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Did Jonny Cooper dive?

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Replying To 2setsofrules:  "Whether you agree with it or not, diving is an established element of club and county football. What annoys me more than the diving is the inconsistent media and public reaction to specific diving incidents. For example these quotes can be attributed to the Sunday Game:
Cooper dive- 'nothing incident'
O'Shea (repeat offender) dive against Fermanagh- 'he felt the contact'
Tiernan McCann dive- 'he should issue a public apology'

There also seems to be a belief that some dives are worse than others. A dive is a dive. The outcome of the dive may differ, but it's still cheating. What we need is a consistent approach to tackle diving."
I think that's a fair point to be honest. It DOES seem that some counties and players are seen as fair game for criticism while others are above it. Tyrone over the past few years DO have a case at being singled out unfairly and you CAN see why they are pi**ed off at times.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 08/08/2017 01:04:57    2030739

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Replying To waynoI:  "why would he comment on a 'nothing incident' (your words)"
In my opinion there was nothing in it BUT I don't get paid to say this. Ciaran Whelan DOES and he is always struck down with the Arsene Wenger blindness when ANYTHING controversial or questionable happens involving Dublin. On the rare occasions he does.......it's always a NOTHING incident when it comes to Dublin........funny that!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 08/08/2017 01:27:14    2030745

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Look lads you have to forgive the Dublin fans for believing it was a vicious assault on cooper, there view was a bit obscured by the fact they where in Dublin 4 while the Cooper Dive took place in Dublin 3."
Oooh you are awful.......but I like you!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 08/08/2017 01:32:39    2030747

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Do all players who may/ may not have dived get a full thread or is this just another Dublin thing? IE, could this not have a been a point made on the Dublin- Monaghan thread? Was it so unique or outrageous that it needed such scrutiny?"
No it just fridge's partisan attempt to sully the name of a decent amateur gaa player in the hope that the mere hint of impropriety will create a groundswell against Cooper and will lead to Cooper being carded or worse in the upcoming semi-final. Pathetic really.

Just ask Lee Keegan :-)

dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 08/08/2017 09:02:24    2030776

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Oooh you are awful.......but I like you!"
Showing your (our) age lad!

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 08/08/2017 10:05:40    2030823

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Replying To dubdec99:  "No it just fridge's partisan attempt to sully the name of a decent amateur gaa player in the hope that the mere hint of impropriety will create a groundswell against Cooper and will lead to Cooper being carded or worse in the upcoming semi-final. Pathetic really.

Just ask Lee Keegan :-)"
Ha. If only I had the influence.
You think a ref will read what I say and influence his decisions on Cooper. Hilarious.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 08/08/2017 11:52:21    2030903

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "I think that's a fair point to be honest. It DOES seem that some counties and players are seen as fair game for criticism while others are above it. Tyrone over the past few years DO have a case at being singled out unfairly and you CAN see why they are pi**ed off at times."
Would you include my county in that Ulsterman?

Did you see the way a certain Sunday game presenter went after Donaghy last week?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/08/2017 12:03:49    2030915

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "In my opinion there was nothing in it BUT I don't get paid to say this. Ciaran Whelan DOES and he is always struck down with the Arsene Wenger blindness when ANYTHING controversial or questionable happens involving Dublin. On the rare occasions he does.......it's always a NOTHING incident when it comes to Dublin........funny that!"
To be fair Whelan wasn't asked about the Cooper incident, no more than Cooper (Gooch), wasn't asked about the Donaghy incident the previous week. It seems to be a deliberate policy on TSG not to ask panellists about contentious issues involving their own County.
I've no doubt if they did then social media and forums such as this one would be full of complaints about a Dub or a Kerryman being given a free hand on the national airwaves to defend their county man which nobody else would get.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 08/08/2017 12:39:53    2030940

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Just on the incident. Having seen the incident, Cooper goes in agressively. McManus swings an arm. Theres contact. Cooper goes down. I never mentioned yellow cards. Ive just given you what my eyes viewed.

There was contact. So to answer the opening post, Im not sure he dived as he did take a blow. How hard was it? Did Cooper feel it enough to go down holding his head? As I mentioned I seen a nothing incident in the Mayo guy where a guy ended up blood soaked.
Only McManus and Cooper can know was it enough contact.

On yellow cards. Maybe both deserved one. On another day, or another player from another team throws an arm they way McManus did its a straight red. A clear punch in the Mayo Roscommon game was given as a yellow. Ive given up on GAA rules. Its too inconsistent.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 08/08/2017 13:07:54    2030981

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Replying To Joxer:  "I can't believe anyone would say that McManus did not catch Cooper in the head area with a swinging arm."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI4T3KEgobg
have a look at it on the link and tell me when he got a slap, as usual Dublin players try to leave a mark on every play that get rid of the ball

redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 08/08/2017 13:38:08    2031009

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Replying To AHP:  "To be fair Whelan wasn't asked about the Cooper incident, no more than Cooper (Gooch), wasn't asked about the Donaghy incident the previous week. It seems to be a deliberate policy on TSG not to ask panellists about contentious issues involving their own County.
I've no doubt if they did then social media and forums such as this one would be full of complaints about a Dub or a Kerryman being given a free hand on the national airwaves to defend their county man which nobody else would get."
So Whelan has to be asked when it's a Dublin incident but doesn't have to be asked if it's an Ulster team?

