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Replying To bernard3: "Just a quick question lads, did I read somewhere that Michael Geaney was dropped from panel a while back?? Am I out of touch??" Joined the panel late as he was traveling afaik.
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Ya Bernard that was touted a bi5 ago but it transpired he was in the US , this is a knock on effect of the closed doors policy, something gets half mentioned and then it just grows legs." Gavin Crowley is supposed to be out injured for a few weeks so that'll give Andrew Barry a chance to impress.
And ya Bernard there was roumors of Mikey being gone but like mark twain once said roumors of my demise have greatly exaggerated.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/02/2018 14:01:56
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Lads has anybody heard whether Kevin McCarthy is in trading with the panel? There were all sorts of rumours flying around about why he wasn't playing but I thought we might see him during the league. I really liked what I saw of him last year and would put him above some of the others that are getting regular game time tbh.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 17/02/2018 17:25:36
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Lads has anybody heard whether Kevin McCarthy is in trading with the panel? There were all sorts of rumours flying around about why he wasn't playing but I thought we might see him during the league. I really liked what I saw of him last year and would put him above some of the others that are getting regular game time tbh." I heard he's inside at training Gerry and like you I think he's very good and worth his place.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/02/2018 18:36:09
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WEll what a waste of €150 that trip to inniskeen was, lads to say we were inept would be an understatement both on the line and in the field, I could slate a lot of our players and management but there would be no point.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 18/02/2018 17:06:10
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "WEll what a waste of €150 that trip to inniskeen was, lads to say we were inept would be an understatement both on the line and in the field, I could slate a lot of our players and management but there would be no point." We were a shambles in the first half, no midfield at all, no plan in defence and no plan in attack. I thought we started to get a grip once Eanna came in and we were much better thereafter. Considering everyone missing I think a two point defeat isn't the end of the world.
I said a few pages back that if he throws all the young lads in this year we can expect some inconsistency and poor performances. I would love to know what instructions they got before the game though. There didn't seem to be any shape to Kerry at all in the first half. I wouldn't be getting too upset about the defeat itself but the management continues to set up poorly and then get forced into changes.
On the plus side, some of the youngsters continue to show they are ready, Burns, Shanahan, O'Beaglaoich, O'Shea and Clifford all did well again today and Eanna O'Conchuir was excellent when he came in. Paul Murphy was our best player as usual let's hope he can carry that forward to the summer. When everyone is back we'll have a far better panel than last year.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 18/02/2018 19:55:43
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We were very poor in the 1st half. Would have been nice to at least come away with a draw. U would think Sean a se has been on the panel for years. He has been brilliant for the last 3 games and has to be a starter come the championship. We have to throw these young lads in against Dublin and see how they get on. I think we might get dragged into a relegation battle but if we finish on 6 points it should be enough to stay up
aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 18/02/2018 20:37:04
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "We were a shambles in the first half, no midfield at all, no plan in defence and no plan in attack. I thought we started to get a grip once Eanna came in and we were much better thereafter. Considering everyone missing I think a two point defeat isn't the end of the world.
I said a few pages back that if he throws all the young lads in this year we can expect some inconsistency and poor performances. I would love to know what instructions they got before the game though. There didn't seem to be any shape to Kerry at all in the first half. I wouldn't be getting too upset about the defeat itself but the management continues to set up poorly and then get forced into changes.
On the plus side, some of the youngsters continue to show they are ready, Burns, Shanahan, O'Beaglaoich, O'Shea and Clifford all did well again today and Eanna O'Conchuir was excellent when he came in. Paul Murphy was our best player as usual let's hope he can carry that forward to the summer. When everyone is back we'll have a far better panel than last year." Well said Gerry you covered that perfectly emotions were high after the game , il have to do what horse does and stay off the forum till the brain calms down.
