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lads i think we need vision dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 685 - 28/08/2017 22:24:47 2039687 Link
Replying To dickie10: "lads i think we need vision" Jaysus dickie..could you expand a little? Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 22:30:24 2039693 Link
i wonder where these players and brilliant mentors have come from to train all these dublin kids and make them become such a team. im going t guess it was the mass migration from the country to dublin during the 50s,60s and 70s and then the 80s and 90s. vast majority of dublin gaa people, not bandwagon fans. those who play an active role in gaa clubs are second or third generation country people. now what is happening in dublin is that people in thier 20s and early 30s are buying homes in meath and kildare. some of these are dubs but a huge amount are people from rosscommon,clare,mayo,leitrim,cavan etc. they went to dublin to college and got work in professional sectors. many want to live in dublin suburbs, which are now naas,trim,dunboyne,maynooth,ratoath etc. not actually co.dublin. these people actually have a fear of having thier kids grow up as dubs. they live in meath and kildare because it is rural but also suburban greater dublin. i think this will lead to meath and kildare becoming stronger and dublin perhaps slowly declineing even if it is slowly. has this evolution of a city ever happened in other examples? i believe it has and as dublin becomes a huge megaloith of a city, it may become outpriced to the average even professional worker or high end IT worker. dublin city centre could become much like the city of london, populated only by embassies and banking and finanacial hedquaters. with accomadation only accessable to very few super high earners. dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 685 - 28/08/2017 22:35:33 2039701 Link
Replying To Laois76: "A scandal? Is the gaa not a democratic organisation whereby all counties are represented at the Annual Congress where decisions are made and so forth. As we stand Dublin have put back to back all-irelands in senior football. Kerry did that a decade ago and no one called it a scandal. Maybe my eyes deceived me yesterday but Derry beat Dublin to make the all-ireland minor final and Roscommon, a small rural county, and Tyrone played in the U17 football final. Your own county is big enough to cater for both codes but seem to be badly managed in football i feel. Eamonn O'Hara's rant about Kevin Walsh had a ring of truth to it. The all-ireland final between Mayo and Dublin has to be played yet. Tyrone were very poor yesterday. Once the goal was scored they stayed in their defence shell like Donegal do. Dublin players hadn't a hand laid on them for the majority of the game." Fantastic response to yet another poorly thought badly researched rant.Fairplay Laois lad Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/08/2017 22:49:46 2039712 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Why did nobody care in 2014 when Dublin had won 9 of the last 10 leinsters? How do you think counties in leinster feel? It's now 13/14 leinsters and next year it will be 14/15. I love how nobody cared about Dublin dominance when it just affected leijste the but you all care now. the reality is we seen what happens. In hurling kilkenny dominated and attendances plummeted. Now that it's competitive again they've exploded. Same will happen with football. Leinster championship attendances have plummeted and all Ireland attendances will too if Dublin continue to dominate." ah good ole jack, like a broken down record, superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 28/08/2017 23:09:27 2039721 Link
I don't get this talk of "Dublin dominance". Mayo took them to a replay in the 2015 semi-final and they beat Kerry by only 3 points in the final (reffed by Dublin-based Coldrick). In 2016 Dublin overcame Kerry by 2 points in a titanic semi-final (reffed controversially - to put it mildly - by Dublin-based Gough). And, in the Final, Mayo took Dublin to a replay which Dublin won by a mere point. I might add that the ref missed a pick off the ground by, I think, Bastick from a short Cluxton kick out in the final minutes of the game; this was highlighted by Peter Canavan on Sky but, strangely, not picked up by the Dublin media. So, all these games were extraordinarily close and hence I have some difficulty identifying the "Dublin Dominance". Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 28/08/2017 23:50:08 2039744 Link
