing or losing a game we won't take off a scoring forward for a defender .

Nah I'm feeling good now I'm away more positive of our chances for the year ahead.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2018 10:52:36    2087201

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Replying To realdub:  "That's pretty depressing stuff lads. I think there will be big changes down the line in our game and how it's structured. Whether we like it up here or not. I do think it's at least 5-10 years before we hit that wall. All I can do now is enjoy the fact that we're thought of as up there with the great Kerry teams and there's still many old school battles ahead before all that lads. Not the time to throw your hat at it."
There needs to be serious investment and industry put in place around the west coast realdub but at the moment if it wasn't for tourism we'd be well f##ked but tourism is only seasonal then as well.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2018 11:15:19    2087214

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ah ye'r right lads sure it's all good and I'm sure the management team can't keep making the same mistakes over and over again. I'm sure in future when the likes of foley enright and griffin are being destroyed during a game that they'll change something or that when we're drawing or losing a game we won't take off a scoring forward for a defender .

Nah I'm feeling good now I'm away more positive of our chances for the year ahead."
In fairness to Kingdomboy, the Fitzmaurice leopard has not given any indication he can change his spots.
Time and again over the past three years he has made similar and critical mistakes at crucial times during massive games.

It's all well and good saying we got what we needed form the League and isn't it great all these young lads had a go, but what's the point of all that if the sideline isn't up to the task in the white heat of the Championship?

While I'm hopeful Fitzmaurice will trust more in youth this summer, Kingdomboy is making a fair point about the management team and their baffling sideline calls that have cost us an All-Ireland final in 2015 and two semi-finals in 2016 and 2017.

This isn't meant to be in anyway a personal attack on Fitzmaurice and the rest of the management, it's simply pointing out that they have not performed to the level required. 2014 brought Eamon a lot of credit but it well and truly spent now.
We cannot continue to have a man in charge who has shown no ability to learn from mistakes or fix glaring deficiencies in our game plan.

We cannot continue to excuse a management team which has presided over awful performances like the 2015 final or last year's replay. They are the only times in the past 10 years I remember a Kerry side going down without a fight.

Look, I'll be shouting myself hoarse at every game this summer but another bad defeat in a crucial game that Eamnon presides over and he should be moved along and let someone new have a go at turning the potential we have into solid success.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/03/2018 11:44:59    2087222

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Replying To TheHermit:  "In fairness to Kingdomboy, the Fitzmaurice leopard has not given any indication he can change his spots.
Time and again over the past three years he has made similar and critical mistakes at crucial times during massive games.

It's all well and good saying we got what we needed form the League and isn't it great all these young lads had a go, but what's the point of all that if the sideline isn't up to the task in the white heat of the Championship?

While I'm hopeful Fitzmaurice will trust more in youth this summer, Kingdomboy is making a fair point about the management team and their baffling sideline calls that have cost us an All-Ireland final in 2015 and two semi-finals in 2016 and 2017.

This isn't meant to be in anyway a personal attack on Fitzmaurice and the rest of the management, it's simply pointing out that they have not performed to the level required. 2014 brought Eamon a lot of credit but it well and truly spent now.
We cannot continue to have a man in charge who has shown no ability to learn from mistakes or fix glaring deficiencies in our game plan.

We cannot continue to excuse a management team which has presided over awful performances like the 2015 final or last year's replay. They are the only times in the past 10 years I remember a Kerry side going down without a fight.

Look, I'll be shouting myself hoarse at every game this summer but another bad defeat in a crucial game that Eamnon presides over and he should be moved along and let someone new have a go at turning the potential we have into solid success."
Ya the hermit, I mean we have no particular style after 6 years it's like we're caught between a load of different styles plus I can't believe after 4 years of winning minor titles we are now getting a strength and conditioning coach .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2018 14:26:22    2087262

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Strange side selected ok admittedly this is a dead rubber and giving game time to Moran Griffin but tell me what is the reasoning behind Buckley at 14.? Looking the forward 6 cannot see a high scoring game on our part. I don5 know getting slightly disillusioned by our side of late- we are not exactly nice to watch are we

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 23/03/2018 21:07:13    2087311