We could have won the game even though we wouldn't have really deserved it.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 18/02/2018 21:44:13
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Replying To aidan64: "We were very poor in the 1st half. Would have been nice to at least come away with a draw. U would think Sean a se has been on the panel for years. He has been brilliant for the last 3 games and has to be a starter come the championship. We have to throw these young lads in against Dublin and see how they get on. I think we might get dragged into a relegation battle but if we finish on 6 points it should be enough to stay up" Nail on the head there Aidan although if we can pick up 2 points from our 2 home games against either Galway or Kildare then we should be safe from relegation I'd say .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 18/02/2018 22:14:13
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Nail on the head there Aidan although if we can pick up 2 points from our 2 home games against either Galway or Kildare then we should be safe from relegation I'd say ." Ya im thinking the 2 points will come from the kildare game. Think galway are flying and might be too strong for us at the moment. Could get something away to tyrone but dont want to be in a position where we have to. Would like to see us run the dubs close. Will be a great experience for these young lads to put in a good performance in croker.
aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 18/02/2018 22:52:13
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Replying To aidan64: "Ya im thinking the 2 points will come from the kildare game. Think galway are flying and might be too strong for us at the moment. Could get something away to tyrone but dont want to be in a position where we have to. Would like to see us run the dubs close. Will be a great experience for these young lads to put in a good performance in croker." That's it Aidan we're coming up against a really tough youthful Galway team next Sunday who are flying it and the moment, comer is unreal and he'll take some watching, unfortunately it won't be a shootout like years gone by as Galway play a very strong blanket at this level and we still struggle against the blanket .
As for the dubs they are putting out very strong teams in the league so far and they won't hold back against us so our young fellas will get the test of all tests against them , I don't expect us to beat them but if our young snipes can go toe to toe with them and hold their own then that'll do for now, it's all a learning game at this stage.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/02/2018 09:08:48
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "WEll what a waste of €150 that trip to inniskeen was, lads to say we were inept would be an understatement both on the line and in the field, I could slate a lot of our players and management but there would be no point." What should management have done yesterday? Irespective of what you think of the management it is highly unlikely that they sent out the panel without structure or game plan is it? It may be the case that it didn't appear to be working all the time but some players are new, working under new systems and sometimes they will have to be given the freedom to figure things out themselves mid game without been over loaded with information on the line. It was OK to put in a performance against mayo/donegal but yesterday was a shambles doesn't make since. We all wanted new faces on the panel this year for their sake of the players and kerrys give them a break and have some patience.
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Replying To manintheterrace: "What should management have done yesterday? Irespective of what you think of the management it is highly unlikely that they sent out the panel without structure or game plan is it? It may be the case that it didn't appear to be working all the time but some players are new, working under new systems and sometimes they will have to be given the freedom to figure things out themselves mid game without been over loaded with information on the line. It was OK to put in a performance against mayo/donegal but yesterday was a shambles doesn't make since. We all wanted new faces on the panel this year for their sake of the players and kerrys give them a break and have some patience." I paid my money and gave up my Sunday to follow the team yesterday and I am more than entitled to my opinion and to give that opinion on here if I want, now that was my opinion as I was sitting in traffic outside grattan park yesterday and I admit that opinion came from the frustration that if we didn't give away so many silly frees and kickouts we could have won that game.
Now in the mean time I've calmed down and I have learned a lesson not to come on here to vent straight after a defeat and like horsebox in future il take a day or two to let it settle in first.
Since my original post iv come to realise that fitz must have had the boys training hard last week as that hard training would have been penciled in before the game had been rearranged for yesterday and that would explain the heavy legs our players showed in the first half.
As for patience I'm not blessed with it but it's something il work on now and in the future .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/02/2018 14:45:14
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I had a feeling when looking at the conditions and the slow wet pitch that we would need be in for a hard battle against a stronger more experienced team..
We never really got going in the first half, maybe the management had some heavy training scheduled for last week due to it being a free week as we seemed a bit heavy legged.
Bit harsh on Brendan to be called ashore so early as it could have been anyone really but we were struggling around the middle. Heartening to see the fightback in the second half, our 6 backs were impressive and more disciplined.
I have been very impressed with Shanahan so far but i remember him being impressive in last years league too but dont think he had much championship game time.
Exciting to see the progress of these young lads from game to game and certainly wont be easy picking the championship panel nevermind a starting 15. A long ways to go til then though.
