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Should James Owens be sanctioned?

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James Owens says he saw the Austin Gleeson incident. That implies he decided to ignore the rules of the game. I'd say Cork fans are particularly annoyed.

Should a referee face consequences for ignoring rules???

In my opinion yes. That is their sole function. Any ref can make a mistake bit to admit he saw it but did nothing??

Where does this end??

Mayonman (Galway) - 15/08/2017 18:46:05    2033791

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I think he should be given a medal for standing up for what's right and sensible. The rule is rubbish. No one deserves to be automatically sent off for pulling a helmet.

bloodyban (Limerick) - 15/08/2017 19:01:04    2033798

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I guess that's up to the referees assessor. I think you can get demoted for poor performances.

I watched the game back and that incident aside I thought he was a bit easier on Cork than Waterford. He gave Cork some highly contentious frees.

Other frees that I thought were harsh against Waterford on first view were really good spots by Owens.

Overall he did a good job. To the letter of the law Gleeson on Meade was a red card and it was missed. He had his linesman with him (Gavin possibly or McGrath) and he missed it too.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - 15/08/2017 19:05:02    2033802

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Replying To Mayonman:  "James Owens says he saw the Austin Gleeson incident. That implies he decided to ignore the rules of the game. I'd say Cork fans are particularly annoyed.

Should a referee face consequences for ignoring rules???

In my opinion yes. That is their sole function. Any ref can make a mistake bit to admit he saw it but did nothing??

Where does this end??"
Should the linesman DC "patted" be suspended for not calling the refs attention to it at the time? Seeing as it was so egregious and all......

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 15/08/2017 19:15:47    2033809

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Replying To Mayonman:  "James Owens says he saw the Austin Gleeson incident. That implies he decided to ignore the rules of the game. I'd say Cork fans are particularly annoyed.

Should a referee face consequences for ignoring rules???

In my opinion yes. That is their sole function. Any ref can make a mistake bit to admit he saw it but did nothing??

Where does this end??"
He's in an invidious position when his word decided if Austin Gleeson plays in or misses an All-Ireland Final.I can understand why Owens has acted as he has.The Gaa has to look against at it's disciplinary and suspension policies.

endgame (Roscommon) - 15/08/2017 19:18:50    2033813

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Replying To Mayonman:  "James Owens says he saw the Austin Gleeson incident. That implies he decided to ignore the rules of the game. I'd say Cork fans are particularly annoyed.

Should a referee face consequences for ignoring rules???

In my opinion yes. That is their sole function. Any ref can make a mistake bit to admit he saw it but did nothing??

Where does this end??"
I would say that it brings the GAA into serious disrepute, only that they have been in that place a long, long time.

Midleton (Cork) - 15/08/2017 19:36:05    2033824

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looking at the photo on the home page how can anyone say the rule about helmet interference is stupid or wrong,look how close Gleesons fingers are to the Cork players eye,he could have done serious damage,a poster said in trying to make out it wasnt too bad by saying the straps were open is also proved wrong,it should always remain a red card offence,the problem now is how can Owens ever send off player for the same offence,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - 15/08/2017 19:41:17    2033827

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Replying To endgame:  "He's in an invidious position when his word decided if Austin Gleeson plays in or misses an All-Ireland Final.I can understand why Owens has acted as he has.The Gaa has to look against at it's disciplinary and suspension policies."
No he's not. Tell the truth. Players actions decide if he's suspended.

As I said refs can make mistakes, actually it would not be normal if they didn't. We have to accept that.

Even the most strident Waterford supporter would probably admit what Gleeson did was stupidity of the highest order.

Mayonman (Galway) - 15/08/2017 20:18:30    2033845

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Replying To endgame:  "He's in an invidious position when his word decided if Austin Gleeson plays in or misses an All-Ireland Final.I can understand why Owens has acted as he has.The Gaa has to look against at it's disciplinary and suspension policies."
The referee is there to apply the rules,its not his job to decide whether a player plays in AI or not.

mooncat (Kilkenny) - 15/08/2017 20:19:39    2033846

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Replying To mooncat:  "The referee is there to apply the rules,its not his job to decide whether a player plays in AI or not."
Ref didn't apply the rules!!! If he saw the incident it was a red card. If he didn't see it he should have handed it over to the CCC to make judgement. The GAA Rules and the applications of the rules and a complete joke.

Molaise (Fermanagh) - 15/08/2017 20:50:07    2033859

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Replying To Molaise:  "Ref didn't apply the rules!!! If he saw the incident it was a red card. If he didn't see it he should have handed it over to the CCC to make judgement. The GAA Rules and the applications of the rules and a complete joke."
thats my point

mooncat (Kilkenny) - 15/08/2017 20:52:13    2033861

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The whole thing stinks to be honest. I would be in favour of abandoning video evidence altogether and just leave it to what hapoens on the day. At least youd have consistency then

Malonemagic (Laois) - 15/08/2017 20:53:26    2033863

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Bad rule to begin with. Sets everyone up for a dirty kicking because there is no provision for severity of the foul. Simple a yellow card. However if the player is seriously injured and can not continue a red (that is automatic one game). If you really want to punish no return until the injured player is declared fit.