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Strange side selected ok admittedly this is a dead rubber and giving game time to Moran Griffin but tell me what is the reasoning behind Buckley at 14.? Looking the forward 6 cannot see a high scoring game on our part. I don5 know getting slightly disillusioned by our side of late- we are not exactly nice to watch are we"
It's s weird kind of s team really horse , looks more like a selection for a challenge match more than anything thing but it'l be interesting to see how they fare against Tyrone.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2018 21:34:25    2087317

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Strange side selected ok admittedly this is a dead rubber and giving game time to Moran Griffin but tell me what is the reasoning behind Buckley at 14.? Looking the forward 6 cannot see a high scoring game on our part. I don5 know getting slightly disillusioned by our side of late- we are not exactly nice to watch are we"
Cannot make any sense of that team really.

Will be interesting to see Griffen at 6 although I don't think it will suit him personally.

We'll be lucky to hit eight points with that full forward line. I wonder is it a dummy team? In a dead rubber what would be the point of that.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 23/03/2018 21:41:47    2087318

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Cannot make any sense of that team really.

Will be interesting to see Griffen at 6 although I don't think it will suit him personally.

We'll be lucky to hit eight points with that full forward line. I wonder is it a dummy team? In a dead rubber what would be the point of that."
If it was 15 years ago ya Griffin would be worth a look at 6 but the game has evolved and now the centre back is a ball player and serious reader as opposed to horse or bull man put in as a stopper.

Personally I don't think he will be suited to the position and of what I have seen Gavin Crowley is best suited to the role of 6. The more I read and think about it I wouldn't like to see Morley get a run at midfield

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 23/03/2018 22:11:24    2087324

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What sort of a full forward line is that????
But on the other hand, add Sean to that half forward line and it's what I'd like to see in the Championship.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/03/2018 22:23:17    2087329

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "If it was 15 years ago ya Griffin would be worth a look at 6 but the game has evolved and now the centre back is a ball player and serious reader as opposed to horse or bull man put in as a stopper.

Personally I don't think he will be suited to the position and of what I have seen Gavin Crowley is best suited to the role of 6. The more I read and think about it I wouldn't like to see Morley get a run at midfield"
Sorry typed that wrong I actually wouldn't mind seeing Morley get a run with Jack Barry in the centre

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 23/03/2018 22:23:18    2087330

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "If it was 15 years ago ya Griffin would be worth a look at 6 but the game has evolved and now the centre back is a ball player and serious reader as opposed to horse or bull man put in as a stopper.

Personally I don't think he will be suited to the position and of what I have seen Gavin Crowley is best suited to the role of 6. The more I read and think about it I wouldn't like to see Morley get a run at midfield"
Yes agree on Griffen, I think he is a full back or possibly wing back. Gavin Crowley will hopefully be the longer term solution at 6 and is very unlucky with that injury when he was flying.

I am glad Tom O'Sullivan is getting a run, albeit out of position in the corner. He is a very good footballer with pace to burn.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 23/03/2018 22:41:48    2087332

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Has Buckley ever even been put up in the FF line for Crokes?
As someone said above if this is just some kind of dummy team why would you go to that bother for a dead rubber game??
Still no sign of JOD even though they said last weekend he would be in contention for tomorrow.

I dunno, I was really hoping that with the finish of the League we all would have some sense of what our Championship 15 would be. Maybe Eamon and the rest know, but can't see how us supporters will have a clue who lines out for the Munster semi-final.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/03/2018 11:02:15    2087381

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Replying To TheHermit:  "What sort of a full forward line is that????
But on the other hand, add Sean to that half forward line and it's what I'd like to see in the Championship."
Ya it's going to be interesting to see Buckley at 14 , he's a good ball winner and knows where the posts are, I expect Stephen O'brien will move out to the half forward line with daithi and burns and Kevin Mac might try and sweep and pick up dirty ball.

I would love to see killian have the game of his life up front and give us another option as geaney seems to be gone a little off the boil and james can't seem to stay fit.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/03/2018 11:34:05    2087388

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Lads speaking of Killian's there is no mention of Killian Young. When EF mentions players returning or on the injury table he talks about James and Moran, Morley etc. there is never a mention of Killian Young what is his story did he line out with Renard yet does anyone know?

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 24/03/2018 21:02:54    2087544

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