(i think London should be restricted to one premiership soccer team I think 2 ulster teams should never be allowed to play an all Ireland final against each other I think the gaa shouldn't be on sky tv I don't think foreign sports should be played in croke park) things change....things have changed county boundaries are completely arbitrary....some say they were a British invention this years football championship has been v poor Dublin need the rest of the country more than the rest of the country needs Dublin.. Would a Kerry V Mayo All Ireland Final have made a better spectacle than the impending Mayo annihilation? Yes. Dublin is too big for one team....I know...I live in Beaumont It won't happen for a while....but it will have to happen....and when 2 Dublin teams compete in an all Ireland final people will think it daft that it wasn't ever thus. And the rivalry & competition between those 2 teams will be intense. Does anybody even remember how recently we used to talk about a top 6 or top 8 teams? I mean Dublin fans don't want to watch Super 8 matches being played out in Croke Park with no opposition fans present. And to those who suggest that money will mean it won't happen. The truth is that money and TV will eventually demand it. markesmith (Tyrone) - Posts: 14 - 29/08/2017 00:58:20 2039757 Link
i have question for all you people complaing what dublin have won or about to winhow many all irelands have dublin won in the last40 years how many all irelands have kerry wonin the last 40 years meath tyrone cork down was dublin just built in the last 10 years did money make frank mc guigan peter canavan sean cacana great footballer money dose not make a man a great player so why are so many clowns complaing about dublin p.rafferty (Tyrone) - Posts: 1 - 29/08/2017 02:54:44 2039783 Link
Replying To dickie10: "i wonder where these players and brilliant mentors have come from to train all these dublin kids and make them become such a team. im going t guess it was the mass migration from the country to dublin during the 50s,60s and 70s and then the 80s and 90s. vast majority of dublin gaa people, not bandwagon fans. those who play an active role in gaa clubs are second or third generation country people. now what is happening in dublin is that people in thier 20s and early 30s are buying homes in meath and kildare. some of these are dubs but a huge amount are people from rosscommon,clare,mayo,leitrim,cavan etc. they went to dublin to college and got work in professional sectors. many want to live in dublin suburbs, which are now naas,trim,dunboyne,maynooth,ratoath etc. not actually co.dublin. these people actually have a fear of having thier kids grow up as dubs. they live in meath and kildare because it is rural but also suburban greater dublin. i think this will lead to meath and kildare becoming stronger and dublin perhaps slowly declineing even if it is slowly. has this evolution of a city ever happened in other examples? i believe it has and as dublin becomes a huge megaloith of a city, it may become outpriced to the average even professional worker or high end IT worker. dublin city centre could become much like the city of london, populated only by embassies and banking and finanacial hedquaters. with accomadation only accessable to very few super high earners." Very interesting post Dickie. ttbwhacker (Carlow) - Posts: 57 - 29/08/2017 06:56:34 2039792 Link
In actual fact i'd argue Dublin's defeat of defensive setups like Donegal 2016 and Tyrone on Sunday is very good for the game. Patience, skill and tactical nous in breaking down the blanket won out on Sunday. If Tyrone had won their tactics would be copied up and down the country at club level. Now teams will try and add width, guile, pace and more skill to their football. 9 years ago Kerry looked unbeatable with the twin towers of Donaghy and Tommy Walsh upfront. Tyrone looked past it and were struggling through the qualifiers, then on a wet Saturday, August 16, Tyrone took off and brushed Dublin aside in the all ireland quarter final. They beat Wexford in the semi and the rest is history. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 29/08/2017 07:04:06 2039794 Link
Replying To bulmccabe: "yes I realise what's going on in Dublin, but i'm also well aware of what's going on up in garvaghy's windfarm and the resources that are given to the tyrone senior footballers and the backroom team that's half of the footballers in numbers" Tyrone will never come anywhere near Dublin in terms of what's going on. Are tyrone a third string getting "rewarded" for not going to the states for the summer? No? I didn't think so mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 29/08/2017 08:52:08 2039822 Link