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 19/02/2018 15:09:36
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Look a few of you are disheartened, but truth be told even with a full strength team you are going to struggle away from home sometimes. A few things came against us that were unpreventable.. firstly 2 long away trips in 7 days does not do anything for the body and is draining, the weather and heavy conditions were energy sapping and this unfortunately would suit the more seasoned campaigner not a light speedy team that we had selected, finally the lack of key personnel that have been the cornerstone of our displays to date, namely the midfielder Jack Barry/Barry Sullivan did not aid our cause.
Now while we can't dwell and get tied up on the unpreventable factors, there are also the preventable factors that came against us at the weekend. In a game where you are missing your primary ball winners at midfield one has to have a game plan or strategy to counter act this and play to ones strengths. It was obvious early doors that we were in trouble retaining our own kick outs in the first half but so, why was our keeper rushing the kick, slow it down and regroup and gather, I counted 3 or 4 that were just crazy, one hospital pass to Enright was just like handing a score and a second went over the end line.. in contrast Rory Beggen was A1… there are positives form Sunday. Again Shanahan was outstanding as was Foley once he settled, his pace is very deceptive. Outside them, again Brian o'Beagleacht and Paul Murphy were very very consistent and comfortable on the ball, unfortunately Jack's brother Andrew looked way off the pace which was surprising, what really shocked me was he looked lost or unsure, this lad has played most of his ball with Na Gaeil, Brendan's and Kerry Underage at 6 so he should have looked more composed.
The one man who really disappointed me and I hate singling out players but the Valentia man was just lost.. chasing shadows, just not at the races, I suppose that fact that Crowley was prob in from the cold a bit two didn't help. As a result we just struggled to win any form of primary possession in the first 20 minutes, we were miles of the breaks, taking the ball into traffic and just leaderless. In fairness Fitz acted fast enough and Enna came in after 20 minutes.. I'm telling you this west Kerry lad is well able for it, he was visibly demanding the ball, wanted to get things motoring and started to make in roads. Up front Seanie Se has again copperfastened my opinion of him, jesus why was he not utilised last year, Burns too is steely, and Paul Geaney is now a huge hug player for us. Savage was quiet as was BJ Keane even if he did pop up with a few scores.
The bonuses for me were the display in defence, the injection the team got when Enna and Clifford were introduced - what also was telling in my eyes, is Fitz's opinion on Casey, we were shy on midfielders - he decided on Brendan and Converted a back in Crowley in there, when in trouble Enna came in - the Crokes man is well down the pecking order, if one considers Moran, Maher, Buckley, Barry Sull, Jack Barry, Brendan Sull and Enna ahead of him????
Still look one has to take heart in the comeback and if it wasn't for Beggan making 2 saves and their 4th point being a wide as far as I could see (but open to correction here) we could have sneaked an unlikely and undeserved draw…
Up next an unbeaten Galway that also are FBD winners over the Rossies at the weekend…. One thing too our kickout needs work on serious work on but Murphy was unlucky for the penalty great tip to the ball to dispossess was unlucky here.
Next Sunday would love to see Gavin White get rolled out: If I was picking: Murphy, Shanahan, Foley, Begley, Murphy, Crowley, White, Barry Sull/Jack Barry, Burns, Seanie Sé, Enna O'Connchuir, Clifford, Geaney and Keane.
And ya K'boy hold the head first... emotions can be smoked or hazed over initially...
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 19/02/2018 16:16:05
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Look a few of you are disheartened, but truth be told even with a full strength team you are going to struggle away from home sometimes. A few things came against us that were unpreventable.. firstly 2 long away trips in 7 days does not do anything for the body and is draining, the weather and heavy conditions were energy sapping and this unfortunately would suit the more seasoned campaigner not a light speedy team that we had selected, finally the lack of key personnel that have been the cornerstone of our displays to date, namely the midfielder Jack Barry/Barry Sullivan did not aid our cause.