Gleeson's mule head behaviour as bad as it looked was not worse than other incidents in the game. No one injured like Kevin Moran. The belt in the testicles to Moran, the kicking of Barron and the hurley into Conor Gleeson's kidneys the reason for his tap on the legs to Horgan. However these have no sensational results for the pundits and t.v. replays.

Pundits need to adjust their behaviour because they are becoming annoying. It is fine to state why a player is getting sent off but refrain from adjudicating. These pundit were big names in the game with county bias and it is a lie to say that they have not influenced a hearing.

If Tadgh who never pulls a mean stroke was from Clare he should be very upset to how he was treated for handing off a player who was interfering with him. This compared to the other cases. Upsetting his family until 2 a.m. in the morning 2 days before the game. The GAA got 5 or 6 million on the backs of these amateurs the last two weeks. All infractions should be dealt with with 24 hours. 3 people with 2 ordinates.

Canuck (Waterford) - 15/08/2017 21:01:42    2033872

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Replying To Mayonman:  "James Owens says he saw the Austin Gleeson incident. That implies he decided to ignore the rules of the game. I'd say Cork fans are particularly annoyed.

Should a referee face consequences for ignoring rules???

In my opinion yes. That is their sole function. Any ref can make a mistake bit to admit he saw it but did nothing??

Where does this end??"
Spot on, if he saw it & implemented the rule Cork would have been playing v 14 from early on. The fact that he saw it & didn't act shows he is not up to the standard & after tonight's decision, nor are the CCCC.

moc.dna (Galway) - 15/08/2017 21:05:33    2033875

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Replying To mooncat:  "looking at the photo on the home page how can anyone say the rule about helmet interference is stupid or wrong,look how close Gleesons fingers are to the Cork players eye,he could have done serious damage,a poster said in trying to make out it wasnt too bad by saying the straps were open is also proved wrong,it should always remain a red card offence,the problem now is how can Owens ever send off player for the same offence,"
Every time a player pulls on the ball around other players heads or legs constitutes a danger. What about the shot in the testicles to Moran who was actually injured rather than speculation to what could have happened to the Cork player ? Your famous Tommy was the expert on helmet interference as he perfected it.

Canuck (Waterford) - 15/08/2017 21:09:30    2033881

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "The whole thing stinks to be honest. I would be in favour of abandoning video evidence altogether and just leave it to what hapoens on the day. At least youd have consistency then"
Not a bad idea. Can't use it when it suits. Either use it fairly for all or don't use it at all!!!

Molaise (Fermanagh) - 15/08/2017 21:12:14    2033883

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Replying To Canuck:  "Every time a player pulls on the ball around other players heads or legs constitutes a danger. What about the shot in the testicles to Moran who was actually injured rather than speculation to what could have happened to the Cork player ? Your famous Tommy was the expert on helmet interference as he perfected it."
unfortunately both during the game and now in its aftermath Owens ......after what he did today with the CCC I doubt we will see him again on the inter county panel

PaudieSull1 (Down) - 15/08/2017 21:21:28    2033890

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Spot on, if he saw it & implemented the rule Cork would have been playing v 14 from early on. The fact that he saw it & didn't act shows he is not up to the standard & after tonight's decision, nor are the CCCC."
O come on Galway man do not leave your great county down with bias. When it was Tadgh the rules were the rules and must be followed. Most posters. The linesman and officials have the call and their report must stand. Now when the rule says if the referee sees it o.k. (as is what occurred exactly with your man) there can be no further action we must ignore the rules. If his decision is correct is another debate.
Philip Mahony heard the ref saying get up, tie you strap, nothing here. He would now have to lie to reverse his decision. He is also not allowed review video but again the media playing its part by slowing down the action and guess what was the picture on rte site. The tail end of the slowed down video. I know of one sport where they look at slowed down video but take in to account actual speed.

Canuck (Waterford) - 15/08/2017 21:26:44    2033898

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Should James Owens be suspended.. Really that's a matter for James Owens? I have no particular interest in witnessing the event.

Laois76 (Laois) - 15/08/2017 21:51:36    2033909

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Replying To Canuck:  "O come on Galway man do not leave your great county down with bias. When it was Tadgh the rules were the rules and must be followed. Most posters. The linesman and officials have the call and their report must stand. Now when the rule says if the referee sees it o.k. (as is what occurred exactly with your man) there can be no further action we must ignore the rules. If his decision is correct is another debate.
Philip Mahony heard the ref saying get up, tie you strap, nothing here. He would now have to lie to reverse his decision. He is also not allowed review video but again the media playing its part by slowing down the action and guess what was the picture on rte site. The tail end of the slowed down video. I know of one sport where they look at slowed down video but take in to account actual speed."
Canuck - two things, firstly it's now irrelevant as decision is made and gleeson will play so time to move on in that regard but secondly for Owens to say tie up your helmet shows a shocking disregard for what gleeson did...another inch and Meade could have lost an eye, we need to stop minimising tampering with helmets.....the full face guard was introduced to stop serious eye injury and tampering with them is dangerous, full stop while 90% of time no serious injury occurs what will the likes of you say when an eye is lost or seriously damaged........very concerning that a senior inter county ref has such disregard for safety of players and just illustrates how poor a ref Owens is

PaudieSull1 (Down) - 15/08/2017 22:15:06    2033922

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