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 08/08/2017 13:53:00    2031019

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "So Whelan has to be asked when it's a Dublin incident but doesn't have to be asked if it's an Ulster team?"
Exactly. Same as McGuigan saying that there was nothing in the Star incident but that Connolly was always at it. Cooper kept his mouith tightly shut. They are damned if they do or don't!

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 08/08/2017 13:59:49    2031025

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Replying To redbomb:  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI4T3KEgobg
have a look at it on the link and tell me when he got a slap, as usual Dublin players try to leave a mark on every play that get rid of the ball"
There was a time when there was no noticeable difference between the spirit football and hurling games were played in or the physicality in either game. However as we saw over the weekend and every championship in the last 10 years or more there is a huge difference now. All the biggest hits in Croke Park this weekend were in Sunday's game and yet there was no silly stuff in it. I think one of the main reasons is hurling lovers dont tolerate the type of nonsense in that clip, yet you have loads of football supporters making out Cooper done nothing wrong. He was holding his head before he even hit the ground, then lots of writhing about and an ice bag held to a place where he wasn't even touched.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 08/08/2017 14:27:01    2031044

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "So Whelan has to be asked when it's a Dublin incident but doesn't have to be asked if it's an Ulster team?"
That's the opposite of what I said. The point I made was that Whelan, and Cooper the previous week, were deliberately excluded from that part of the conversation. Not that they need to be asked before they can give an opinion.
As for the incident itself, McManus did swing an arm at Cooper, and from the replays on TSG it looked as though Cooper hit his head when he landed. That, IMO is why he needed the treatment. The defence of 'he barely hit him' or 'it wasn't much of a clip' is totally irrelevant. As has been said already striking, or ATTEMPTING to strike are both red card offences, although he probably only got the yellow for deliberately kicking the ball away well after the whistle was blown, which was also a bookable offence.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 08/08/2017 14:59:08    2031075

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Johnny dived,for the second time at least this season.End of story lads.He dived so hard the team doctor had to hold ice to the part of his head that hit the ground :)

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 08/08/2017 16:18:33    2031140

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Replying To AHP:  "That's the opposite of what I said. The point I made was that Whelan, and Cooper the previous week, were deliberately excluded from that part of the conversation. Not that they need to be asked before they can give an opinion.
As for the incident itself, McManus did swing an arm at Cooper, and from the replays on TSG it looked as though Cooper hit his head when he landed. That, IMO is why he needed the treatment. The defence of 'he barely hit him' or 'it wasn't much of a clip' is totally irrelevant. As has been said already striking, or ATTEMPTING to strike are both red card offences, although he probably only got the yellow for deliberately kicking the ball away well after the whistle was blown, which was also a bookable offence."
The whistle had been blown and McManus had kicked the ball away so Coopers only reason to go over the McManus was to get in his face and provoke a reaction. McManus hit him and Cooper went down to try and get him a yellow or maybe worse in my own opinion. Maybe Cooper was genuinely hurt but his motivation was to get McManus booked and his actions were the same. This isn't new lads, remember a Derry player exaggerating a push in 1996 to get a Monaghan player sent off.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 08/08/2017 18:46:31    2031239

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Replying To AHP:  "That's the opposite of what I said. The point I made was that Whelan, and Cooper the previous week, were deliberately excluded from that part of the conversation. Not that they need to be asked before they can give an opinion.
As for the incident itself, McManus did swing an arm at Cooper, and from the replays on TSG it looked as though Cooper hit his head when he landed. That, IMO is why he needed the treatment. The defence of 'he barely hit him' or 'it wasn't much of a clip' is totally irrelevant. As has been said already striking, or ATTEMPTING to strike are both red card offences, although he probably only got the yellow for deliberately kicking the ball away well after the whistle was blown, which was also a bookable offence."
Even a blind and deaf Dub fan would agree that if Dermot Connolly decided to put mustard on an opponents leg and started chewing on it Whelan wouldn't say a word but if an ulster player as much as sneezed on an opponent he would be all over it.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 08/08/2017 20:06:44    2031277

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Only another two weeks of this selective condemnation before we move on to the next contentious issue no doubt. Who will be next up on the chopping block?

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 08/08/2017 20:20:23    2031282

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Replying To DannyMcA:  "Only another two weeks of this selective condemnation before we move on to the next contentious issue no doubt. Who will be next up on the chopping block?"
It says it all Danny when there are more posts in this topic than the majority of topics on HS Page 1. ...

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 08/08/2017 21:21:54    2031309

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Replying To DannyMcA:  "Only another two weeks of this selective condemnation before we move on to the next contentious issue no doubt. Who will be next up on the chopping block?"
Probably any number of Tyrone players :)

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 08/08/2017 22:14:02    2031344

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