Now while we can't dwell and get tied up on the unpreventable factors, there are also the preventable factors that came against us at the weekend. In a game where you are missing your primary ball winners at midfield one has to have a game plan or strategy to counter act this and play to ones strengths. It was obvious early doors that we were in trouble retaining our own kick outs in the first half but so, why was our keeper rushing the kick, slow it down and regroup and gather, I counted 3 or 4 that were just crazy, one hospital pass to Enright was just like handing a score and a second went over the end line.. in contrast Rory Beggen was A1… there are positives form Sunday. Again Shanahan was outstanding as was Foley once he settled, his pace is very deceptive. Outside them, again Brian o'Beagleacht and Paul Murphy were very very consistent and comfortable on the ball, unfortunately Jack's brother Andrew looked way off the pace which was surprising, what really shocked me was he looked lost or unsure, this lad has played most of his ball with Na Gaeil, Brendan's and Kerry Underage at 6 so he should have looked more composed.
The one man who really disappointed me and I hate singling out players but the Valentia man was just lost.. chasing shadows, just not at the races, I suppose that fact that Crowley was prob in from the cold a bit two didn't help. As a result we just struggled to win any form of primary possession in the first 20 minutes, we were miles of the breaks, taking the ball into traffic and just leaderless. In fairness Fitz acted fast enough and Enna came in after 20 minutes.. I'm telling you this west Kerry lad is well able for it, he was visibly demanding the ball, wanted to get things motoring and started to make in roads. Up front Seanie Se has again copperfastened my opinion of him, jesus why was he not utilised last year, Burns too is steely, and Paul Geaney is now a huge hug player for us. Savage was quiet as was BJ Keane even if he did pop up with a few scores.
The bonuses for me were the display in defence, the injection the team got when Enna and Clifford were introduced - what also was telling in my eyes, is Fitz's opinion on Casey, we were shy on midfielders - he decided on Brendan and Converted a back in Crowley in there, when in trouble Enna came in - the Crokes man is well down the pecking order, if one considers Moran, Maher, Buckley, Barry Sull, Jack Barry, Brendan Sull and Enna ahead of him????
Still look one has to take heart in the comeback and if it wasn't for Beggan making 2 saves and their 4th point being a wide as far as I could see (but open to correction here) we could have sneaked an unlikely and undeserved draw…
Up next an unbeaten Galway that also are FBD winners over the Rossies at the weekend…. One thing too our kickout needs work on serious work on but Murphy was unlucky for the penalty great tip to the ball to dispossess was unlucky here.
Next Sunday would love to see Gavin White get rolled out: If I was picking: Murphy, Shanahan, Foley, Begley, Murphy, Crowley, White, Barry Sull/Jack Barry, Burns, Seanie Sé, Enna O'Connchuir, Clifford, Geaney and Keane.
And ya K'boy hold the head first... emotions can be smoked or hazed over initially..." Roscommon won fbd.we ll try keep da ball kicked out to ye next Sunday!
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Look a few of you are disheartened, but truth be told even with a full strength team you are going to struggle away from home sometimes. A few things came against us that were unpreventable.. firstly 2 long away trips in 7 days does not do anything for the body and is draining, the weather and heavy conditions were energy sapping and this unfortunately would suit the more seasoned campaigner not a light speedy team that we had selected, finally the lack of key personnel that have been the cornerstone of our displays to date, namely the midfielder Jack Barry/Barry Sullivan did not aid our cause.
Now while we can't dwell and get tied up on the unpreventable factors, there are also the preventable factors that came against us at the weekend. In a game where you are missing your primary ball winners at midfield one has to have a game plan or strategy to counter act this and play to ones strengths. It was obvious early doors that we were in trouble retaining our own kick outs in the first half but so, why was our keeper rushing the kick, slow it down and regroup and gather, I counted 3 or 4 that were just crazy, one hospital pass to Enright was just like handing a score and a second went over the end line.. in contrast Rory Beggen was A1… there are positives form Sunday. Again Shanahan was outstanding as was Foley once he settled, his pace is very deceptive. Outside them, again Brian o'Beagleacht and Paul Murphy were very very consistent and comfortable on the ball, unfortunately Jack's brother Andrew looked way off the pace which was surprising, what really shocked me was he looked lost or unsure, this lad has played most of his ball with Na Gaeil, Brendan's and Kerry Underage at 6 so he should have looked more composed.
