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Is Dublin dominance good for football?

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Replying To arock:  "
Replying To Damothedub:  "[quote=GaryMc82:  "It's very possible that this is an exceptional era for Dublin. They may return to 1990s and 2000s levels in a few years. 1 or 2 all-irelands every 10 years. They'll always be competitive but mightn't always dominate.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:971 - 31/08/2017 18:13:49


I don't think the standards in Dublin will drop anytime soon, but the standards across the rest of Country will need to start improving in order to catch up. And not just on the field, but also off the field with game development and even management practice at County board level.
I'm not trying to add to the scaremongering over Dublin's recent success, I admire them, and think we should respect Dublin GAA for how organised they have become, how they have put really intelligent people in the right positions.

Dublin had a hard look at the likes of Kerry and Tyrone back about 8 or 9 years ago, and built an improvised road-map of their own, and now they are reaping the rewards."
It may be a different code but take a look on Sunday , I mean really take a look at the conditioning of the Galway and Waterford players , think of what it took to get them there on Sunday , think of the coaching from an early age , the fitness programmes which Dan the Man talked about at length this week.
The hours of practice to get to the skill level those lads are at .
Ask yourself two questions are those lads on Sunday any better or worse prepared than Dublin footballers ?
Secondly ask if those two counties can get to that elite level in that code what's stopping other counties from achieving it in football ?"
People are only interested in the quick fix, a sense that money NOW will fix NOW, it can't and anyone who coaches these games will know the fix is spread in steps over 5/10/15 year periods. You have to get organised with the right people first and follow a program its boring, no immediate return but the pay back when it comes is far more sustainable."]

FreeSpirit (UK) - Posts: 19 - 02/09/2017 16:46:34    2041861

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Arock

Very easy moralise about money when Dublin has been given over €25 million in funding since 2005, if it makes no difference why are the Dublin CB not willing to give a cent back?

FreeSpirit (UK) - Posts: 19 - 02/09/2017 16:48:19    2041862

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "It may be a different code but take a look on Sunday , I mean really take a look at the conditioning of the Galway and Waterford players , think of what it took to get them there on Sunday , think of the coaching from an early age , the fitness programmes which Dan the Man talked about at length this week.
The hours of practice to get to the skill level those lads are at .
Ask yourself two questions are those lads on Sunday any better or worse prepared than Dublin footballers ?
Secondly ask if those two counties can get to that elite level in that code what's stopping other counties from achieving it in football ?
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:4504 - 01/09/2017 13:33:10


To dominate Hurling and rival the likes of Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford, Galway, Clare, Cork etc requires a lot more technical skill development at underage and club level within the County, otherwise Dublin and Kerry would already be dominating due to significant recent investment in Hurling from both.

Whereas in football, Dublin were already at that top level of football in the mid to late 2000's and this added investment really just brought their already excellent systems that rivalled the other top sides in the Country to a superior level. Dublin started providing youngsters with a superior level of coaching at a very young age, and maintaining that high level of coaching the up through all of the grades.

Its not that players from other Counties can't reach those fitness levels, its that those counties aren't able to match the resources required to provide youngsters with the same level or standard of coaching up through all of the grades. So other counties aren't developing players to as high of a standard as Dublin, which is starting to become more apparent in the last 4 or 5 years."
Agreed.

I also think that the "why don't Dublin dominate hurling of money is so important?" retort is a bit of a red herring tbh. Dublin would be a lot more competitive at the top level if some their best hurlers didn't always opt for football when it came to the crunch. They've lost some serious talent over the years- Conal Keaney (at his peak), Ciaran Kilkenny, Shane Ryan, Diarmuid Connolly, Con O' Callaghan.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1489 - 03/09/2017 08:36:04    2042062

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Replying To Gleebo:  "
Replying To GaryMc82:  "It may be a different code but take a look on Sunday , I mean really take a look at the conditioning of the Galway and Waterford players , think of what it took to get them there on Sunday , think of the coaching from an early age , the fitness programmes which Dan the Man talked about at length this week.
The hours of practice to get to the skill level those lads are at .
Ask yourself two questions are those lads on Sunday any better or worse prepared than Dublin footballers ?
Secondly ask if those two counties can get to that elite level in that code what's stopping other counties from achieving it in football ?
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:4504 - 01/09/2017 13:33:10


To dominate Hurling and rival the likes of Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford, Galway, Clare, Cork etc requires a lot more technical skill development at underage and club level within the County, otherwise Dublin and Kerry would already be dominating due to significant recent investment in Hurling from both.

Whereas in football, Dublin were already at that top level of football in the mid to late 2000's and this added investment really just brought their already excellent systems that rivalled the other top sides in the Country to a superior level. Dublin started providing youngsters with a superior level of coaching at a very young age, and maintaining that high level of coaching the up through all of the grades.

Its not that players from other Counties can't reach those fitness levels, its that those counties aren't able to match the resources required to provide youngsters with the same level or standard of coaching up through all of the grades. So other counties aren't developing players to as high of a standard as Dublin, which is starting to become more apparent in the last 4 or 5 years."
Agreed.

I also think that the "why don't Dublin dominate hurling of money is so important?" retort is a bit of a red herring tbh. Dublin would be a lot more competitive at the top level if some their best hurlers didn't always opt for football when it came to the crunch. They've lost some serious talent over the years- Conal Keaney (at his peak), Ciaran Kilkenny, Shane Ryan, Diarmuid Connolly, Con O' Callaghan."
But Gleebo

Then the footballers wouldn't have been so good and won recent AI's

And all this talk wouldn't be happening

So your point is redundant

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18335 - 03/09/2017 09:26:17    2042071

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Thank heavens Cormac Costello went the football route aye Gleebo ;)

He's a fine hurler too

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18335 - 03/09/2017 10:53:47    2042086

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Thank heavens Cormac Costello went the football route aye Gleebo ;)

He's a fine hurler too"
Precisely- you can spare the likes of Dermo for the hurlers! ;)

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1489 - 04/09/2017 11:09:46    2042480

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