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If you're torturing yourself in tough training sessions 3/4 nights a week, rising with the sun in the morning to get your early session in, eating food that a rabbit would turn it's nose up at and sacrificing your social life for 10 months of the year THEN you have enough hunger. You wouldn't do this if you didn't crave success. And when the chips are down in the last 10 you will look back on all of this work and it will spur you on more to win. The Dubs certainly don't lack it. If they did then they wouldn't be in the panel.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 08/08/2017 17:59:14
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At first I only suspected, but now I'm certain.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:210 - 08/08/2017 16:44:53 2031158
Ha. Believe in your spoof fairy tales if you want bud.
Having the hunger or desire for something is useless without hard graft and a little talent.
You might think believing in magical unicorns is the way to go but the rest of us will live in the real world.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 08/08/2017 18:54:46
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Replying To MesAmis: "At first I only suspected, but now I'm certain.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:210 - 08/08/2017 16:44:53 2031158
Ha. Believe in your spoof fairy tales if you want bud.
Having the hunger or desire for something is useless without hard graft and a little talent.
You might think believing in magical unicorns is the way to go but the rest of us will live in the real world." The real world.....you probably also believe the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth as well I'd wager based on your beliefs.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04
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The real world.....you probably also believe the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth as well I'd wager based on your beliefs.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 08/08/2017 20:23:26
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Replying To MesAmis: "The real world.....you probably also believe the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth as well I'd wager based on your beliefs.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/08/2017 20:40:33
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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:210 - 08/08/2017 16:44:53 2031158
Ha. Believe in your spoof fairy tales if you want bud.
Having the hunger or desire for something is useless without hard graft and a little talent.
You might think believing in magical unicorns is the way to go but the rest of us will live in the real world." The real world.....you probably also believe the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth as well I'd wager based on your beliefs."
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 08/08/2017 20:41:25
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Replying To Iamlegion666: " Replying To MesAmis: "The real world.....you probably also believe the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth as well I'd wager based on your beliefs.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts."
if hunger is as defining as you and others make out, tell me how mayo with 0 all irelands in 66 years, have taken dublin (who've won 3 all ireland in 4 years and only lost 1 of their last 40 games) to a replay in 2015 and 2016 and yet in the last 10 minutes in the 4 games haven't beaten dublin? you would assume mayo would be more motivated having lost 7 finals in a row ?
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 08/08/2017 21:06:15
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Replying To Iamlegion666: " Replying To MesAmis: "The real world.....you probably also believe the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth as well I'd wager based on your beliefs.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts."
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 08/08/2017 21:09:17
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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts."
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/08/2017 21:33:26
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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts."
if hunger is as defining as you and others make out, tell me how mayo with 0 all irelands in 66 years, have taken dublin (who've won 3 all ireland in 4 years and only lost 1 of their last 40 games) to a replay in 2015 and 2016 and yet in the last 10 minutes in the 4 games haven't beaten dublin? you would assume mayo would be more motivated having lost 7 finals in a row ?"]I actually did answer this, check back my posts and while you're at that, think about why you are calling successful sportspeople liars? I'm guessing its something personal(jealously of lack of ambition)
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/08/2017 21:34:47
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It's one of those self confirming clichés. They won because they had the will to win.
How do you win? By having the will to win.
How do you know you have the will to win? By winning.
How do you win? By having the will to win...
Of course it's a total coincidence that the fittest, most hard working, skillful teams all have the greatest will to win as well.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 08/08/2017 22:32:05
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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts."
I don't think he's gonna get it though.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 08/08/2017 22:35:51
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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:214 - 08/08/2017 21:34:47 2031318
You really are struggling with this.
When you get to the top, or near the top, hunger, passion, desire et al are completely rundundant. They helped get you there but they won't help you beat your opponent because your opponent has them in spades.
If you're in a big game and think that your hunger to win will be the deciding factor in beating your top level opponent then you're living in the land of fairy tales.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 08/08/2017 22:40:10
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Replying To CastleBravo: "It's one of those self confirming clichés. They won because they had the will to win.
How do you win? By having the will to win.
How do you know you have the will to win? By winning.
How do you win? By having the will to win...
Of course it's a total coincidence that the fittest, most hard working, skillful teams all have the greatest will to win as well." Great post and bang on.
Of course some will disagree.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 08/08/2017 22:43:22
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Replying To waynoI: "When the game is in the melting pot, Tyrone's hunger to win will see them over the line against Dublin, They will want it more.
The gist of *some* comments from posters on here. The gist of comments from so called experts in the lead up to this game and probably Kerry v Mayo aswell.