The one man who really disappointed me and I hate singling out players but the Valentia man was just lost.. chasing shadows, just not at the races, I suppose that fact that Crowley was prob in from the cold a bit two didn't help. As a result we just struggled to win any form of primary possession in the first 20 minutes, we were miles of the breaks, taking the ball into traffic and just leaderless. In fairness Fitz acted fast enough and Enna came in after 20 minutes.. I'm telling you this west Kerry lad is well able for it, he was visibly demanding the ball, wanted to get things motoring and started to make in roads. Up front Seanie Se has again copperfastened my opinion of him, jesus why was he not utilised last year, Burns too is steely, and Paul Geaney is now a huge hug player for us. Savage was quiet as was BJ Keane even if he did pop up with a few scores.
The bonuses for me were the display in defence, the injection the team got when Enna and Clifford were introduced - what also was telling in my eyes, is Fitz's opinion on Casey, we were shy on midfielders - he decided on Brendan and Converted a back in Crowley in there, when in trouble Enna came in - the Crokes man is well down the pecking order, if one considers Moran, Maher, Buckley, Barry Sull, Jack Barry, Brendan Sull and Enna ahead of him????
Still look one has to take heart in the comeback and if it wasn't for Beggan making 2 saves and their 4th point being a wide as far as I could see (but open to correction here) we could have sneaked an unlikely and undeserved draw…
Up next an unbeaten Galway that also are FBD winners over the Rossies at the weekend…. One thing too our kickout needs work on serious work on but Murphy was unlucky for the penalty great tip to the ball to dispossess was unlucky here.
Next Sunday would love to see Gavin White get rolled out: If I was picking: Murphy, Shanahan, Foley, Begley, Murphy, Crowley, White, Barry Sull/Jack Barry, Burns, Seanie Sé, Enna O'Connchuir, Clifford, Geaney and Keane.
And ya K'boy hold the head first... emotions can be smoked or hazed over initially..." Aye horse I must learn to stay stum after a game, leave it a few hours or a day or so.
I thought Tom O'sullivan shored up the centre of our defense when he came in for Andrew Barry and I'd start Tom there the next day, especially if Gavin Crowley is still out.
Eanna was excellent when he came on although there were 2 occasions where David had got free of his marker and Eanna didn't sent the ball in, he needs to be less selfish in future.
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Murph, Tom Sullivan, o'beaglaoih.
Jack Barry, Eanna o'conichuir.
Burns , seanie Shea, daithi Casey.
Clifford, geaney, k Spillane.
I think speed will be key against a tight Galway blanket defense.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/02/2018 17:50:33
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Hoping to go down for the game on Sunday. Will have the missus and one year old daughter with me so want to make a weekend of it and stay Saturday night.
Anyone got any accommodation recommendations?
It can be anywhere in the county - I'm not fussed with it being near Tralee as we'll obviously have the car so can drive to the game on Sunday from wherever we stay.
Just looking for somewhere reasonably comfortable.
Thanks lads.
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Replying To galwayman2: "Hoping to go down for the game on Sunday. Will have the missus and one year old daughter with me so want to make a weekend of it and stay Saturday night.
Anyone got any accommodation recommendations?
It can be anywhere in the county - I'm not fussed with it being near Tralee as we'll obviously have the car so can drive to the game on Sunday from wherever we stay.
Just looking for somewhere reasonably comfortable.
Thanks lads." Well you'd have the manor hotel which is right beside the manor retail park on the outskirts which has its own swimming pool sauna and gym plus it's near the shops for the wife and McDonald's for your self and the rooms are comfortable and the food is good, prices should be reasonable this time of year as well.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/02/2018 19:48:48
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The Rose hotel too is very close just drive through the town if going to the field, the Brandon too does good deals and plenty parking and has the gym sports pool etc for kids the Brandon too or the rose are walking distance from aqua dome swimming complex and cinema - either way safe trip down and hope ye enjoy the stay
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 19/02/2018 22:39:32
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