A pro player used to have 3 advantages: (1) professional training; (2) professional nutrition; and (3) plenty of rest. Professional amounts of rest periods make a difference, not just to energy levels but also to how often and how effectively repeat training sessions can be scheduled. I'd say most of the better inter-county teams are there or thereabouts on aspects 1 and 2. However, anybody in a job will struggle with aspect 3. Once you have counties able to financially support players who are not working, or not working long hours, then the inter-county game really has become professional. That's where it's headed. Once a team can afford to do that, and it gives a team that critical final 5 to 10 % in conditioning, then other counties have try and match it. Or give up. And this largely goes back to money. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 29/08/2017 09:03:08 2039829 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Why did nobody care in 2014 when Dublin had won 9 of the last 10 leinsters? How do you think counties in leinster feel? It's now 13/14 leinsters and next year it will be 14/15. I love how nobody cared about Dublin dominance when it just affected leijste the but you all care now. the reality is we seen what happens. In hurling kilkenny dominated and attendances plummeted. Now that it's competitive again they've exploded. Same will happen with football. Leinster championship attendances have plummeted and all Ireland attendances will too if Dublin continue to dominate." Again we were all ignored cause it wasn't Tyrone Donegal Kerry. The faux praise from carney this year during Leinster final was disgraceful towards Kildare, I know a few of them bought it but majority did not. Truth is Kildare Meath Westmeath laoise don't matter. It was a Leinster problem. I said it before Dublin are professional in all but name. No one should change that. Other counties should be financed to the exact same amount, and I don't trust individual cb to do it properly so must be properly done by hq. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/08/2017 10:36:36 2039917 Link
Replying To dickie10: "i wonder where these players and brilliant mentors have come from to train all these dublin kids and make them become such a team. im going t guess it was the mass migration from the country to dublin during the 50s,60s and 70s and then the 80s and 90s. vast majority of dublin gaa people, not bandwagon fans. those who play an active role in gaa clubs are second or third generation country people. now what is happening in dublin is that people in thier 20s and early 30s are buying homes in meath and kildare. some of these are dubs but a huge amount are people from rosscommon,clare,mayo,leitrim,cavan etc. they went to dublin to college and got work in professional sectors. many want to live in dublin suburbs, which are now naas,trim,dunboyne,maynooth,ratoath etc. not actually co.dublin. these people actually have a fear of having thier kids grow up as dubs. they live in meath and kildare because it is rural but also suburban greater dublin. i think this will lead to meath and kildare becoming stronger and dublin perhaps slowly declineing even if it is slowly. has this evolution of a city ever happened in other examples? i believe it has and as dublin becomes a huge megaloith of a city, it may become outpriced to the average even professional worker or high end IT worker. dublin city centre could become much like the city of london, populated only by embassies and banking and finanacial hedquaters. with accomadation only accessable to very few super high earners." Dickie the only problem is that the parents of these kids do not want them to have anything to do with Meath or Kildare football. This is already evident. If he reads this waynol would you encourage your children (future or otherwise) to play football for Meath, now I know their club would be cilles as you other end of county, honest question man , not having a go. What's more I'll add my twopence, I live in Westmeath I am married to a dub, my children are pure Meath fanatics all the jersey,gear etc . If any of them good enough they will play for Meath not Westmeath or Dublin. That's my point. Look at young deegan he would already be on Meath panel but has chosen to bide his time waiting on Dublin call up. Sometimes it's where your heart is that matters. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/08/2017 11:12:53 2039936 Link
Credit where credit is due Dublin are a fantastic side the likes of which I have not witnessed better. But is their dominance good for the game? The answer is no. The decline of the Leinster championship is proof of this. People have mentioned that things go in roundabouts using Kerry teams and the Kilkenny hurlers as examples. But those were different times. The introduction of the Super 8 is really going to benefit the Dublin's of this world. On the off chance someone does cause a shock against them they will be able to regroup and know they will have another chance. Also the introduction of the U-20 championship to replace the U-21 championship and the rule barring players on the U-20 squad being involved with their seniors really only benefits one or 2 sides. For example when Westmeath had their underage success this was the catalyst for their first Leinster championship could this happen now with these new rules? Highly unlikely as any young promising player will be brought into the seniors and only a couple of sides can afford not to do this including Dublin. Is this good for the game as a whole? I don't think it is but the reality is that those who make the decisions seem happy for it to go this way. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 29/08/2017 13:13:45 2040034 Link