Nonsense... A rubbish cliché. Drives me bananas.
IF Hunger/motivation was the difference between the winning and losing of a close, tight game, Surely to god Mayo's 66 year wait for an all Ireland would have ended ? They are ravenous. I've never seen a team want an all Ireland more than them, or their fans and yet, they haven't yet got over the line.
In the last 10 minutes of a close game the winning team will usually:
A) get a bit of luck in terms of a refereeing decision/break of a ball falling their way leading up to a score or two
B) produce a moment of class/produce a bit of skill that opens up the play resulting in a decisive score
C) Have that little bit more composure to see the game out when they get that score
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D) All of the above.
If you look at Dubins record in the last 10 minutes of games under JG excluding Donegal in 2014 as we were resoundingly beaten, We haven't lost any of the close games we've been involved in. (Kerry+Mayo 2013) (Mayo x2, Kerry 2015) (Kerry, Mayo x2 2016). Weve had to dig deep, Not once could our hunger/attitude be questioned and yet consistently, people claim Dublin may lack a bit of motivation because weve achieved a lot lately. Will we want it if its close in the dying stages, Well, the evidence is there. We haven't lost close games even if we've been blessed in a few.
A teams motivation/drive comes from within. Mayos motivation to get them over the line is winning it for the first time in 66 years. Tyrones will be to win it for the first in almost a decade. Kerry will always be motivated, theyre Kerry, Dublins will be to win a third in a row, To cement their place in history.
Winning teams across all sports are seriously driven to keep on achieving. Why are Dublin questioned ? They keep going to the well time and again. Same way Kilkenny have kept going to the well under Cody.
A time will come when the life cycle of a teams dominance will come to an end, but that's just a natural regression that happens. It absolutely does not represent a lack of hunger and frankly, I find it insulting on BOTH teams to suggest that it is.
Youre taking away from a winning teams efforts by saying the loser didn't have the motivation, and you are also questioning the character of the losers who've lost an epic battle cause of one or more of the reasons listed above. It doesn't come down to hunger. It just doesn't lads.
If Tyrone beat Dublin, If Mayo beat Kerry, Whoever wins sam from here, It wont be because of who wants it more. That's not how sport works. It comes down to who gets the breaks in a tight game. Who gets the bit of luck, what players stand up in the moment and make themselves legends.
Look at the reaction at the full time whistle on Sunday of Noel McGrath, Sprawled out devastated. A guy who has won the biggest battle of his life. A guy who has won multiple all Irelands, And don't tell me he wasn't hungry to win that game. He was devastated.
So, over to you Tyrone, Your turn to try knock us off our pearch, which youre more than capable of doing. If youre going to beat us, and it may well happen (I'm confident it wont, but wouldn't shock me if you did), It wont be down to a lack of hunger on our part, itll have to be an outstanding effort from an excellent team." Hardwork will never beat talent if talent works hard, true but meaningless with all the other variables that come into play in every game. Your right this hunger lark is crackers drives me mad as well, or don't start on the - you make your own luck!!!
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 08/08/2017 22:50:12
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I am legion is on the wind up I think.
Whammo, castlebravo, arock and Mes have pretty much nailed this.
To sum it up... X will win because they have more hunger than y is a load of bo******
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 08/08/2017 22:56:12
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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts."
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 08/08/2017 23:16:58
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Replying To waynoI: "I am legion is on the wind up I think.
Whammo, castlebravo, arock and Mes have pretty much nailed this.
To sum it up... X will win because they have more hunger than y is a load of bo******" Was actually a lot easier than I thought, lol. Last time I book a random week day off work, I get up to to much mischief and the fish bite easy.
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/08/2017 23:17:44
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Replying To Iamlegion666: "Was actually a lot easier than I thought, lol. Last time I book a random week day off work, I get up to to much mischief and the fish bite easy." Wow.
A week off work and this is your best idea of type of mischief to be getting up to?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 08/08/2017 23:22:49
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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:211 - 08/08/2017 19:13:04 2031
Sad.
I believe that preparation, ability and a bit of luck are more important in top level sport than some abstract notion of 'being hungry'.
You on the other hand prefer to believe in fairy tales about players wanting it more than their opponents.
I love the way you seem to think that me relying on a logical view of the world makes me more likely to be a Trump supporter than you won seems to believe in such spoofery nonsense.
Says a lot about you bud." Interesting, every high level professional sportsman and women from every sport has stated that hunger and drive are what make them successful and yet you for some strange reason think your feelings on the matter are more valid to the discussion. I think you used the word sad to describe the wrong person, but I wouldn't expect anything less from your posts."
Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 08/08/2017 23:27:59
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