Replying To dickie10: "i wonder where these players and brilliant mentors have come from to train all these dublin kids and make them become such a team. im going t guess it was the mass migration from the country to dublin during the 50s,60s and 70s and then the 80s and 90s. vast majority of dublin gaa people, not bandwagon fans. those who play an active role in gaa clubs are second or third generation country people. now what is happening in dublin is that people in thier 20s and early 30s are buying homes in meath and kildare. some of these are dubs but a huge amount are people from rosscommon,clare,mayo,leitrim,cavan etc. they went to dublin to college and got work in professional sectors. many want to live in dublin suburbs, which are now naas,trim,dunboyne,maynooth,ratoath etc. not actually co.dublin. these people actually have a fear of having thier kids grow up as dubs. they live in meath and kildare because it is rural but also suburban greater dublin. i think this will lead to meath and kildare becoming stronger and dublin perhaps slowly declineing even if it is slowly. has this evolution of a city ever happened in other examples? i believe it has and as dublin becomes a huge megaloith of a city, it may become outpriced to the average even professional worker or high end IT worker. dublin city centre could become much like the city of london, populated only by embassies and banking and finanacial hedquaters. with accomadation only accessable to very few super high earners." Dickie the only problem is that the parents of these kids do not want them to have anything to do with Meath or Kildare football. This is already evident. If he reads this waynol would you encourage your children (future or otherwise) to play football for Meath, now I know their club would be cilles as you other end of county, honest question man , not having a go. What's more I'll add my twopence, I live in Westmeath I am married to a dub, my children are pure Meath fanatics all the jersey,gear etc . If any of them good enough they will play for Meath not Westmeath or Dublin. That's my point. Look at young deegan he would already be on Meath panel but has chosen to bide his time waiting on Dublin call up. Sometimes it's where your heart is that matters. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/08/2017 14:33:04 2040111 Link
Replying To essmac: "A pro player used to have 3 advantages: (1) professional training; (2) professional nutrition; and (3) plenty of rest. Professional amounts of rest periods make a difference, not just to energy levels but also to how often and how effectively repeat training sessions can be scheduled. I'd say most of the better inter-county teams are there or thereabouts on aspects 1 and 2. However, anybody in a job will struggle with aspect 3. Once you have counties able to financially support players who are not working, or not working long hours, then the inter-county game really has become professional. That's where it's headed. Once a team can afford to do that, and it gives a team that critical final 5 to 10 % in conditioning, then other counties have try and match it. Or give up. And this largely goes back to money." Very good post. I think anybody who doesn't think money matters in sport is fooling themselves, even an amateur sport like gaelic. Donegal lost one of their All-Ireland winning team to emigration, Ryan Bradley, he couldn't get a job at home. I doubt that would be allowed to happen in the top counties. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 29/08/2017 15:48:38 2040172 Link
It is great to see football thriving in Dublin as it is not that long ago when it was not. We just need to be careful that the dubs do not get so far ahead of the pack that things become counter productive. We would not want to see the crowds drop off but people will simply not attend if the outcome of a game is very predictable (lenister championship an example). We gaels at the start of a year want to believe that a number of counties can win an AI. We love tight tense championship matches and it is healthy competition if success is spread around the island. downtothecore (Down) - Posts: 349 - 29/08/2017 16:36:06 2040222 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "Very good post. I think anybody who doesn't think money matters in sport is fooling themselves, even an amateur sport like gaelic. Donegal lost one of their All-Ireland winning team to emigration, Ryan Bradley, he couldn't get a job at home. I doubt that would be allowed to happen in the top counties." Dublin best full back in years hasn't played the last two years due to career requirements. Marse (Dublin) - Posts: 217 - 29/08/2017 18:58:27 2040317 Link
What will the posters be saying if Mayo beat Dublin? galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 29/08/2017 19:19:09 2040321 Link